Subutex W/D during pregnancy/seroquel

[callingkarma]

Hey all. I've been on Subutex for 3 years - due to a relapse. Worst mistake of my life. I've kicked heroin many times, but can't kick the sub. Not to mention my "conspiracy theory" on Subutex, but I won't give you that talk now - and I've seen many of you think the same. I found out I was pregnant while in my third year of Sub treatment - so it's not like I switched. My main goal for getting off Subutex is selfish - bash me as you like - I want pain relief during and AFTER giving birth. The option I was given was quite scary - an epidural for THREE DAYS!! I'm a wuss when it comes to pain, but I don't want an epidural for 3 days!! After I had my daughter 3 yrs ago I was given percs - 10 days worth - and was fine. An Epidural means I can't move!! The docs also mentioned they "could" give me a complete opiate agonist, in place of the epidural - gee, let's see which one they actually give me. . . Epidural anyone?? I can't imagine they want to give an opiate addict a morphine drip - even after a c-section! No, we've become a secondary human-life w/in hospital settings. The second you mention you take Sub or seem a little too eager to get that vicodin prescription, you're screwed! Nothing but unbearable pain for you, my little addict. . .

Geez - I've gone off on a rant! Sorry. Anyhow - I'm 29/30 weeks pregnant and jumping off tonight - I only take 2mg per day, and at the highest, maybe 4mg. I figure if I jump off now my child has a great chance of surviving outside the womb - you kno, for those that are gonna tell me I'm gonna miscarry - except after 27 weeks it's no longer called a miscarry, but a premature or stillbirth (Yes, I know those are 2 different things). I'm just trying to weed out all the self-taught med students - I know most of us know more than the nurses who assist the doctors - but that's not what I'm here for. . .

What I am here for is to know if someone has gone through a similar experience, what happened, how long were you sick, and how long did it take for you to feel 100%? I'm jumping off at a smaller dose than most do - so how much lower can I go w/o going insane? I don't really want to find out.

I'm also prescribed seroquel 50mg to sleep, but not sure how this will affect my baby - but I am willing to take it when the going gets rough. Has anyone used seroquel during an opiate w/d?

[callingkarma]

I just wanted to add - if anyone's wondering why I'm going by half lives,and want to try it this way, it's b/c the sub molecules bind so tightly to the receptors - going by half lives give them plenty of time to get knocked off. So instead of waiting 3 days to go into wd - you go into it, and finish it sooner.

By the time I get down to .125 once a day - there will be hardly anything left clinging to my receptors. So instead of w/d off 2mg - I'm only w/d off .125mg.

When u jump off at 2mg - u can expect to w/d at 48 - 60 hours later (almost 3days!!) - however, most addicts think they're w/d much sooner than that - I think those who taper don't realize exaclty why they're doing it.

I'm not stupid, I know when I get to .125 once a day and stop, I know I'll be in w/d longer than 8 hours, but it won't be unbearable - and sometimes if u just touch your tongue to a little piece, u'll feel better. It's not going to be pleasant, - but u won't die. Everything gets better with time - it just seems like time stands still through an opiate w/d.

[callingkarma]

Well, it's my fourth day taking 1/4 pill every 15 hours, or so. I figured if the half life of 1mg is 30 hours (If i'm wrong about that, can someone tell me what the 30 hour half life is for - what dosage?)

I wake up w the most awful stomach pains - which I consider to be the worst part. Rolaids not helping - any suggestions? It's not acid, it's a sour tightness - painful in many ways.

Tomorrow I start .125 every 8 hours for four days. I understand that might be a faster taper than most suggest - but I'm going by half-lives. I think once someone gets to .5 pill there is no need to taper more than 4 days at a time. I started at 2mg - 4mg - usually 2mg. And I tapered from that quicker than most, but my body has adjusted.

Any comments?

[Holliee]

Hello PLease TAPER as low as you can like the others said if you jump off now it will be pure he11 and hard on baby tooo/ I am sorry that your having to go through all this. I would shave crumbs off and do that and then try going ever other day. My friend is also on subutex been on it 2 yrs now and she tried to quit at 2mg and she said it was worse than anything or any w/d she ever been through she to was on herion... Please be careful for you and your baby if you need someone to talk to or just vent message me any time and let me know how things are going for you...Good Luck and God Bless

~~H~~

[callingkarma]

sorry to hear about ur brother. thx for the support. i have been taking 1/4 pill for about 3 days now - i caved in earlier this evening and took 1/4 pill - you know, i kicked heroin 3 times in jail - and i can't kick sub at home! it's nuts! however, that stuff is behind me, and honestly, i wouldn't mind going into labor - im sick of being pregnant.

[lashamummyof2]

I agree, don't just go c/t - it could harm the baby more than the drug itself. Please try and taper, if you can't get off, it's better than the w/d for the baby. I had an opiod epidural for my second (fentanyl? I had no idea they used that, but they said it didn't go near the baby). I was on codeine during second pregnancy and tapered right down. I know it's not as tough as sub, believe me, I am in w/d right now and not having a good time! I did it before, but it's never been like this, anyway, back to you. My baby was totally fine, no harm at all, he's 2 and way beyond all milestones. My brother died of alcoholism a few months after the baby was born and the stress of that while I was pregnant was much worse than me taking 1 tylenol w/ codeine when I was pregnant every day or every second day. Try and stay on a dose that keeps you feeling ok. And talk to a doctor, if you can.

[callingkarma]

How long were u in w/d for after going to .5? I'm there now - my stomach is killin me, but other than that - i think im ok - i also had some crazy dreams last nite -