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Legal question regarding suboxone
Hi...
I hope someone can answer this question. I started the Suboxone treatment yesterday with a horrible outcome. Long story short, I ended up finding another detox location closer to my home to go through instead of the one I went to yesterday. The med office wanted me to come in on a daily basis to get my dose for the day. Mind you, I paid, up front for the pills. I got my prescription filled, then decided that I didn't want to do it that way, and came home with my prescription.
I don't need anyone writing saying that the docs do that for safety, blah blah blah. I know this. I get the reasons why they do it. My situation is different though and I'm not willing to play by their rules. Might sound bad to you, but I'm being honest. I plan on taking the pills WHEN they are needed.. only when I'm symptomatic. After a week to 10 days, I then plan on weening myself off the Suboxone. I understand that the withdrawal from that is not as bad as with Lortab. I started taking the Lortab because of kidney stones, not because I was trying to get high or party or whatever. I became physically addicted because of a medical situation.
My question is this..... can I get into any LEGAL trouble for not returning to the clinic? I did not sign anything nor was I an inpatient. The "rules" at the clinic were that I was to get the RX filled, bring it back to the clinic and let them dispense it to me daily. I just got the RX filled and drove home. I'm going to do this MY way.
I just don't want the cops showing up causing problems for me. Maybe a bit paranoid. But right now, with the way I feel, that's the last thing I need.
Thanks.
Thanks in advance.
I hope someone can answer this question. I started the Suboxone treatment yesterday with a horrible outcome. Long story short, I ended up finding another detox location closer to my home to go through instead of the one I went to yesterday. The med office wanted me to come in on a daily basis to get my dose for the day. Mind you, I paid, up front for the pills. I got my prescription filled, then decided that I didn't want to do it that way, and came home with my prescription.
I don't need anyone writing saying that the docs do that for safety, blah blah blah. I know this. I get the reasons why they do it. My situation is different though and I'm not willing to play by their rules. Might sound bad to you, but I'm being honest. I plan on taking the pills WHEN they are needed.. only when I'm symptomatic. After a week to 10 days, I then plan on weening myself off the Suboxone. I understand that the withdrawal from that is not as bad as with Lortab. I started taking the Lortab because of kidney stones, not because I was trying to get high or party or whatever. I became physically addicted because of a medical situation.
My question is this..... can I get into any LEGAL trouble for not returning to the clinic? I did not sign anything nor was I an inpatient. The "rules" at the clinic were that I was to get the RX filled, bring it back to the clinic and let them dispense it to me daily. I just got the RX filled and drove home. I'm going to do this MY way.
I just don't want the cops showing up causing problems for me. Maybe a bit paranoid. But right now, with the way I feel, that's the last thing I need.
Thanks.
Thanks in advance.
I had a great night. I was able to sleep. I did end up taking a total of 3 pills, for a total of 6mg yesterday. I was comfortable all day. I took a pill this morning at 8:00 am and I continue to feel great.
Through several back and forth conversations with another member here, My husband and I slightly revised my detox plan. I won't go into it again, but it's just a little bit shorter than the original one. By about 6 days.
I am still feeling optimistic. I see the phrase, "get out of jail free" card used a lot and maybe I was given one. I think it's still too early to tell. But as of right now, I feel like this drug, Suboxone, is in fact the miracle pill. Another strange thing for me, when I put things into perspective is the fact that just ONE of my lortab pills has MORE of the opiate in it than the THREE pills I took yesterday. Lortab has 7.5 mg of the opiate and the Sub has 2 mg per pill. I realize that there is a difference in the two drugs and their chemical make ups, but when I realized that fact, much of feelings of well being didn't really make sense. When you consider the fact that in a day I was taking up to 10 lortabs, at 7.5 mg each pill, and then cutting that opiate usage down to 6 mg PER DAY .. I should be feeling terrible.
Today is day 4. I keep waiting for the bomb to drop. So far, so good. I keep praying and asking the Lord to continue to carry me. I've been thinking so much about that poem "Footprints"... you guys know the one... I really feel like I am being carried right now. And that if there was sand, there would only be one set of footprints. I'm praising MY God like you wouldn't believe.
I'll check back later and let you know how my day ended up being.
Thanks again for all the emails and posts and support. You all are truly wonderful for your care and concern.
Through several back and forth conversations with another member here, My husband and I slightly revised my detox plan. I won't go into it again, but it's just a little bit shorter than the original one. By about 6 days.
I am still feeling optimistic. I see the phrase, "get out of jail free" card used a lot and maybe I was given one. I think it's still too early to tell. But as of right now, I feel like this drug, Suboxone, is in fact the miracle pill. Another strange thing for me, when I put things into perspective is the fact that just ONE of my lortab pills has MORE of the opiate in it than the THREE pills I took yesterday. Lortab has 7.5 mg of the opiate and the Sub has 2 mg per pill. I realize that there is a difference in the two drugs and their chemical make ups, but when I realized that fact, much of feelings of well being didn't really make sense. When you consider the fact that in a day I was taking up to 10 lortabs, at 7.5 mg each pill, and then cutting that opiate usage down to 6 mg PER DAY .. I should be feeling terrible.
Today is day 4. I keep waiting for the bomb to drop. So far, so good. I keep praying and asking the Lord to continue to carry me. I've been thinking so much about that poem "Footprints"... you guys know the one... I really feel like I am being carried right now. And that if there was sand, there would only be one set of footprints. I'm praising MY God like you wouldn't believe.
I'll check back later and let you know how my day ended up being.
Thanks again for all the emails and posts and support. You all are truly wonderful for your care and concern.
Hi there:
I hate to be the person to give you the bad news but you are very uninformed about sub.
How many lortabs were you taking daily?
IMHO if it isn't a great quantity then tapering off the lortab would have been much easier than weening off sub. Sub is a wonderful tool if you have a huge habit or are a heroin user but that is where it should stop.
You say you are taking less opiate than one lortab? Did your doctor not tell you these are two different beasts? Go to google and put in opiate and sub conversion and see what comes up. I know there are sites that do this but I think you have jumped from the frying pan into the fire unless you were on at least 20 lortab 10's a day.
I know doctors get carried away with this medicine but there are some good doctors out there and you are very wrong about your dosage. I imagine at 6mg a day you are feeling good.
I will look for the conversion site and let us know how many lortab 10's you were taking and we can hopefully help you with this.
Take care,
Jackie
I hate to be the person to give you the bad news but you are very uninformed about sub.
How many lortabs were you taking daily?
IMHO if it isn't a great quantity then tapering off the lortab would have been much easier than weening off sub. Sub is a wonderful tool if you have a huge habit or are a heroin user but that is where it should stop.
You say you are taking less opiate than one lortab? Did your doctor not tell you these are two different beasts? Go to google and put in opiate and sub conversion and see what comes up. I know there are sites that do this but I think you have jumped from the frying pan into the fire unless you were on at least 20 lortab 10's a day.
I know doctors get carried away with this medicine but there are some good doctors out there and you are very wrong about your dosage. I imagine at 6mg a day you are feeling good.
I will look for the conversion site and let us know how many lortab 10's you were taking and we can hopefully help you with this.
Take care,
Jackie
Hi I found the conversion. In order to for the lortab quantity to equal what you are now taking in sub you should have been taking at least 18 10mg hydro/lortab a day. Please get more information on sub before going any further.
Take care,
Jackie
Originally Posted By: nephro
I would like to see one of those charts.
Sorry Nephro I should not talk about it without posting the URL. My old bookmark is toast, but I found this by searching Opiate/Opioid conversion chart.
I am not sure if this is correct some look a little off and some look right. My old list was solid and for doctors to reference. This is some guy’s estimation. I'll keep looking, but for now look at this.
sorry the url was censored below is the info
#Pain Killer Equivalent Doses (Oral)
1.2mg.............Buprenorphine (Bupe)
200mg............Codeine (Tylenol 2, 3, 4, etc)
30-60mg.........Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) (orally it = morphine, IV/IM/insuffilated it's 2x as strong)
100mg............Dihydrocodeine
30mg..............Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Lorcet, etc)
7.5mg.............Hydromorphone (Dilaudid)
37.5µg............Fentanyl (not sure on this one, anyone know the oral dose equivalence for Fentanyl?)
4mg................Levorphanol (Dromoran)
300mg............Meperidine (Demerol)
10-20mg.........Methadone
30-60mg.........Morphine
20mg..............Oxycodone (Oxycontin, Percocet)
10mg..............Oxymorphone (Numorphan)
200-300mg.....Propoxyphene (Darvocet)
150mg............Tramadol (Ultram, Ultracet)
Take care,
Jackie
Originally Posted By: nephro
I would like to see one of those charts.
Sorry Nephro I should not talk about it without posting the URL. My old bookmark is toast, but I found this by searching Opiate/Opioid conversion chart.
I am not sure if this is correct some look a little off and some look right. My old list was solid and for doctors to reference. This is some guy’s estimation. I'll keep looking, but for now look at this.
sorry the url was censored below is the info
#Pain Killer Equivalent Doses (Oral)
1.2mg.............Buprenorphine (Bupe)
200mg............Codeine (Tylenol 2, 3, 4, etc)
30-60mg.........Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) (orally it = morphine, IV/IM/insuffilated it's 2x as strong)
100mg............Dihydrocodeine
30mg..............Hydrocodone (Vicodin, Lorcet, etc)
7.5mg.............Hydromorphone (Dilaudid)
37.5µg............Fentanyl (not sure on this one, anyone know the oral dose equivalence for Fentanyl?)
4mg................Levorphanol (Dromoran)
300mg............Meperidine (Demerol)
10-20mg.........Methadone
30-60mg.........Morphine
20mg..............Oxycodone (Oxycontin, Percocet)
10mg..............Oxymorphone (Numorphan)
200-300mg.....Propoxyphene (Darvocet)
150mg............Tramadol (Ultram, Ultracet)
I am sorry I didn't see where you posted you were taking 10 7.5's daily. You should then only be taking at the most 2.5mg of sub daily and thats at the high end.
My other advice about sub is do a quick taper down to the lowest dose you can take and jump. You will still have w/d's but the physical part will be better. The malaise and depression will unfortunately still be there.
I am sorry this isn't better news but it is better to know what you are up against.
Take care,
Jackie
My other advice about sub is do a quick taper down to the lowest dose you can take and jump. You will still have w/d's but the physical part will be better. The malaise and depression will unfortunately still be there.
I am sorry this isn't better news but it is better to know what you are up against.
Take care,
Jackie
Keep trying....I would do the same thing you are.....
Remember less is more with Sub....I'm telling you take a half of a 2 mg pill....You will be surprised how much like a full one it is.....
Getting off Sub was real real hard for me .....So be careful..
Less is more..
Remember less is more with Sub....I'm telling you take a half of a 2 mg pill....You will be surprised how much like a full one it is.....
Getting off Sub was real real hard for me .....So be careful..
Less is more..
Hi again everyone....
so much negativity. Kinda depressing I managed yesterday to take only the 2 pills. So a total of 4 mg of the Sub. I had a comfortable day. It's almost 11 am here and I have yet to take a pill today. So, for me, my plan is working. I am very comfortable and still weening off the meds. I have my schedule up on the fridge and am sticking to. Every person is different and we'll see what happens. Maybe I will have to eat crow in the end, but right now, i'm feeling optimistic about how all of this is going to turn out.
so much negativity. Kinda depressing I managed yesterday to take only the 2 pills. So a total of 4 mg of the Sub. I had a comfortable day. It's almost 11 am here and I have yet to take a pill today. So, for me, my plan is working. I am very comfortable and still weening off the meds. I have my schedule up on the fridge and am sticking to. Every person is different and we'll see what happens. Maybe I will have to eat crow in the end, but right now, i'm feeling optimistic about how all of this is going to turn out.
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