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Vicodin safety?
Hi,
Below is a quote from the doctor on this forum:
"Forum-Ph.D.-ATH
(27-Feb-03) squirrel1970 Opiates in general are not especially damaging to us, not as much as alcohol is. The factors associated with use, such as dirty needles or malnutrition, tend to be bigger problems. More than that I couldn't say about your situation. Your baby may have a withdrawal syndrome at birth. I'm not aware of any other significant issues."
This may be true but isnt there a huge risk of liver and kidney damage that comes with the high doeses of acetaminophen that is usually included in vicodan/percocet? Escpescially with alcohol. Is there a relatively safe or at least tolerable amount of both that you can take simultaneously (recreationally) and not have damage or problems with liver/kidneys?
Below is a quote from the doctor on this forum:
"Forum-Ph.D.-ATH
(27-Feb-03) squirrel1970 Opiates in general are not especially damaging to us, not as much as alcohol is. The factors associated with use, such as dirty needles or malnutrition, tend to be bigger problems. More than that I couldn't say about your situation. Your baby may have a withdrawal syndrome at birth. I'm not aware of any other significant issues."
This may be true but isnt there a huge risk of liver and kidney damage that comes with the high doeses of acetaminophen that is usually included in vicodan/percocet? Escpescially with alcohol. Is there a relatively safe or at least tolerable amount of both that you can take simultaneously (recreationally) and not have damage or problems with liver/kidneys?
Get a grip!
We all know what the doc means. And if you don't, go get your GED.
This can be argued for hours on both sides of the fence.
Now lets move on and stop wasting his time.
Chezz
We all know what the doc means. And if you don't, go get your GED.
This can be argued for hours on both sides of the fence.
Now lets move on and stop wasting his time.
Chezz
Hey Gang,
Has anyone heard of physical numbness assoc. with heavy Oxy usage? I'm writing on behalf of a dear, 20 y/o who admits she uses a lot & snorts it, or does a line? She gets it from her doc & also through friends. The numbness she describes is that it's her skin in the upper extremities, incl. the face. She also also uses xanax & effexor but in my research & pers. knowledge, I don't *think* this could be the cause. And the Oxys are what she uses - heavily. I recall a few x she's told me the amt. she snorted that nt. was equiv. to 40 percs...? I remember being on 8 percs a day a few yrs. ago & wow...that was a LOT for this junkie.
She posts over at DA (Devil's Advocate ;-) & wants help but isn't quite ready yet. I'm concerned about this numbness & wondered if anyone had even heard of it assoc. with heavy Oxy/snorting usage.
Thanks everyone!
Best,
Dancin'
Has anyone heard of physical numbness assoc. with heavy Oxy usage? I'm writing on behalf of a dear, 20 y/o who admits she uses a lot & snorts it, or does a line? She gets it from her doc & also through friends. The numbness she describes is that it's her skin in the upper extremities, incl. the face. She also also uses xanax & effexor but in my research & pers. knowledge, I don't *think* this could be the cause. And the Oxys are what she uses - heavily. I recall a few x she's told me the amt. she snorted that nt. was equiv. to 40 percs...? I remember being on 8 percs a day a few yrs. ago & wow...that was a LOT for this junkie.
She posts over at DA (Devil's Advocate ;-) & wants help but isn't quite ready yet. I'm concerned about this numbness & wondered if anyone had even heard of it assoc. with heavy Oxy/snorting usage.
Thanks everyone!
Best,
Dancin'
Hey now....
I used to "recreationally" drink 1 or 2 liters of vodka per day. I see no problem with using any drug to excess (improperly; and not as prescribed) as long as you know that it will kill you eventually. Sometimes sooner, sometimes later. Say what you want, but "Recreationally" usually leads to hidden habituation- Habituation to Addiction, and addiction to death... But who am I to judge?
If I were you, Wiggum, I'd find some "Safer" fun.... Like jumping out of airplanes, or racing on the interstate at 100 MPH-- It's MUCH safer than playing with the dragon.
Jess
I used to "recreationally" drink 1 or 2 liters of vodka per day. I see no problem with using any drug to excess (improperly; and not as prescribed) as long as you know that it will kill you eventually. Sometimes sooner, sometimes later. Say what you want, but "Recreationally" usually leads to hidden habituation- Habituation to Addiction, and addiction to death... But who am I to judge?
If I were you, Wiggum, I'd find some "Safer" fun.... Like jumping out of airplanes, or racing on the interstate at 100 MPH-- It's MUCH safer than playing with the dragon.
Jess
Heya Dancin'--
That numbness that your friend describes is probably the first signs of neuropathy. Neuropathy is simply the result of nerve damage caused by habitual use of great quantities of narcotics and/or alcohol over a long period of time. Our bodies were not made to take a daily onslaught of dope and booze. Over time, that numbness will turn into a constant burning pain that will never go away. Nerve damage is not something that can be "Healed"-- It can be "Covered", but never restored. I KNOW this because I live with it. All I can say is that I hope your friend seeks help before she gets to the point where I am.
Jess
That numbness that your friend describes is probably the first signs of neuropathy. Neuropathy is simply the result of nerve damage caused by habitual use of great quantities of narcotics and/or alcohol over a long period of time. Our bodies were not made to take a daily onslaught of dope and booze. Over time, that numbness will turn into a constant burning pain that will never go away. Nerve damage is not something that can be "Healed"-- It can be "Covered", but never restored. I KNOW this because I live with it. All I can say is that I hope your friend seeks help before she gets to the point where I am.
Jess
Dear Jess,
Thank you so much for your reply. Wow...that just chilled me. I'd never heard of that before & I'd abused codeine...big time. Not quite 4 mos. clean now but I had no idea.
I am SO sorry you must deal with this yourself. I can't imagine what it must be like to live with. You must have a tremendous amt. of inner strength. I'm assuming your condition was a result of opiate abuse?
Would you mind if I cut'n pasted this at DA, with your name as credit of course? I want it up there for her other friends to see & until I hear back from you, I'll just send it to her at home with your name of course.
Until your reply, I'd looked on the internet for ages & really couldn't find anything about this as there wasn't much about excessive use side effects.
Thank you so much for sharing, Jess & hang in there!
Best,
Judy
Thank you so much for your reply. Wow...that just chilled me. I'd never heard of that before & I'd abused codeine...big time. Not quite 4 mos. clean now but I had no idea.
I am SO sorry you must deal with this yourself. I can't imagine what it must be like to live with. You must have a tremendous amt. of inner strength. I'm assuming your condition was a result of opiate abuse?
Would you mind if I cut'n pasted this at DA, with your name as credit of course? I want it up there for her other friends to see & until I hear back from you, I'll just send it to her at home with your name of course.
Until your reply, I'd looked on the internet for ages & really couldn't find anything about this as there wasn't much about excessive use side effects.
Thank you so much for sharing, Jess & hang in there!
Best,
Judy
Yeah... You can post it.... I just hope that I'm wrong. It's not a pretty condition.
Take care-
Jess
Take care-
Jess
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