Therapeutic vs. Recreational Use

[kstuebin]

Is there a difference between using a drug for a medical reason and using a drug to get high.  Do the lines between the two blur together in some cases?  Is is possible to just take a drug as prescribed or is tolerance always going to develop leading to more and more? Do you take the drug because it alleviates your discomfort and is that the same as taking it to get high, (discounting pain)... I mean more like releiving anxiety. So many folks here on pain meds who need them trying to get off.  Why?  Why am I trying to stop since I feel worse now than before?  I realize this is not just one question but a whole series and I may be the only person here interested in the this so feel free to ignore this question and talk about anything you want.  Although, I would appreciate feedback if you have any.

[kstuebin]

Thanks for the feedback.  Guess there's no definitive answer is there? I'm tapered down to 5 mg and it's nightmare city when I sleep now. Last night I dreamt I had about 10 cats in my bedroom, all different kinds, calicos, tabbies, grey, etc. It was wonderful because I love kitties.  Then I realized they weren't real; I was hallucinating them. So I thought "Oh, I'm just dreaming."  Then "No, I'm really awake and I tapered down too fast."  Tried to dial 911 and none of the phones would work. Ain't this fun? Soon, I will be drug free but it will not be forever. Don't care what AA or NA says about that first drink or drug. I now know to never, never take them every day.  But if I want a break, a high, call it what you want, I'm going for it.  I'd get drunk but the hangovers are hell. Anyway, this is much nicer than being drunk.  One last totally irrelevant question to the pain med users.  I have never gotten a good high from pain meds.  They put me in this kinda dreamy state but I don't sleep,just lay there and zone out and feel nauseous and kinda wierd.  Unless, I use this formula, 2 percs and 4 beers.  That works for some reason. Thanks again, everyone.

[Thomas]

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[Frank Lee]

Kip

Went to Morpheus and downloaded tom Russell - wow, you

[Francoise]

You're a professional? Well.

I would like to "buy" some advice.

About a month ago, I had some very intense situational traffic involving my employment. I was wound up so tight with anxiety about it, I could hardly breathe. Lucky for me I had already made a prior appointment with a psychiatrist to deal with other, unrelated matters. So, naturally, when I got into his office I dealt with the current traffic first.

Result? He's got me on 75 mg Effexor XR in the morning, .5 mg Klonopin twice a day, and 150 mg Serzone (which I was already on, given to me by my pain management guy). Actually, he prescribed 1 mg klonopin twice a day, but I never took that much. And now I take .5 mg at night just before going to bed, and only .25 mg in the morning before going off to work.

That's the situation as it stands right now. He says he can have me off the klonopin in six days. Does that sound right to you? He went on about half-lives and such, but I'm in no rush. The situational traffic I mentioned has subsided, and I'd like to get off the klonopin altogether. Effexor too. What's the best way to do this? Will Thomas' recipe work for Klonopin withdrawal too?

Anyway, I'd really appreciate your advice in this matter. I can see how a person could abuse benzos if they were of a mind to do so. I'm not. I'd just like to be off 'em. It's only been a month and in my mind, the sooner I start getting off, the better. What to do?

Many Thanks,
Francois

[skipper]

ww:
an angel named Harry??!!
one of the closet shooting buddys i ever had was named Harry!! i'll
be honest i got the keep an angel onyour shoulder from a song by
Tom Russell called "box of visions." the best version of this song
is on a Tom Russell album call "the long way around." he does this song in duet with Iris Dement. never heard of these oeople? well
check it out, i don't even have to be stoned to listen to them.

"wait awhile and you'll grow stronger
never mind what the sad folks say
just keep an angel on your shoulder
never throw your dreams away
for they may save your life one day"

my wife and i saw tom russell and andrew hardin last april. they
were kicking off Tom's latest album "Borderland." it was a very
small concert (60 people) at a bed and breakfast in Sioux City, Ia.
this concert was the last thing we did before my surgery in May. i even had to argue with the cutter doc, see i just wanted to do this before whatever happened with surgery.

so.. keep an angel on your shoulder (hey i'm a thief--drugs words
whatever
kip

[SHOTSY]

Right now I feel as if "I" could use a tranquilizer. I live outside of Memphis. On the news there was a postal worker rushed to a minor emergency due to fumes from a box..Then they quantined the clinic. Of course haven't heard anything more definite. Then the grey hound incident-the guy getting his throat slashed-he's okay. Are you guys getting stuff like this in your area? I've started boiling water for drinking, just in case. Although I've had issues with my water before. Any professional or just plain everyday words to keep me from FREAKING OUT!!  I love my little book of quotes but that's not helping. Thanks guys, Shotsy