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any suboxone success stories?
I feel the worst and lowest I think maybe I ever have. If it weren't for all the bad stories ive heard I wudve started sub awhile ago. Just feel trapped :-(
NOONE on here can say if you will be successful with subs that's completely on you but with or without subs if you don't really really want it and are prepared to fight for it with every ounce of your being you won't get it. I don't know u at all but by the reply u posted about calling it helps makes it seems like you are lying to yourself in order to justify using and that's something we have all done but that's one of the biggest things is you cannot lie to yourself and try and justify using and no matter what you have got to be strong and fight it when your mind starts trying to justify because I know that you know that it's not the right thing to do even if you convince yourself it is
Good Luck and Godspeed
ABritt
Good Luck and Godspeed
ABritt
My heart breaks for you. I have followed you from the beginning and there is one constant with you and that is that you continually come up with plans to stop using and each of them fails. You re not getting the fact that your best thinking got you where you are right now. You stink at getting clean and if you think that is hard wait until you try to STAY clean.
I say all of this to you because I did the same thing you are doing over and over and over again and each time I failed. It wasn't until I got humble and actually took the advise of the people who had gone before me that I was able to get clean. And today they help keep me clean.
I truly hope you hit the bottom that wakes you up before this shyt kills you.
I say all of this to you because I did the same thing you are doing over and over and over again and each time I failed. It wasn't until I got humble and actually took the advise of the people who had gone before me that I was able to get clean. And today they help keep me clean.
I truly hope you hit the bottom that wakes you up before this shyt kills you.
"Will I be successful overall w/o the help of suboxone?"
The answer to that is the same whether you use subs or not...are you ready to do ALL the work it takes to get and STAY clean? Getting clean is possible, staying clean is a whole different story. Doesn't sound like you have ever followed through with aftercare anytime you've tried to get clean?
If I were you, I would do something...smoking pills is NOT good. Your health is on the line.
The answer to that is the same whether you use subs or not...are you ready to do ALL the work it takes to get and STAY clean? Getting clean is possible, staying clean is a whole different story. Doesn't sound like you have ever followed through with aftercare anytime you've tried to get clean?
If I were you, I would do something...smoking pills is NOT good. Your health is on the line.
Well, first thing is first. I know I will feel boatloads better right off the bat if I wud be able to stop being a MORON and stop f****** smokin my pills. Ive done it several times b4, and the bad news is that even if u are still taking something, because of how fast n hard it hits u when smoking the w/d's from it are BRUTAL. The good news is, it usually onky takes around 3 days to get through because of the short duration caused by smoking.
ive had it. I really have. Will I be successful overall w/o the help of suboxone? I don't know. But I do know I am done smoking. Even when I'm doing it nymore I feel like death. Not sure exactly why I feel like I'm in w/d even just 10 minutes after, but don't care why. Just care that I'm done. I made it just over 2 days at the beginning of the week, but then I had I big day at work and thought I cud use the "help". But like I said, I still felt terrible. So here again is day 1. Hopefully by Tuesday ill be over the no smoking hump and can move on from there. A very rough morning so far, but forcing myself to get out and run some errands. Its a start (again)
ive had it. I really have. Will I be successful overall w/o the help of suboxone? I don't know. But I do know I am done smoking. Even when I'm doing it nymore I feel like death. Not sure exactly why I feel like I'm in w/d even just 10 minutes after, but don't care why. Just care that I'm done. I made it just over 2 days at the beginning of the week, but then I had I big day at work and thought I cud use the "help". But like I said, I still felt terrible. So here again is day 1. Hopefully by Tuesday ill be over the no smoking hump and can move on from there. A very rough morning so far, but forcing myself to get out and run some errands. Its a start (again)
If and I'm not trying to say do it or don't but if u decide to go to suboxone research it as much as possible because n I say this over and over but unfortunately its the truth that alot of doctors that prescribe suboxone are simply in it for the money and do not know as much as they should about the med and put ppl on ridiculously high amounts(28-36mg)that are just unnecessary because the reason suboxone works is because it has the ceiling effect that stops one from getting high and that ceiling effect is at 4mg and the half life of suboxone is very long so it stay binded to the receptors alot longer than any pain killer does what I'm trying to get at here is try n take the absolute lowest amount of it a day you can if u decide to do it and it will make it alot easier on you
Good luck and Godspeed
ABritt
Good luck and Godspeed
ABritt
It seems like you have all the info you need, so now it's decision time. Fentanyl is more dangerous than subs. How are you doing now, and what are your fears?
"The most important thing about subs is: they were designed for a specific purpose and use......to "be a harm reduction" tool or "assist you" in getting to a place of being totally clean.
In the world we live in....OF COURSE.....their are $$ hungry drs/clinics out there. That's the world we live in where greed and $$ rule.
If subs are used correctly.......if the clinic/dr. is a GOOD one......they can be a blessing, but if you stay on them with absolutely NO timeframe or plan to wean off them......of course you could have a bad experience. That's alot of if's.......but subs are a TOOL!!! Tools can only work if they are used as the mfr intended for them to be used. "
I agree completely with the above. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I truly think a person contemplating Subs should do so for the RIGHT reasons, and in certain circumstances. I think sub is optimal for the chronic relapser, for someone is a pretty heavy user, and for someone who REALLY wants to stop. Do you REALLY want to stop and just haven't been able to, or are you just going through the motions?
Sub alone won't fix anything. There is a LOT of work that needs done. Sub is helpful for a few reasons, one...it puts off detox for a while, allowing a person to get some clean time under their belt, stabilize, and get out of that cycle of addiction, to be able to start thinking more clearly. Most people fear w/ds and w/ds lead people to relapse. Quite frankly, w/ds sounds horrendous. I'm the biggest sissy in the world..I don't think I could endure them.
Subs also allow a person to start working a program...therapy, meetings, getting a solid aftercare plan in place. All of that is hard to do when you're sick as a dog, or high.
If you're considering it, I CANNOT stress enough that in order to be successful, you MUST find a good clinic. One that requires drug testing (with every visit preferrably), one where the doc is going to order a bunch of bloodwork on intake, to determine if there are any resulting health problems that need addressed. One that requires therapy, preferrably on site, correlated with the doctor's visits. One that openly and honestly discusses tapering, and encourages a person to set goals, but also doesnt RUSH the taper.
Dont listen to the nonsense about Sub needing to be a super quick, turbo process, like 2 weeks. That isn't long enough for a person to even adjust to the sub and stabilize. A typical good sub program is about 6-12 months....that allows enough time so that ALL of the above can be successfully accomplished.
There ARE people who choose to stay on a very low, maint dose of sub long term. That's a personal decision. People sometimes take issue with that..I say, if they're not using anymore, and taking one strip a day, that's far safer than an out of control opiate addiction. For some people, especially chronic relapsers and very long time users, it's a reasonable option. I would encourage most people to at least TRY a taper at some point.
PLEASE weigh this decision carefully. It should be thought through...not made in the spur of the moment. It's not for everyone. If you view sub as a way to avoud w/d's, either change your thinking, or don't consider it. The people that view it like that, are the ones who are not successful with it.
Very best of luck to you.You can find Sub docs in your area at:
www.suboxone.com
In the world we live in....OF COURSE.....their are $$ hungry drs/clinics out there. That's the world we live in where greed and $$ rule.
If subs are used correctly.......if the clinic/dr. is a GOOD one......they can be a blessing, but if you stay on them with absolutely NO timeframe or plan to wean off them......of course you could have a bad experience. That's alot of if's.......but subs are a TOOL!!! Tools can only work if they are used as the mfr intended for them to be used. "
I agree completely with the above. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I truly think a person contemplating Subs should do so for the RIGHT reasons, and in certain circumstances. I think sub is optimal for the chronic relapser, for someone is a pretty heavy user, and for someone who REALLY wants to stop. Do you REALLY want to stop and just haven't been able to, or are you just going through the motions?
Sub alone won't fix anything. There is a LOT of work that needs done. Sub is helpful for a few reasons, one...it puts off detox for a while, allowing a person to get some clean time under their belt, stabilize, and get out of that cycle of addiction, to be able to start thinking more clearly. Most people fear w/ds and w/ds lead people to relapse. Quite frankly, w/ds sounds horrendous. I'm the biggest sissy in the world..I don't think I could endure them.
Subs also allow a person to start working a program...therapy, meetings, getting a solid aftercare plan in place. All of that is hard to do when you're sick as a dog, or high.
If you're considering it, I CANNOT stress enough that in order to be successful, you MUST find a good clinic. One that requires drug testing (with every visit preferrably), one where the doc is going to order a bunch of bloodwork on intake, to determine if there are any resulting health problems that need addressed. One that requires therapy, preferrably on site, correlated with the doctor's visits. One that openly and honestly discusses tapering, and encourages a person to set goals, but also doesnt RUSH the taper.
Dont listen to the nonsense about Sub needing to be a super quick, turbo process, like 2 weeks. That isn't long enough for a person to even adjust to the sub and stabilize. A typical good sub program is about 6-12 months....that allows enough time so that ALL of the above can be successfully accomplished.
There ARE people who choose to stay on a very low, maint dose of sub long term. That's a personal decision. People sometimes take issue with that..I say, if they're not using anymore, and taking one strip a day, that's far safer than an out of control opiate addiction. For some people, especially chronic relapsers and very long time users, it's a reasonable option. I would encourage most people to at least TRY a taper at some point.
PLEASE weigh this decision carefully. It should be thought through...not made in the spur of the moment. It's not for everyone. If you view sub as a way to avoud w/d's, either change your thinking, or don't consider it. The people that view it like that, are the ones who are not successful with it.
Very best of luck to you.You can find Sub docs in your area at:
www.suboxone.com
After your post about the "root of your downward spiral"....I've wondered how you were doing?? What are you still taking? How much?
The most important thing about subs is: they were designed for a specific purpose and use......to "be a harm reduction" tool or "assist you" in getting to a place of being totally clean.
In the world we live in....OF COURSE.....their are $$ hungry drs/clinics out there. That's the world we live in where greed and $$ rule.
If subs are used correctly.......if the clinic/dr. is a GOOD one......they can be a blessing, but if you stay on them with absolutely NO timeframe or plan to wean off them......of course you could have a bad experience. That's alot of if's.......but subs are a TOOL!!! Tools can only work if they are used as the mfr intended for them to be used. (doesn't stop greedy law suits, tho, from idiots that don't USE the tool as designed) Just rabbit trailin,...sorry.
Just like some methadone clinics that actually INCREASE the dose of the patients....there are $$ hungry people that "prey" on addicts. That's their goal. They are sick TOO (IMO)!
Another difficult thing about subs is that you MUST be in w/drawal BEFORE you take it. If you plan to USE it for its INTENDED PURPOSE...
you can benefit from sub use.
At the aftercare I went to for a VERY short period of time early in my w/drawing days.......I witnessed many addicts that had stopped their DOC and were then taking subs......but the drug seeking behavior came back for many of them since they didn't use it as a TOOL to w/draw from opiates as intended and remained taking them for too long.
Guess my silly brain is paralleling this to driving a slick Bentley or Porshe into a mud pit and wondering "hey, this stinks.... it isn't working it's ruining my car.....of course.... since Jeeps (and other wheels) were designed for mud pits and Bentleys were not..... My point is.... this is where some of the horror stories about subs come from.
After re-reading your post about your downward spiral......and if you are still using drugs.......I would imagine you feel worse than ever b4. The fog and pain won't and CANNOT lift without your participation!
I hope you know we're all rootin for you.....but the choice to lay it all down can only be yoursl
The most important thing about subs is: they were designed for a specific purpose and use......to "be a harm reduction" tool or "assist you" in getting to a place of being totally clean.
In the world we live in....OF COURSE.....their are $$ hungry drs/clinics out there. That's the world we live in where greed and $$ rule.
If subs are used correctly.......if the clinic/dr. is a GOOD one......they can be a blessing, but if you stay on them with absolutely NO timeframe or plan to wean off them......of course you could have a bad experience. That's alot of if's.......but subs are a TOOL!!! Tools can only work if they are used as the mfr intended for them to be used. (doesn't stop greedy law suits, tho, from idiots that don't USE the tool as designed) Just rabbit trailin,...sorry.
Just like some methadone clinics that actually INCREASE the dose of the patients....there are $$ hungry people that "prey" on addicts. That's their goal. They are sick TOO (IMO)!
Another difficult thing about subs is that you MUST be in w/drawal BEFORE you take it. If you plan to USE it for its INTENDED PURPOSE...
you can benefit from sub use.
At the aftercare I went to for a VERY short period of time early in my w/drawing days.......I witnessed many addicts that had stopped their DOC and were then taking subs......but the drug seeking behavior came back for many of them since they didn't use it as a TOOL to w/draw from opiates as intended and remained taking them for too long.
Guess my silly brain is paralleling this to driving a slick Bentley or Porshe into a mud pit and wondering "hey, this stinks.... it isn't working it's ruining my car.....of course.... since Jeeps (and other wheels) were designed for mud pits and Bentleys were not..... My point is.... this is where some of the horror stories about subs come from.
After re-reading your post about your downward spiral......and if you are still using drugs.......I would imagine you feel worse than ever b4. The fog and pain won't and CANNOT lift without your participation!
I hope you know we're all rootin for you.....but the choice to lay it all down can only be yoursl
Suboxone def would go as far to say saved my life but with that said I also do not thing suboxone is something that should be thrown around as much as it is because alot of the horror stories you read about start off bad because someone goes to a sub doctor that is in it for the money and ends up prescribing them suboxone even tho it is 20x stronger than the drug they are already on. With that said if you don't mind what is or was your doc and how much?
We can't make the decision for you, but it sounds like you are no better off than you were before, so let us know what is going on with you as IBKleen suggested...that would help us to see where you are at this point...what you are still taking, whether you have successfully tapered to a certain point. If you have had no movement in the right direction, then maybe it's the right thing for you, but please let us know what is going on.
u kno iv recomended u look into sub just bcuz of the amounts u take. i never really suggest it to people unless i think they r in danger like i was. iv been on it 6 months if u hav any ?s im here. im glad to see u looking at ur options if i can help in anyway let me kno. u and i r not very different from what iv read.
No experience with sub but definitely have read a lot about it here. Yes there seems to be more horror stories than successful ones. I have also read many times it saved their lives. The high amounts you take and smoke scare me and I am always relieved to see you post. Wishing you all the best with whatever choice you make.
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