Subuxone Abuse? Can't do it!

[Dpilot]

Well I started my day normal today, Got up took morning dose of subuxone played with dogs etc. Step son called and wanted me to fix his car, so about 1:00 he walkes over and I get ready to leave. Believing we would be gone for quite some time I took my Subuxone early before we left. We got back around 3:00, the time I normally take my afternoon dose. Forgetting I had already taken it I took another one. I felt like absolute **** untill just about an hour ago. Not Guilty, just real mentally agitated and physically like ****. Now I'm really impressed with the drug. It works great if taken like you are supposed to, but if I were to try and abuse I know now I couldn't do it. God I felt bad. Subutex didn't do that to me when I took 5 a day while detoxing. I guess it's the opoiate antagonist in Subuxone that made me feel so bad. At least I don't have to wonder about "what if I start to abuse it" cause now I know I couldn't if I wanted to. I take the 8mg/2mg Subuxone. Tomorrow I'm going to take 1/2 of one twice a day instead of taking a hole twice a day. Maybe I'll Be down to 1/2 a day by next Monday and Can stay on that till I run out of the 60 I was perscribed. Only taking them now for the opiate antagonist, as an insurance policy that I can't run over to the dealers house later in the day if I start hurting cause I know that anything I buy will not work and send me into withdrawl type symptoms. This honestly was a mistake on my part"taking too many" just thought I'd let you guys know what happens when you do.

[TrayCee]

Will a Dr. prescribe it for someone not using?
NO

[TrayCee]

if hes not using opiods there NO REASON to use Suboxone

[biblioman]

My son is an addict, although he has stopped using opiods for a few weeks now (according to his reports).  He is very anxious to get suboxone, which he states he has had previously for recreational purposes.  The best I know is that he isn't currently using opiods---is suboxone a good treatment approach for an addict who currently is not using?   Will a Dr. prescribe it for someone not using?

[noknowledge]

I have taken pain meds for over 30 years. I just got tired of it. I never abused it, but I had a situation where the boyfriend was stealing my pills. I talked with my Dr about it and told him I just wanted to see my real pain. He told me even though I had never taken more than my perscriped dose I was still looking at long term severe withdrawals. He first put me on Methadone 10mg's a day, 2 x's a day. I have never liked getting high, I don't even drink alcohol. Over a two week time I went down to 5mg's of Methadone a day taken in the morning. The first couple days on Methadone I hated it, it gave me a creepy feeling. 12 hours after my last dose of Methadone I started the Suboxone. The Dr told me to take 1- 8mg first this was around 6pm. Tastes horrible! I felt terrible so he said to take another one if I felt bad.  I felt even worse. I have never been through withdrawals and wondered if the Suboxone did it? taking 16 mg's first day? The next day when I woke up I took 4mg's and about 7 or 8 hours latter I felt creepy again and took a quarter of one, 2mg's.  Now I will take 1mg's in the morning and 1mg in the late afternoon.(my Dr calls it the psycoholgica dose.)l The Dr tells me at this point it's just in my head? that the dose is so low and long inbetween doses? He said the same thing about the 5mg's of Methadone that I should have gone off that easily.  For me I think it's the fact I am used to taking a pill of some form evey day for 30 years. I went through a lot of pain the first couple days on Methadone, headaches and back pain.  But when I went on the Suboxone I had severe back pain and I cried for 3 days. On the 4th day I woke up and the pain was bearable. I took 2 Advil along with the 4 mg's of Suboxone and I was fine. You do feel different, even though I never got high on pills my body became dependent on them, also psychologically I was addicted. Addiction can come in all forms. What I found out most about me and my pain is that I think I was having rebound pain? My body was so used to pain meds then going off them I think my brain was telling me I was in more pain then I actually was. Most days I can deal with the pain and I stay busy, but I feel so much clearer, healthier.  I didn't realize pain meds make you lazy, tired and you do so little on them. I am 50 and I can now paint my house, do yard work, do extrenuous stuff. It's great that I feel like I have a life! No depression, just a much happier feeling inside, feel free. Although I am going through the stuff with my boyfriend if you read my other posts, the biggest reason I wanted off of the meds? he kept stealing them and if I didn't have them to steal he would get better, no way I guess he is doing something else. I do have a full bottle of Roxicodone 30mgs (no tylenol, straight Oxycodone) should I need it.  I started Suboxone in April and I have had two incidences that I have had to take my pain meds. In July I ruptured 3 disks in the Lower region and a chipped fragment of the disk is pressing on the S1 root. They gave me Demerol in the hopsital.(hated it I was loopy) and then my pain meds for 5 more days. On day 6 I went back on Suboxone which the Dr thought was too sonon.I felt fine. It's one of those things, what's the lesser of two evils? I can now take the pain meds when I really need them and nolonger wake up and have the morning pill with coffee. The Dr said that at 2mgs a day I could take that the rest of my life without any problems. But I feel free, just knowing if I am in severe pain that advil or aspirin doesn't really help that I can take my pain medication as needed. But once again, aside from the ruptured disks back in April I have still NEVER had the pain I had when I was on the Roxicodones. I still believe all those years it was rebound pain when I woke up, maybe that was my withdrawal. I never took a pain med after 4pm, but when I woke up at 6am it was the first thing I took. I think Suboxone is a wonderful drug. My boyfriend tried it and hated it, but I think that's because he didn't get high off it.  Everyone is different and we all have our own agenda,s. Sometimes we beat ourselves up over this.  If you have a legitimate reason to take pain medication and take it to function normally, what is so bad about that?  People with diabetes have to take their meds everyday, people with high blood pressure, people who need to thin their blood, yet no one looks down on those people.  It seems when someone takes pain medication for a long time they automatically call them an addict. I was never an addict, but I was chemically dependent on it and as the years went by it took more and more to get the same pain relief I would get with 1 pill 30 years ago. Something brought me to this website, so I feel maybe I found it for a reason that just maybe I can contribute to the forum in some way. Thank you everyone. From the days of NA and Alanon one thing I have found out is addicts are always honest with each other, maybe not to others, but to each other. It becomes a small family a family that truly understands each other when outsiders can't or just judge them for the worse. I hope everyone here as a beautiful day, for getting up and living another day is a blessing and a miracle. NoKnowlege

[HenryS354]

Im not sure if Sub is just different for everyone, or if its just a mindset... But I can say I wish I was like you who got an ill effect out of using more sub.

I had the same situation, I forgot I took my pill, and took another one too early....  I got the opposite effect.  I was buzzed for hours, and I liked it a lot.  Before I knew it I was taking 12mgs a day just for the buzz I was getting.

So sad....

I have gotten myself back down to 4mgs daily, and continuing to decrease, and going through those damn wd's all over again.  Now I know this stuff is nothing to mess around with.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

oh yeah - - you can get just the naltrexone (narcane?) if you wish to................if thats all thats keeping you away from the dealers house....even have an implant thats easy and lasts six months I believe.................................

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

I thought your "methadonian" was absolutely terrific!!! Maybe you should send that to wickopedia and get credit for a new word? Look up sub in archives of medhelp...use search engine on forum to bring up hits..........become fully educated on this stuff....never can know too much about what you ae going to be doing ...........I finally just cold turkeyed the methadone myself - -  -think that I made the right call, all things considered.........................................good luck to you and a prayer for you success - -

[Tom7128]

I am a TWENTY year methadonian, back in March I was on 120mg, monday I will be on 30mg. I plan to start subuxone in about 3 weeks. Right now on 40 mg of meth I feel terrible, it's like I'm taking a placebo I get a little relief for about 6 hours then I go into withdrawal. I heard a lot of good things about subuxone, but can anyone tell me; Will it hold me 24 hours I just read that you can take it both mornings and afternoons. Right now it seems to be the right choice for me, since detoxing from 40mg a little at a time doesn't seem to be an option. It's subuxone or a quick detox in a medical detox/rehab. I know what that means and I really don't want to go through that but I don't want this constant, but not severe, withdrawal for the next 5 to 6 months either... Has anyone had similar experiences? Will subuxone give me relief or is it  a pipedream?

[sidney03]

What is the rigth way to use Subuxone?Subutex better?sidney03

[beachtowel]

Good morning Dpilot,

I am glad I was given the other one in detox I had subutex and I manipulated the nurse to double up here and there she didnt care.
I have never taken Subuxone with the oppiate blocker.
Your used to taking pills to feel better don't beat yourself up.
You know a lot of the words but you don't know all the music. No offense, keep plugging away and you will get there. D, it feels good to be sober it really does.
One of the greatest thing of being sober off a zillion pills as a man is your equipment comes back to life..lol

[Skyfoxglitter]

I totally agree with you... I did the same thing one time by taking my dose after I had already taken it...  Funny thing is that I also felt really agitated and almost like it put me into withdrawl... But I guess like you said at least we know we can't abuse it like we did the pills :-)