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This is another open forum, but I have to say one thing.
If there is an Asteroid hitting the earth anytime within the next 20 years, then you better damn well believe I'm consuming all the drugs I want!!
I mean come on, wasn't the movie scary enough, why does this have to be a real threat.
If there is an Asteroid hitting the earth anytime within the next 20 years, then you better damn well believe I'm consuming all the drugs I want!!
I mean come on, wasn't the movie scary enough, why does this have to be a real threat.
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Multivitamin
5-HTP
L-tyrosine
extra B supplement
KavaJohn (has KavaKava and St. John's Wort)
now after looking these up, some of these have the same effect. Should I not take one of these? Don't want to overdo it on herbs because I heard it can be harmful.
Please respond ASAP - good news, I called my Doc to get me in early, and I am seeing him tomorrow! Am very excited and extremely anxious!
Thanks again. You guys have been great!
Koalabear
Multivitamin
5-HTP
L-tyrosine
extra B supplement
KavaJohn (has KavaKava and St. John's Wort)
now after looking these up, some of these have the same effect. Should I not take one of these? Don't want to overdo it on herbs because I heard it can be harmful.
Please respond ASAP - good news, I called my Doc to get me in early, and I am seeing him tomorrow! Am very excited and extremely anxious!
Thanks again. You guys have been great!
Koalabear
OH MY GOD!!! I just read this entire thread and I think I blew out a few million brain cells-heres why--About 7 years ago I woke up one morning and felt really bad,(flu symptoms).The next day I woke up and did nothing but throw up from both ends,the 3rd day I had alot of trouble sleeping and felt like I was going to die..my wife called a doctor that made house calls. He came over and prescribed some antibiotics.I'm allergic to penicillin which is what he gave me.later that day I started hallucinating and other fun brain tricks,very very body sore.This went on for a couple more days,so I threw out the antibiotics.Here is the part that blew my brain cells... I just realised that in those 5 or 6 days I did'nt have any codeine..those were withdrawal symptoms..and worst of all..now I know what I'm going to have to go through ...AGAIN!! Now I'm scared shitless--should I,,should'nt I,,I know I have to but now the unknown is known,HOW do you people do it again and again? Is it really harder each time? In what way is it harder? WHOA now I'm really scared!!
may you all live long and prosper
may you all live long and prosper
Hi ww- Have meant to write to you for sometime now to see how you are doing. Have missed seeing you post so I was quite tickled to log on and see your moniker up here! Hope all is well with you and in your life.
Welcome to everyone new here recently. I've been around here for awhile, just not posting much lately, life on life's terms has kept me really busy lately.
Blessings to you all.
IR
Welcome to everyone new here recently. I've been around here for awhile, just not posting much lately, life on life's terms has kept me really busy lately.
Blessings to you all.
IR
That was so perfect Phaedrus. If I had seen that before my kick I would not have been so scared.
O.K. Here is my w/d story.
as Phaedrus said, this is what happened w/ me, not written in stone ya know. Depends if one can put mind over matter and "suck it up" and live in the sobriety and not rest on the addiction.
day one: horrid nervousness. I was soo apprehensive not knowing whats to come I could not concentrate. I felt bad, but not THAT bad. I was O.K. until night hit. Knees ached so bad. I kept straightning my legs to get relief (w/ no relief comming) I had Benzos, but they also brought no relief. I ended up picking up at 3 a.m. So disgusted I went to an addiction Psych the next day and he perscribed me Methadone. Very low doses to help me get through the w/d part (it helped very little) I had kicked it once, but soon ended up at my normal 100mg of opiates a day for 6 years, never missing a day. I had already kicked a benzo habbit, so when I found out the little pills someone had given me to help w/ the w/d were Benzos that was what sent me over the edge to see an addiction Phsych.
a new day one: second verse, same as the first. Felt anxious and flueish all day. Thought it was bad, till night hit, and I knew it was bad. I was taking hot baths all through the night. Maybe got 1 hour of sleep, but I was so wired from the w/d I was not that tired.
2nd day. felt anxious heart was now beating irregularly and the flu really set in. These feelings came and went. I had a stack of movies but could not concentrate long enough to watch 30 mins of anything. I found little relief from these feelings but wanted to quit so bad I felt I was deserving of a little hell. Mainly worried about how bad it was going to get on the third day. which it did.
3rd day. the runs, flu, stomach cramping soo bad I really thought I had stomach ulcers. My body was playing so many tricks on me to make me pick up now, it was constant. I was just having a crappy time of it. Headaches, body aches, knees ripping in the worst pain I had felt, not to mention my stomach!! That night was the worst. More hot baths, no relief in sight, mind was really playing tricks on my now. "Just pick up those pills and sleep will come" (I did not pick up!!) I was so restless and saw no relief I found myself writing goodbye notes to everyone I had hurt. I really thought something bad was wrong but had come so far I was not going to quit this thing just yet. I was crying (also so unlike me) every bone and muscle was tired and acheing. I was beginning to think I would not make it.
Day 4: woke up feeling wired. (on 1 hour of sleep) I thought it was over! I was so excited. I was wrong. I found myself looking for w/d symptoms to find none. wooohooo...... I was wrong. The harder I looked the less I felt, but then the feelings must have been laying in wait. The anxious feelings and hear palipitations would hit hard all at once! I would almost fall down to the sudden anxioty attacks. Ya know what, the bad feelings that were lasting days now where only lasting hours. I started taking the vitamins and Immodium now and symptoms were minimized. Mind still played some tricks w/ me, my bloodpressure was high and my temper was set off by small things. Still having heasdaches and anxious feelings.
been 30 days now clean, ya know it was hell, but it ended. I was soooo tempted countless times to pick up, but did not. Made meetings (N.A. meetings) and talked on here to myself.lol.
My wife came home and I came clean. no one knew of what I was going through that week. I did it all alone and at times thought I would die, but like Phaedrus said, no one had died from opiate w/d and I just added to that statistic. Getting over the w/d is only 10% of the battle I am finding. Besides feeling extremely tired and run down I feel somewhat normal now and still think, at times that, using will be different this time,,, how dumb can a guy be?? I am a successful business man. I have a great wife and kids and a great life. I am not going to risk loseing it all over a pill. That is my reason for staying clean.
till present: I have felt pretty good, the bad days turned to bad hours, then minutes. My body still plays tricks on me begging me to use. One has to be commited and find support to get clean. Stil have trouble sleeping, and have wierd body things going on, headaches and the such, but life is so much better sober than I would have imagined.
Good luck. I hope this helps.
O.K. Here is my w/d story.
as Phaedrus said, this is what happened w/ me, not written in stone ya know. Depends if one can put mind over matter and "suck it up" and live in the sobriety and not rest on the addiction.
day one: horrid nervousness. I was soo apprehensive not knowing whats to come I could not concentrate. I felt bad, but not THAT bad. I was O.K. until night hit. Knees ached so bad. I kept straightning my legs to get relief (w/ no relief comming) I had Benzos, but they also brought no relief. I ended up picking up at 3 a.m. So disgusted I went to an addiction Psych the next day and he perscribed me Methadone. Very low doses to help me get through the w/d part (it helped very little) I had kicked it once, but soon ended up at my normal 100mg of opiates a day for 6 years, never missing a day. I had already kicked a benzo habbit, so when I found out the little pills someone had given me to help w/ the w/d were Benzos that was what sent me over the edge to see an addiction Phsych.
a new day one: second verse, same as the first. Felt anxious and flueish all day. Thought it was bad, till night hit, and I knew it was bad. I was taking hot baths all through the night. Maybe got 1 hour of sleep, but I was so wired from the w/d I was not that tired.
2nd day. felt anxious heart was now beating irregularly and the flu really set in. These feelings came and went. I had a stack of movies but could not concentrate long enough to watch 30 mins of anything. I found little relief from these feelings but wanted to quit so bad I felt I was deserving of a little hell. Mainly worried about how bad it was going to get on the third day. which it did.
3rd day. the runs, flu, stomach cramping soo bad I really thought I had stomach ulcers. My body was playing so many tricks on me to make me pick up now, it was constant. I was just having a crappy time of it. Headaches, body aches, knees ripping in the worst pain I had felt, not to mention my stomach!! That night was the worst. More hot baths, no relief in sight, mind was really playing tricks on my now. "Just pick up those pills and sleep will come" (I did not pick up!!) I was so restless and saw no relief I found myself writing goodbye notes to everyone I had hurt. I really thought something bad was wrong but had come so far I was not going to quit this thing just yet. I was crying (also so unlike me) every bone and muscle was tired and acheing. I was beginning to think I would not make it.
Day 4: woke up feeling wired. (on 1 hour of sleep) I thought it was over! I was so excited. I was wrong. I found myself looking for w/d symptoms to find none. wooohooo...... I was wrong. The harder I looked the less I felt, but then the feelings must have been laying in wait. The anxious feelings and hear palipitations would hit hard all at once! I would almost fall down to the sudden anxioty attacks. Ya know what, the bad feelings that were lasting days now where only lasting hours. I started taking the vitamins and Immodium now and symptoms were minimized. Mind still played some tricks w/ me, my bloodpressure was high and my temper was set off by small things. Still having heasdaches and anxious feelings.
been 30 days now clean, ya know it was hell, but it ended. I was soooo tempted countless times to pick up, but did not. Made meetings (N.A. meetings) and talked on here to myself.lol.
My wife came home and I came clean. no one knew of what I was going through that week. I did it all alone and at times thought I would die, but like Phaedrus said, no one had died from opiate w/d and I just added to that statistic. Getting over the w/d is only 10% of the battle I am finding. Besides feeling extremely tired and run down I feel somewhat normal now and still think, at times that, using will be different this time,,, how dumb can a guy be?? I am a successful business man. I have a great wife and kids and a great life. I am not going to risk loseing it all over a pill. That is my reason for staying clean.
till present: I have felt pretty good, the bad days turned to bad hours, then minutes. My body still plays tricks on me begging me to use. One has to be commited and find support to get clean. Stil have trouble sleeping, and have wierd body things going on, headaches and the such, but life is so much better sober than I would have imagined.
Good luck. I hope this helps.
Hi KBear,
It looks like you'll do the taper route, which I encourage if you can. I tried to taper a zillion times and failed each time. I just kept relapsing no matter how hard I tried, so I did a few cold turkey attempts and finally got through one and stayed through it.
I've been clean since last August. Somewhere in the archives is how I did it, but I'll write it out again here for your benefit.
Day 1 I felt sweaty, restless, but not too bad. By night time, I could not sleep no matter what, even with a large dose of valium. So that night I took 3 vicoprofens. I felt like a failure, but was commited to not taking any the next day.
Day 2 Felt really bad. Spent the day in the hot tub. Cried my heart out, Wrote on this forum till my fingers were blue from typing. Saw my acupuncturist. Sweat, got restless legs, skin crawling, the runs..all of it. Imodium was very helpful.
That night, still no sleep. I took 1 vicoprofen that night and was able to sleep.
Day 3 Worse day. I felt like ****. Body shakes, more gut cramps and runs, sweating like a pig, like a horrilbe flu. That night I took half a vicoprofen and was able to sleep a bit.
Day 4 I began to feel a bit better, definately through the worst of it, but still had some skin crawling, just a lot less.
that night i took half of a vicoprofen.
Day 5 much better, but at night still couldn't sleep so I took 1/4 of a vicoprofen.
Day 6 was much better, but then the lethargy hit. Moving from one room to another took more energy than I had. I got winded easily and I'm a very physical fit person. But I swallowed all my supplements and just sucked it up and got through it.
That night it was hard to sleep but I didn't have the intense restlessness so I didn't take any more vicoprofen, and haven't since. I was free. The extreme thrill at being opiate free was a major high for me. I was exhilarated. It felt as if I had just scaled the world's highest mountain.
The depression was handled very well with taking 5 htp. Had I known about SAM-e at the time I"d have taken that as well.
Also, all along, I saw my acupuncturist almost every day, took tons of hot baths, drank tons of water and took a lot of vitamin c. I also went for a half hour or more walk every day no matter how tired I felt as I knew that was the only way to encourage my brain to make more endorphins.
The lethargy lasted for a few more weeks for me.
The I started to feel normal again, and I was so damned grateful for that. I still am.
Sleep took a long time to get back to normal, and it still is not completely easy for me to sleep, but that may be more due to the stress in my day to day life.
But, I'm coming up on a year since then, so I can tell you, it can be done.
The hardest part is really staying clean. Fighting the whispers of the Dragon that will give you many good reasons to pick up again. Just don't do it. Don't listen to them. Talk to others before you feel cravings.
The most uselful thing that was said to me through it all was "you can do it if you really want it bad enough".
Good luck,and remember, we are all here with you, every step of the way. If you don't feel you are getting the responses you need, scream at us! Sometimes with all the posts here it is easy to feel lost in the shuffle, but I will be here for you and any addict who needs it, no matter what.
I hope the tapering works for you, but if you do need to go cold turkey, it is hard, but it is doable. I promise. It really is doable.
love, luck, and light to you,
WW
It looks like you'll do the taper route, which I encourage if you can. I tried to taper a zillion times and failed each time. I just kept relapsing no matter how hard I tried, so I did a few cold turkey attempts and finally got through one and stayed through it.
I've been clean since last August. Somewhere in the archives is how I did it, but I'll write it out again here for your benefit.
Day 1 I felt sweaty, restless, but not too bad. By night time, I could not sleep no matter what, even with a large dose of valium. So that night I took 3 vicoprofens. I felt like a failure, but was commited to not taking any the next day.
Day 2 Felt really bad. Spent the day in the hot tub. Cried my heart out, Wrote on this forum till my fingers were blue from typing. Saw my acupuncturist. Sweat, got restless legs, skin crawling, the runs..all of it. Imodium was very helpful.
That night, still no sleep. I took 1 vicoprofen that night and was able to sleep.
Day 3 Worse day. I felt like ****. Body shakes, more gut cramps and runs, sweating like a pig, like a horrilbe flu. That night I took half a vicoprofen and was able to sleep a bit.
Day 4 I began to feel a bit better, definately through the worst of it, but still had some skin crawling, just a lot less.
that night i took half of a vicoprofen.
Day 5 much better, but at night still couldn't sleep so I took 1/4 of a vicoprofen.
Day 6 was much better, but then the lethargy hit. Moving from one room to another took more energy than I had. I got winded easily and I'm a very physical fit person. But I swallowed all my supplements and just sucked it up and got through it.
That night it was hard to sleep but I didn't have the intense restlessness so I didn't take any more vicoprofen, and haven't since. I was free. The extreme thrill at being opiate free was a major high for me. I was exhilarated. It felt as if I had just scaled the world's highest mountain.
The depression was handled very well with taking 5 htp. Had I known about SAM-e at the time I"d have taken that as well.
Also, all along, I saw my acupuncturist almost every day, took tons of hot baths, drank tons of water and took a lot of vitamin c. I also went for a half hour or more walk every day no matter how tired I felt as I knew that was the only way to encourage my brain to make more endorphins.
The lethargy lasted for a few more weeks for me.
The I started to feel normal again, and I was so damned grateful for that. I still am.
Sleep took a long time to get back to normal, and it still is not completely easy for me to sleep, but that may be more due to the stress in my day to day life.
But, I'm coming up on a year since then, so I can tell you, it can be done.
The hardest part is really staying clean. Fighting the whispers of the Dragon that will give you many good reasons to pick up again. Just don't do it. Don't listen to them. Talk to others before you feel cravings.
The most uselful thing that was said to me through it all was "you can do it if you really want it bad enough".
Good luck,and remember, we are all here with you, every step of the way. If you don't feel you are getting the responses you need, scream at us! Sometimes with all the posts here it is easy to feel lost in the shuffle, but I will be here for you and any addict who needs it, no matter what.
I hope the tapering works for you, but if you do need to go cold turkey, it is hard, but it is doable. I promise. It really is doable.
love, luck, and light to you,
WW
K-Bear,
I'm not that familiar with the patch. So I don't know if there are lower-dose patches available that will enable you to taper. But it sounds like you have a good doc and I would stick with his counsel.
I am a huge advocate of tapering. I was able to taper off of 100 MG/Day of OxyContin with very few side effects. Some sleeplessness and a lot of depression and low energy. But no withdrawals! So, if you can do it I don't think there's any question that it's the way to go. But be warned that not many people are able to do it. I haven't been successful in doing it this time--yea, I'm a great one to be giving all this advice as I've picked back up everytime! Do as I say not as I do!
Here's my taper advice: give all your meds to your husband. No secret caches for emergencies.
If you stick to the schedule you will be able to avoid the withdrawals; which I think is a HUGE motivator to mind your p's and q's.
I really do hope you make it.
I'm not that familiar with the patch. So I don't know if there are lower-dose patches available that will enable you to taper. But it sounds like you have a good doc and I would stick with his counsel.
I am a huge advocate of tapering. I was able to taper off of 100 MG/Day of OxyContin with very few side effects. Some sleeplessness and a lot of depression and low energy. But no withdrawals! So, if you can do it I don't think there's any question that it's the way to go. But be warned that not many people are able to do it. I haven't been successful in doing it this time--yea, I'm a great one to be giving all this advice as I've picked back up everytime! Do as I say not as I do!
Here's my taper advice: give all your meds to your husband. No secret caches for emergencies.
If you stick to the schedule you will be able to avoid the withdrawals; which I think is a HUGE motivator to mind your p's and q's.
I really do hope you make it.
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