Methadone

[ginsu710]

Can Methadone be passed/excreted through body fluids on to another person resulting in that person experencing some of the side effects of the drug?

[CASEY]

Sorry to break in but I have an urgent question. My son detoxed from heroin. His veins are all collapsed so even getting an IV into him was impossible. Now he has bruises on his neck. Is it likely that he is shooting up in his neck? What should I look for or am I just being paranoid. Thanks.

[pammie2470]

Yep!!!

[skipper]

GET THIS KID (IF HE IS UNDER LEGAL ADULTHOOD INTO THE FIST DETOX,TREATMENT CENTER, OR BEST YET ADOLESENT MENTLE HEALTH UNIT
YOU CAN!!!
i shot dope for almost 15 years and never would do a shot in my neck. i've used my feet, hands, arms ,and legs to shoot up- but never my neck. if you can examine the bruised areas and look for
small puncture marks (tracks). if the rest of his veins have already given out you surely know what that process looked like
while it was happening. IF YOUR SON ISN'T SHOOTIN UP, THEN HE IS
UP TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS AS SELF DESTRUCTIVE!!! IF YOU HAVE TO,
THROW A NET OVER THIS KID AND GET HIM CONFINED IN A PLACE WHERE
THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S UP TOO!

I don't like to sound like a hard ass or Mr. tough love, but some-
thing is real wrong here. DON'T DELAY, THIS IS REAL SERIOUS WHAT
EVER HE'S UP TOO.
SKIPPER

[CASEY]

Thanks for your quick and heartfelt response.  He is nineteen so out of my legal control. He won't let me get close to his neck to see and he wears longsleeved, hooded sweatshrts in 80 degree, humid Seattle weather. I have made an appointment with an MD today and hope to get him there. He lives in the city and is hard to get ahold of  but will continue.  He claims that the bruises are from horseplay, wrestling and that he now bruises easily. I don't believe much anymore but feel pretty powerless. I go to Alanon all the time and pray for the best. thanks for your concern. If I ever get a straight answer, I will post. thanks, Casey

[skipper]

check in on your states laws for emotional health & substance.
abuse commitment laws. sadly i know (it happened to me) that in
Minnesota all it takes is a MD and a family memeber along with a
willing judge. i now live in Nebraska & it's real easy to commit family members for a 72 hour hold. this may be enough time for a
Dr. to figure out what is going on. maybe someone in your alanon group knows the details about getting a family member comitted.
good luck & don't give up
kip

[cindi]

I have to wholeheartedly agree with skipper, all though I never did heroin, I shot my body full of demerol and a bunch of other stuff...my hands, legs etc.  my excuse for all the bruising I had was the same, horse play, and since I worked nights I said I would bump into a patients bed in the middle of the night..every excuse under the sun...hooded sweats in the 80 degree weather...good luck to you my dear......LOve to all  cin

[ginsu710]

Being a recovering herion addict,having used IV drugs for 17 yrs., I can only say that while it IS possible to stop using nobody can make your son stop except him, and although it does sound like the bruises may be from injecting drugs only a doctor who sees them should make a diognosis.I, in the past, have tried cleaning up for everyone in my life but untill I did it for me it did'nt work.I wish the best for your son and yourself and If there is anything I can help you with I would be more then happy to do what I can.Stay positive and keep going to your meetings.
12 step meetings and counsling are a huge part of my recovery and recomend them greatly....sincerly, ginsu710 :o)

[CASEY]

It was very generous of you to respond to my dilemma when I had broken into your thread. Hope you got the info you needed.  Your words that you had "cleaned up for everyone else" but it didn't work until it was for you is word verbatim from my son. I know that coercion won't work for him so I just have to be prepared for if and when he will do rehab. Until then, I will try to keep him alive and let him know I love him. Your message was timely. I was losing track of my purpose and had started to give him ultimatums. That only makes him go more underground and reactive rather than feel safe to address the problem. I don't want to become part of his stressors, just his supporter. Thanks for the reminder.  Casey

[cindi]

Hey guys,,,I am very worried about Kerrie,  she has not posted here in quite some time and i have not had any e-mail from her....has anyone else?  If you hear from her let me know....I know she has not been too well lately and I am concerned..Love you guys    cin

[Thomas]

I know her daughter's in some kind of drug-related trouble with the law. That might be distracting her. Unfortunately, I don't have her direct address or I'd write her. Hope you're doing OK, by the way. Always good to read your posts.

Thomas

[jennyfla]

Hey girl,
She posted to me last week, i believe.
She was full of support and such a sweetheart.
I hope she is ok too.  Boy it's tough out here, that's why we all have to stick together.  You're a sweetie for being concerned and caring enough to shout of concern post!
Hope you have your house sparkling clean!!!!
Lv Jenny

[skipper]

jennyfla: it's old broken record kip again.THERE IS A WAY THRU THIS FOR JENNY!!!! I'M 50- IVE BEEN ON AND OFF DRUGS AT LEAST AS
LONG AS YOU (PROBABLY MUCH LONGER).SOME 16 YEARS AGO MY WIFE LOST
HER FATHER TO LUNG CANCER. THEY SAW IT ON CHEST X-RAY, SENT HIM TO
THE ONCOLOGY CLINIC, HAD ONE RADIATION TREATMENT AND DIED. THE WHOLE PROCESS TOOK ABOUT 2 WEEKS. I WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD HER HE WAS GONE. 6 MOUNTHS LATER I GOT TO TELL HER THE FATHER OF MY STEP-SON BLEW A HOLE THROUGH HIS HEAD IN THE BASEMENT OF HIS GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE.BEING THE DELIVERY BOY OF ALL THIS BAD NEWS
REALLY PUT ME THROUGH SOME CHANGES, I CAN ONLY SPECULATE HOW BAD
IT WAS FOR HER! THE ONLY THING I TOLD HER WAS THAT THERE WAS A WAY
THROUGH THIS STUFF. I DIDN;T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT I KNEW WE WOULD
FIND IT TOGATHER. AND WE DID!
jenny i've only been posting on this forum for several mounths, but it's saved my life. the people who turn the bad stuff around,
are the ones who "jump in and share the stuff thats keeping them
sick.This old junky NEEDS to hear that kind of stuff to stay clean, get redemption, find recovery. some one was there for me
and now it's my turn to be here for you or any other addict, stoned or straight.THERE IS A WAY THROUGH, AND WE WILL FIND IT!
keep it simple-concentrate on whats most directly in front of you.
My concerns are also very much the same as others, either get off the booze or the oxy. if you don't you may end up carrying your liver around in a wheel-barrow or worse. i value the things you've brought to this forum. It wouuld be a loss to everyone on this
forum if for any reasion jennyfla went away or just fell silent
and was never heard from again. the strength that you share when
you are growing, gives me what i need most of all!
be real careful, we all need each other!
kip

[jule1]

First of all thank you for your words of wisdom.  I am having a hard time with the guilt of being an addict.  I feel like I am a good mom but not the best I can be.  Now about seizures I told you I had one from taking too much Ultram and now while I am weaning off I want to work out again but I am afraid that might cause another seizure does anyone know about that Bless you all!  Cindi, are you home yet?  I hope you had a wonderful time

[Thomas]

let me put it this way, not too long ago, if I had been the babysitter's "boyfriend," I'd have been into your medicine cabinet before your car made it out of the driveway. Besides, she just wants to have a date and get paid for it. Obviously, I say thumbs down on the boyfriend. I don't know if I'd even use anyone who asked. 141/2 isn't a problem in itself. It comes down to the individual. Glad you're getting out, though. My son is 24 now, so he's got his own babysitter now.

Hope there's some joy in your life these days ... you know I care.

Your Friend,

Thomas

[Thomas]

I didn't know jenny was mixing alcohol with narcs. God, that's a bad idea! My understanding is that, normally, say, a Vicodin would break down slowly and as it entered your blood stream your liver would be working to filter it out. Thus, the whole pill's worth of hydro is never in your bloodstream at one time. With alcohol present, your liver in some way "concentrates" on filtering out the alcohol and ignores whatever drug you've taken, causing a potentially fatal build-up in the circulatory system. I didn't get this from a doctor, but the source has been pretty reliable concerning this kind of information. Talk to most ER docs and they'll tell you most OD's they get involve alcohol, regardless of what the other drug is. I hope she reads this and it scares her enough to reach out locally for help. I also pray that she's OK. It would kill me if anything happened to her ...

[susanlea]

Jenny you will be ok. I know just how you feel, not really sure how he's going to be when he gets home. It's very scary. You know the dangers mixing alcohol with the pills. If this was me what would you say? What would you tell me to do? What would you say about my boys? You have all the answers right inside you. You know what you need to do for you and your kids. Don't worry about your husband, he's in a safe place and  just where he needs to be. Like Cindi said, take one day at a time. If you can I want you to go buy this book "Courage to Change". I got it at an Al-Anon meeting, and it's keep me focused and it's given me peace. Find out what you need to make you happy. We get so used to all the stress and chaos in our lives that when it's gone, we actually miss it! We don't know what to do with ourselves. Please go to an Al-Anon meeting, listen, share if you like, believe me this will help. You have my number if you need to talk....I am always here.....Bless you my sweet friend....Love Susan

[jennyfla]

Feeling a bit lost tonight, trying to fight off an anxiety attack.  I don't do well on my own, i've never really been alone in my life.  Only the 1-month period when my husband was in rehab last time around.  How could i feel alone, he calls constantly (collect!) lol!
He is addicted to methadone and oxys, and he is determined to detox in 5-days.  I don't see how it's possible.  The dr wanted to do it in 9-days, but he wants them out of his system asap, the fastest they are out, the more time he has to heal in the 28-days.
he feel apart when i told him that our 8-year old said 'hi' to him as if he were still here.  She was playing, but they miss him very much.
i was sorry i told him that.
My kids are keeping me real busy, but my workday drags and i think too much.
i can't seem to fend off the withdrawals, so i'm still using :(
what am i going to do, i have to be clean by the time he returns.
I seem to need the drugs and alcohol more than ever right now, i don't feel very strong.
I know i need some meetings, and plan to go once my husband returns.  I can't face them alone.  I'm really pretty shy, although no where near as bad as i once was.  i was painfully shy at one time.  I even had trouble walking down the street alone.
I'm 100x better know, but i used to suffer so very very very much for over half of my life.  one day, i just started to snap out of it, it was strange, but i'm still alittle shy.
Anyway, i do know that i need some counseling very badly.. maybe i can find some soon.
My husband told me something very very disturbing yesterday, something about his mom...  Both his parents (his dad is deceased) were incredibly abusive to him both mentally and physically, and mentally is some very disturbing ways.  He told me something that is very very deep, and i can't believe that i've known this man for 20-years and he never told me... i can't help but feel so sorry for all the pain he must have inside.  No wonder the poor thing is so screwed up... i love him with all my heart and only wish that one day, he was rise above all the pain he has inside, and start to live for himself and learn to accept things for what they are, and make the most out of life for himself.
It tears me up inside!!!!!!
It's been such an emotional time lately, just a bit more than i am able to cope with, and i am a strong person.
I can only pray and hope that he will find strength, and i will try with all i have to help guide him to the proper spots, and try not to make things worse for him.
Keep up in your prayers.
Lv Jenny

[wildcat]

Jennyfla,

You wrote some very deep thoughts and feelings. I hope it made you feel better to get it out. I know it does for me. You seem strong and holding in there.

PLEASE- Don't mix the booze with the drugs. It may kill you accidently. You don't want your husband to go through all this pain and have your children and him left in a mind meltdown.

Alcohol cannot mix with most drugs except maybe plain aspirin and a little advil, but that's about it. Any sedative type drugs mixed are too powerful and maybe you can get away with it one time but your body might be a little different the next. Please don't play with both together!!!!!!!!

I'll be praying for you and everyone else in this forum. We always needs God's, or our HP'S help to keep us strong. Just ask for the strength and you will feel it flow into you almost instantly. And keep the channel to your HP open almost as if you are talking to him there while you are lonely. He will comfort you. Take care, luv to you all,

wildcat

[jennyfla]

Thank you for being here!
I actually sleep with the bible right next to my bed, and thank you for reminding me that just by talking to god and asking for his strength, i will get a sense of relief.  I've felt it before, i just get tired of asking...
I need to get focused, real focused.  I'm not taking anything for anxiety right now, it's mainly the pain pills.  I don't take enough to do much damage, i've maintained a pretty low dose considering.  
I'm going to beat this thing even if it kills me (just kidding!)
Thank you for your support!  :)
Lv Jenny

[skipper]

i'll keep repeating mysef. there is a way thru all of this! just
concentrate on the problems in front of you. having trouble sleeping tonight myself.
kip

[Milo]

Keep hanging in there, Jenny! I know what a kind person you are, & unfortunately being kind & caring about others makes us vulnerable to the kind of pain you're going through now. For your husband to tell you what he did about his parents shows great courage & trust, and just the fact that he's finally able to share it wit someone else is a good sign. Don't feel bad that he kept it secret for so long. Child abuse of any kind prduces deep feelings of shame, and affects people in ways they may not even be aware of for decades to come, their whole life if they don't do something about it. It sounds like you both are committed to making serious changes, and I *know* you have the strength to do it even though it feels overwhelming right now. Like Skipper (a wise person) says, focus on taking care of the kids & yourself *now*, & being there for your husband. Of course it would be great if you were off everything by the time he comes home -- but you're in an intensely stressful situation right now, and it just may be too hard for you to completely detox while dealing with all of this. Don't put too much pressure on yourself. You know what you're capable of doing, and you don't have to do more than that. Do what you can, & let yourself feel good about that. Just doing what you're doing right now takes a hell of a lot of strength, courage, & will, & I'll be the first to say I admire you for it!
PS Thanks for sharing that you used to be so shy & still are in some situations. I'm the same way. It helps me to know I'm not the only one! -- Your friend, Milo

[Wizard]

My dear friend you ARE stronger than you think! I have to agree with wildcat about mixing the booze with the "Dragon"...that's a really BAD combo. At this point with so much going on AND so much to lose PLEASE, PLEASE GIRL, at the very least pick one or the other. I've seen your picture and and have read your posts and e-mails to me, and I don't want the world to lose such inner AND outer beauty! Your children need you, your husband needs you and YOU need you to be with us for a very long, long time! When the "Dragon" calls the hardest dear, you REACH for that Bible on the stand. You hold it close to your heart and know that I am praying for you at that very moment to open it and consume just a little passage instead of a swig of alcohol. Remember...One or the Other....Not both....We love you very much Jenny...very, very much....stay with us as we will stay with you. God Bless you and your family. You are in my thoughts and Prayers.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
luv Wiz

[Wizard]

Hey Dorothy, the last I heard from Kerrie was a few days ago when she posted to me here. She said she tried to write me but the e-mail came back and she thought she had my wrong address. The one she posted was right though and I posted mine for her again but she hasn't responded. Kerrie, if you see this here it is again   ***@****   Thomas is right about her daughter. I know she has her hands full right now. I don't have her e-mail address or I'd try to get to her that way also. If you get before me let me know. i have to run to my Doc appt. now I'll check in with you all later.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Peace & Light on us all,
luv Wiz

[cindi]

dear sweet Jenny,  You remind me sooo very much of me...Jesus, it's like looking into a mirror...I feel not only for you but with you....I, myself have never been alone...so I don't know what I would do in your situation....but this I can say to you.....It has taken me a very long time to realize we are NEVER alone...even though we have our kids, our parents, friends, but yet it still seems we are alone...but we also have ourselves and we have the most important...God...I hate to keep bringing up the subject of my mom because this is not about her and I right now, It is about you, and in no way do I want to take the focus off of you, but I want to share what I have learned since her death...I had lost my faith,  I was angry at God, and I still am...but I have learned it is ok to be angry, it is ok to be afraid.  that is human nature to fear the unknown...and this is what you seem to be feeling,,what will tomorrow bring...the sun will shine and the birds will sing, and we will go on.but you can't see that right now,,,the days have no beginning and no end,,,there may be no light at the end of the tunnel for you but from what I am getting out of your post is you still have your faith.  we, all of us here can see that, and we can see that you are stronger than you think...we never give ourselves enough credit...when I learned my mom had died, I myself thought I would never make it myself...I thought I was going to have a meltdown right then and there but I had to muster up the strength for my kids, my gramma and my sister...and I did it...it was not easy but I did it. you need to muster up all of your strength for your kids and your husband but also for yourself...you will need every ounce you can get...if you have access to something for your anxiety..why not take it?  anxiety, believe it or not is not a good thing..it can cause problems all in itself.  I cannot stress enough the importance of taking care of you first and foremost...so you can be ok,,,right now you have to hold your family together....you have those beautiful kids and a husband who obviously wants to save his life and his marriage.  One day at a time, one minute or even one second at a time if need  be....REMEMBER, YOU ARE NEVER ALONE... Keep a journal,,writing is very therapeutic and cathartic.   share your feelings wit yourself or someone close to you...call me on the phone if you have to I can e mail you with my number..send me mail, write to the forum  write your husband a letter,  tell him everything you have told us...share your feelings with hime...wheter or not your actually give it to him or not is up to you but just writing it can help you....keep posting here,  we are your family and we care....that is the greatest thing about this place...we love each other and care about each other..I hope I have not babbled too much..actually I think I did but..if you have not gained one ounce of something from this at least it killed a few minutes.....feel better and keep busy    love to you and all   cin

[cindi]

Hi Thomas.  It is nice to hear from you...are you doing ok?  Keeping busy?  I have been so busy since getting home from Florida..Celebrated my 8th wedding anniversay the other day and we are planning to go out this weekend but my babysitter all of a sudden "grew up "  LOL so I have to get a new sitter...which makes me nervous but I can't stay home forever.....do you think that 14 1/2 years old is too young to sit?  I started babysitting when I was 12 but that was a bazillion years ago and times have certainly changed...these kids just come right and ask if they can bring the boyfriends ect. to babysit..I said absolutely not...do you think I am wrong?  I am just not comfortable with the boyfriend thing...anyway,,,,I just wanted to say Hi,  catch up with ya later tater   Love cin