pain

[kiran naz]

please answer my question i am a smoker and am suffering from phlemgh (mucus) in my lungs this only happens in the morning after i wake up, there is a shooting pain at the back of my head, shoulder blades, and lower back, these were the early symptoms, now the pain has gone to my knees, i am in great pain and the doctors don't know what it is , my blood tests are clear,

please diognose my problem as i really want to find out

[spook]

I would be looking for a most probably(hopefully) Benign tumor pressing againced nerves that are capable of referring pain to the regions you mention,
Only problem is it must be located in the Cervical region C1 to C8 these innervate the back of the head(could it have spread from the throat?-smoking!),neck,shoulders,arms and hands but not legs or knees.the S1 or sacral region innervates or could cause pain in that area,I have looked at Dermatomes and cannot see a connection,so apparently the knee pain is of different pathology to the upper Cervical region.Could this indicate a progresion of the tumor down the spinal nerves,I doubt it.Get LATEST IMAGING TESTS DONE,
And please provide your complete medical history(all drugs you have or are currently using)what you eat ,exercise patterns ,lifestyle,Psychiatric Assesments,etc,etc,etc.Otherwise I am stumbling in the dark.Not that I cannot feel my away around,but you sound like you are ready to take OPioids and it is better ,well FAR better to fix the cause of the pain.

[chad]

Sounds to me he/she is ready to STOP SMOKING!!!!

[spook]

My mother had to wait until (after 3 packets a day for 20 years)she had brocken ribs coughing and contracted lung cancer THEN SHE STOPPED.
see you soon Chad

[chad]

Spook what does that mean?  It's good people are trying to get help and I wish them all the luck in the world, god bless them, but if I had the trouble this person's having I wouldn't be sitting in my house/job on the internet looking for answers, I'd be at a clinic somewhere demanding tests on my body. If they didn't find anything, I would keep going on and on until I did find out what was wrong with me.  Some people just have a hard time breaking bad habits and Opiates are not the answer to everything, sometimes you have to go to the source of the problem and eliminate it, that's all I'm saying.  It doesn't mean they still don't need to stop smoking.  I know all about cancer.  I too have witnessed loved ones loose their battle with this terrible disease.  Sorry to hear about your mother, that's tragic for someone to go through. Just remember spook, other people have things to teach and storys to share as well.  Take Care
ChadB

[chad]

If I took that the wrong way, I'm terribly sorry.

[spook]

Everything is cool,I agree with what you and most people would do,to solve medical problems,I am not really sure why I mentioned my mothers experience,must be some reason?
Kirin really needs to explain her whole pedicament more.before any usefull advise can be dispensed.
it does not seem to be an addiction problem.

[chad]

No man, that's cool.  Maybe you need to talk more about your mother, it's good to express.  I know I would.  It's a very tough thing to go through.

[spook]

That was 15 years ago,she is now an attorney and owns her own lawyers firm and is resonably healthy for a 63 year old.My problem with her is her total reluctance to relate to me emotionally.But that is her problem ,that is the way she treats nearly everybody,my father divorced her because of these weird Character disorders.I hope you did not think she was dead,actually I was told at the time she had 3 months to live so I know the feeling anyway.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

This is a post from below. I am sorry that I had to post it again but I am tired of writing a long reply just to find it erased. Sorry for busting in on your thread....


It is so nice to know that there are people out there who care. Today is day 14 without Oxycontin! Finally I am starting to come back to life. I am so damm excited to see what life is going to be like off of everything. Can I just make a statement? People like Tom and I think maybe JB use to tell me about NA. I was like man, that **** is just not me! Tell you what! I love going to these meeting nightly. My girlfriend and I have already met some nice people our age. I already got a sponcer and I am about to start working on the steps. I am so glad I gave myself a chance to get over this.

Dee,
Just remember you can get off of the oxy's. It's very scary but it can work. I went from 300mg a day straight into detox. I don't think anyone should try to detox at home. You will be in alot of pain and you will be tempted to take a 20. Give it a shot! You never know, you may like it.

Patrick,
Thanks for saying "wuzz uppp!" I look forward to hearing from you!

Everyone,
Did any of you see the NBC nightly news last night? They are talking about weaning everone down off the oxy's by October. They (perdue) are trying to fight it. They also said that no new patients will be issued oxycontin scripts. What the hell are all these people who really need this medication going to do?

Thanks for reading......If any of you would like to chat one-on-one you can e-mail me at ***@****
I look forward to hearing from you..............CHAD

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Stop using my name god-dammit! I will come down there and set you on fire! Did you ever hear of that GAY BAND from the Baltimore area called LACHOZA? They really kick ass!!! Just because they dress in leather thongs doesn't make them a bad band. You just have to be comforatable enough with your own sexuality. During the show I hear they bring out a sheep and..........just go to one of there shows

THE ONLY TRUE CHAD!!!

PHILLY ALL THE WAY BABY!!! CHEESESTEAKS AND CRACK! NO OTHER CITY CAN TOUCH US!


just in case any of you are bothered by this post. my apoligies but I think some of us should lighten up a bit...

[The Dude]

We actually use a toothless goat on stage, he likes it when we tickle his scrotum.
WWW.LACHOZA.TV Baltimore MD.

[cindi]

Your mom is very luck to have come through the lung cancer,  My mom was diagnosed with emphysema in 1989 and did not quit smoking until 95,  became progressively worse and I watched her struggle for every breath until she ended up on a ventilator and died 3 months ago  On Christmas day.  I don't know why I even posted this but I will struggle with this for the rest of my life,  Thank God you still have your mom and she is doing well.   Cindi

[cindi]

I missed the news last night,  I am concerned about the oxy's.  after years of intense pain my my husband's doc just worte him a script for oxy's.  Only ten mgs but they do help.  after many years of various meds this helps him and they are taking it off the market?  This **** is so unfair......take care cindi

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I just want everyone to know that I am only stateing what I saw. The show was broadcast on NBC at 6:30 eastern time. I'll try to sum it up as clear as I possibly can.........

The FDA is concerned about the abuse of the drug oxycontin
They are already sweeping the nation in an effort to bust doctors who freely write scripts and patients who obtain to many scripts.
Remember every script of a narcotic is recorded by the DEA. at least it is here in PA.
They said that if they can come to the conclusion that more people are abusing this drug than the one's who need it than they would consider taking it completly off the market!
Remember they can and do have the power to do this.
No new perscriptions are currently being issued untill October.
People who are currently on oxys have nothing to worry about until then.
They also stated that eventually (october) if the dessision is made by the FDA that they would wean the current patients off of the drug.
Purdue Pharm (makers of oxy's) are curantly fighting this...

Time will tell. Like I said. I'm not making this **** up.
sorry for my spelling........I am typing very quick!
Chad

[cindi]

Thanks for the info...I believe you, I have no reason to think your making anything up...but i am concerned about the oxy's being taken off the market, like you, I think about what happens to the people who need it.  thanks for the info   cindi

[spook]

Thankyou for sharing and caring,my mum is one tuff(tough)son?sorry daughter of a *****(a real Woman,no bullshit),your replies always give me warmth in an otherwise chemically warm world.God bless you.Actually if I live another 10 years I will obtain access to  3 million dollar trust account,but life without love is a sick JOKE.thank you again and please if I can help in any way pleae ask.

[spook]

As a Neuropsychopharmacologist; I am Am not impressed(disgusted) with OXYCODONE,it comes on fast-(orally or snorted or IV)gives a heroin like rush,has no analgesic effects to surpass Morphine and represents the exploitation of Pharmaceutical companies to brain wash MD`s and Doctors(GP`s),that Codeine Derivatives are less ADDICITIVE than Morphine Analogues ie-,OXYMORPHONE,HEROIN,ETC,this is a scam and the DEA has every right to kick the Pharmaceutical companies Butts,but I am terribly sorry to those already ADDICTED who will suffer.As  nothing will change until government acknowedges that it is a Basic Human Moral RIGHT to get STONED.And you are the one who is going to suffer not the MANUFACTURERS.
Note.I found heroin much easier to get off than OXYCODONE!!!!!!!

[spook]

Toothless goats,are a poor substitute for a loving women with dentures.

[cindi]

Thank you for the nice comment above re: your mum.  My mom was a very strong person in her own right, she fought like hell as she was so afraid to leave behind her kids and her grandkids.  (Ok her cat to)  but in the end I had to assure her I would take care of everything,  how can i do that when I can't get past her death.  my days seem so dark and something is missing, the phone calls to my mom etc.  I guess time will help,  Luke, underneath all of your education and intellect, you are wonderful, compassionate, caring man, Not that education and intellect are bad things, they make for very interesting people, but I get the impression that love is very important to you.  you have made several remarks in other posts about how much you love women, and how love is so important to you etc.  I hope that you have some wonderful woman in your life that brings you nothing but happiness and if you don't then I hope you find her real soon..everyone deserves someone.   Love to all cindi

[Dee]

Cindi,
many times I have started to write to you only to delete it,
even now I find it very hard to continue with this post, I have read each post you have written about your mom, I have been waiting for it to get easier for me to be able to 'talk' about it but now realize that time will never come.I truly feel a 'connection'with you on this subject..first let me say, I'm sorry for the pain that you have felt and still feel, you see I, to lost my mom to emphysema in april of 1997 we had her wake on my Birthday..it never has gotten 'easier' for me, my mom was not your 'classic' emphysema patient, hers was a 'unique' case..for you to understand that, you would have to know the whole story..
I just wanted to let you know that I feel your pain, (literary)and if ever you want someone to talk to or someone to just listen to you,Iam here..maybe it's time for me to open this wound and let it heal..as much as possible I guess..my email is ***@**** if ever you feel the need...my thoughts are with you..
Dee-not deedee
PS
hopefully this post will not be deleted, please whoever is in charge of the posts, please give Cindi the chance to read this

[cindi]

Thank you for the post, luckily I did get the chance to read it. I am very sorry for your loss.    To talk to someone who has lost a mom is such a relief, I wonder through my days aimlessly, I cry my self to sleep each night, I never imagined the pain could be so intense like my heart has ben ripped apart and is laying in the bottom of my stomach.  Anyway, if I keep on going my post will be deleted, so I will write to you.  You can always send some mail at ***@****.  I will be looking forward to hearing form you   thanks again  Love to all  cindi

[PS >>>>Annie]

.....I feel compelled to respond to you guys.  I have loss 2 people very close to me also.  2yrs ago my friend, 1yr ago my grandmother.  They both loss the battle to cancer.  I think of them often.  
I'm not sure if this will help, but here goes.  I can recall looking at my friend lying there at the wake.  I couldn't even cry...she looked so peaceful.  I remember thinking...all your suffering is over.  You are a winner.  Sounds a little weird, doesn't it???  When ever I'm down...I think of them.  They are totally at rest...I know this will never resolve the "loss" you feel, and you really miss them.  We are the ones who are truly suffering now.  Dealing w/ everyday life.  
Just try to see them as angels now.  This will comfort you.  I can recall times.....when I ask them, "are you w/ me??"  What do you think about this or what do you think about that???  I may seem a little crazy, but this offers some peace and comfort to me.  I guess what I'm trying to say is:  Don't think of the last minute you saw there faces...talk to them as though they are still w/ you.  This really  helps.  
annie
Ps....It may be wise....not to talk to them out-loud when people are around.  Just a little humor there. lol  Hope you feel better soon.

[cindi]

Sometimes it is very hard to remember that I am not the only one dealing with the loss of someone we love.  Ever minute someone suffers through a loss such as this, JB lost a daughter, how does one get through that?  I know my loss is still "new" and in time my thoughts and bitterness will turn into good memories.  I try not to think of seeing her as sick as she was but the day before she died she begged me to help her, i told her I would but I let her down.  I talk to her all the time, I even yell sometimes as crazy as it sounds.  My dear Annie, you seem to always be here when I am down and on more than one occasion you have given me words of wisdom and encouragement, and for that I love you.    Thank you    love to all   cindi

[PS >>>>Annie]

This is to all my forum friends that problems relating to intractable or chronic pain.

HOORAY!!!.....I think I may have located a doctor in my area.

Visit these sites:
MED-HELP.COM (different than this site)Helped in locating a dr.
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Dr.Fisher.org...more or less, an FYI site.

The widomaker.com/~skipb......Most of you know about already.

The MED-HELP site gave me the names of 2 doctors in my area that deal w/ arthritis aggressively.  Perseverance pays off.  I'm am trying not to get my hopes up though.  As soon as I am released from dr's care, I will contact them.

also, you may email ***@****, and be sure to include your zipcodes and surrounding areas.

Although this is an addiction message board, there are people who frequent here, such as myself, trying to understand addiction and long term effects of pain medication to treat chronic pain...to aid in making a decision on whether or not opiate treatment is right for them.  I posted this information w/ this in mind.

Annie