Still more buprenorphine confusion

[Bodymechanic]

I doubt there has ever been an opiate drug that was more poorly understood by it's users.  In one of your posts you write that suboxoxone absorbsion is from 50-90%.  Is this from measuring blood levels?  Also, hairysoda writes in a previous post that he changed from 4amps of buprenx to 12 mg of suboxone.  Correct me if I am wrong, but is'nt this an almost 10 fold increase in dosing?  Yet you never mention this in spite of the fact he is asking about getting off the drug totally. What is a high dose? What is a low dose?  Are there any long term side effects with use over many years?  Is buprenorphine addictive and at what dose?  I have been using buprenophine for almost 6 months now and no-one has been able to answer even the most basic of questions.

Any information beyond the usual press releases would be most helpful.

Thanks

Bodymechanic

[mrmichael67]

The answer to proper pain management is not only through medication.  I think that is a great idea.

[hairysoda]

you all talk about this maintainence thing like its a cognitive chice of an addict. believe me in my case and im sure with others just like me you have to look yourself in the mirror and really ask yourself what the **** is going on.How did i get here? Why am i here?and How the **** can i get free. im sorry to all if i ramble but im new to this group and i have alot i want to share with you all.i started another thread so you all can read my writtings there about my experiances with bup and suboxone to how i even take it and the horible taste.my name is HAIRYSODA that has been my name for many years and to the person who asked about it really there is no story ablut why except that im a hairdresser in south florida and i also had a vending business ant the time and i sold soda and snacks so the become hairysoda. now the reason i am on this thread. this guy bsills what can i say but dont let this guy bother youall. he has something to share believe me except with him you really have to read between the lines he doesnt just come out with it but maybe he will so give him a chance. when he talks about maintaince and it is a cop out i wish it was the truth but it isnt. someone asked why would you do a drug like bup for so long and spend so much money without even getting high-you must be crazy- well the truth is it is addicting and i traded one drug which was either perecet or vicidan for another. the problem is that yu just cant stop taking this either and you have to make up your mind to wean off but when you try it get difficult you dont feel good you start to go in to withdrawals.there is no problem finding it here where i live actually i think this is the area of the country that it started. drug detox centers popped up all over the place and when i originally started about 3 years ago i was on a 20 t0 25 per day habit.man i thought i was in heaven no going to the hospital for detox you can do it at home except for the injections man in the beginning i thought i would die im a pill pusher not a junky man i was freaked. but after a while i was like a pro giving myself injections on the fly i mean in the car can you imagine that loading the suringe and given yourself a shot in your tricept is your left arm as you were driving on the expressway. it became a problem for me whenever i would go out of town or on a cruise or anything that had metal detectors i was scared that i would set off the whole place with the needles. so i packed them in my luggage and gave myself a shop just befor we left.well one time wherever we were they lost my bags and i thought i was going to pull whatever hair out of my head that i have left and its not much, but four hours latter they found it.well now they have this pill that you can put under your tounge its wonderful no more problems just the taste-yuke- i told youall i was going to bable on but im sure that alot of you reading this will enjoy and relate so im expecting you all to start writing me on my thread about bup/suboxe with you experiance and just one more thing insuranc is now paying for the meds when they weren't for the bup which is saving me alot of money. ut while were on the money topic i laugh when someone asked me about the cost of this. how can you be paying all this money. weren't you spending all that money for your drugs before sure you were but you cant deferentiate the difference between drugs to get high on and drugs to give you a quality of life so you can carry on. im thinking now of what i can do to get off altoghter from these drugs that are sustaining me like going to a detox center but im alittle afraid and i really cant take off about a mount from work to do it.i would really like to feel what its like to feel normal again  i think i forgot but im afraid that its not so good or i wouldn't have started this way of life im in now

[bsills]

Some of you talk like there is absolutely no cognitive choice in the matter of Opiate addiction.  If you tell yourself that long enough and often enough, guess what?

How do you, personally, define "maintenance"?

[bsills]

I am against maintainance generally speaking because I think people should try to get off the Junk.  Most junkies overestimate their physical habituation because of the strong psychological addiction aspect to using Opiates.  It is real easy to fool yourself into thinking you need a lot of "maintainance".

[theGolden1]

in a certain way we are all "maintaining" always be prepared a state of being.
In your case the brubronexmake you feel good about youself and keeps the obsessive compulsive past of you from coming around.
i believe that one must indulge in the faith that .... it's reaaly all kool. What we all need is holistic medicine ....treat the entire person. I am finding out about the shiatzu massage. Just one holistic approach could be very educational as well as helping me to get in touch with my self in a vrey important way.
Maintainence implies certain limitations ... but I think the opposite is true. I want to be free of drugs, but I also want to be free of pain. The answer is somewhere in the middle. What meditation or workout could make a difference in the way I relate to drugs?  .... theGolden1

[skipper]

bodymechanic:
i don't want to sound pushy or nosy, but why have you stayed on bup the length of time you claim too? isn't it quite expensive? has your
md that Rx's bup not been concerned? i'm sorry, i just find it hard to understand being addicted to an opiate that doesn't give you the feeling of God's Own Medicine. I'm not down on maintainence, i just
can't understand why someone would want to do it with bup.

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip