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my son is addicted to oxy
my son is addicted to oxy and is currently in a detox treatment of 60 mg of methadone a day. He has gone 5 days and is already trying to make excuses to not go tomorrow. I work 2 jobs and have limited time to take him. I will not give him money for gas as I fear he will use it on drugs(he has in the past) I saw a sore on his arm and suspect he may be shooting up,I am not sure as I have no experience with drugs. he has a boil like bump on his upper arn and a bruise above that. It really isnt by a vein it is under the sleeve of his shirt. Is it possible to shoot up with out a vein?? Please if anyone can help it would be appreciated. He is living out of his car with his girlfriend and making really bad choices. I love him,however I am not sure how to help him. I am paying for his methadone only a few days at a time so he has to be accountable and check in with me every couple of days.
The only advice I can give is put him in a inpatient detox...First he'll have somewhere to stay 2nd he'll be away from all drugs and 3rd maybe the g/f isn't a good thing for him and is holding him back I've seen it many times...
The question here seems to be this..is he doing the methadone for YOU or himself? He's not going to get clean until he wants it for himself. I hate to say this, but he's going to have to hit bottom before he starts gasping for air. Try an intervention and get him into an inpatient treatment center. Trading Oxy for methadone is not the answer. Alanon meetings for yourself may be a good idea, too.
I have tried to get him into a program he just wont do it.(so close but not 100 percent sold on it) His g/f has just finished a 21 day program of methadone. She isnt very supportive,she says she is but she isnt.I over heard her reeming him for telling us he was using again. I think she is afraid my son will leave her if he gets clean. I have him agreeing to go to counseling,thats a start. He just doesnt want to leave her for 30 days or longer. I will see if they have an narcotics anonomus he could attend as well. They have a toxic realtionship,thats another posting. I feed them and pay for his program.(paid for hers in the past) (felt very taken advantage of by both of them) He is welcome back home if and when he is willing to help himself and make a change in his life. She needs to go home as well.
Wow you're between a rock and a hard place....Can't you find a suboxone program I just think methadone is worste than oc's...And that could be true that she's affraid if he gets clean he'll leave but if he's not going to help himself for him and has her in the way, but doesn't see it I don't know what you could do.
First, don't make assumptions about the sore on his arm, it could be his ppd test for T.B.
It's standard when you go on a clinic.
Do warn him that methadone is more addictive than anything else, it's a fill antagonist as opposed to a partial antagonist, like other opiates. The withdrawals last for weeks, the secondary withdrawals for up to a year or two (normal opiate withdrawal is 4 days, few months of secondary withdrawals tops).
So he shouldn't play around. Finish his detox properly. Use a clonidine detox after the methadone detox.
Otherwise, if he's living out of his car, without support from family, he's facing a VERY difficult recovery. No home, no money, leaves a person in a mental place where they start to get clean, realize how far down they've come, how far they have to go, and they just give up. And he will need to learn to accept he isn't trusted anymore, has to earn that trust again...and it will take more than a few days/weeks.
Ah, one other thing, there is something called "skin popping". It's where you inject under the skin...but almost no one does it, especially men. It's generally only done by people who have used up their veins, or have great difficulty getting an intravenous shot in (woman tend to have smaller veins than men, so they do this more than men).
It's standard when you go on a clinic.
Do warn him that methadone is more addictive than anything else, it's a fill antagonist as opposed to a partial antagonist, like other opiates. The withdrawals last for weeks, the secondary withdrawals for up to a year or two (normal opiate withdrawal is 4 days, few months of secondary withdrawals tops).
So he shouldn't play around. Finish his detox properly. Use a clonidine detox after the methadone detox.
Otherwise, if he's living out of his car, without support from family, he's facing a VERY difficult recovery. No home, no money, leaves a person in a mental place where they start to get clean, realize how far down they've come, how far they have to go, and they just give up. And he will need to learn to accept he isn't trusted anymore, has to earn that trust again...and it will take more than a few days/weeks.
Ah, one other thing, there is something called "skin popping". It's where you inject under the skin...but almost no one does it, especially men. It's generally only done by people who have used up their veins, or have great difficulty getting an intravenous shot in (woman tend to have smaller veins than men, so they do this more than men).
First, don't make assumptions about the sore on his arm, it could be his ppd test for T.B.
It's standard when you go on a clinic.
Do warn him that methadone is more addictive than anything else, it's a fill antagonist as opposed to a partial antagonist, like other opiates. The withdrawals last for weeks, the secondary withdrawals for up to a year or two (normal opiate withdrawal is 4 days, few months of secondary withdrawals tops).
So he shouldn't play around. Finish his detox properly. Use a clonidine detox after the methadone detox.
Otherwise, if he's living out of his car, without support from family, he's facing a VERY difficult recovery. No home, no money, leaves a person in a mental place where they start to get clean, realize how far down they've come, how far they have to go, and they just give up. And he will need to learn to accept he isn't trusted anymore, has to earn that trust again...and it will take more than a few days/weeks.
Ah, one other thing, there is something called "skin popping". It's where you inject under the skin...but almost no one does it, especially men. It's generally only done by people who have used up their veins, or have great difficulty getting an intravenous shot in (woman tend to have smaller veins than men, so they do this more than men).
It's standard when you go on a clinic.
Do warn him that methadone is more addictive than anything else, it's a fill antagonist as opposed to a partial antagonist, like other opiates. The withdrawals last for weeks, the secondary withdrawals for up to a year or two (normal opiate withdrawal is 4 days, few months of secondary withdrawals tops).
So he shouldn't play around. Finish his detox properly. Use a clonidine detox after the methadone detox.
Otherwise, if he's living out of his car, without support from family, he's facing a VERY difficult recovery. No home, no money, leaves a person in a mental place where they start to get clean, realize how far down they've come, how far they have to go, and they just give up. And he will need to learn to accept he isn't trusted anymore, has to earn that trust again...and it will take more than a few days/weeks.
Ah, one other thing, there is something called "skin popping". It's where you inject under the skin...but almost no one does it, especially men. It's generally only done by people who have used up their veins, or have great difficulty getting an intravenous shot in (woman tend to have smaller veins than men, so they do this more than men).
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My heart breaks for you. I know you are trying to help him; however, as it has been said..HE needs to want it! It seems that he is not ready.
In that case, you need a little "tough love". I know it is hard. My mom did it with me and it damn near killed me, but it did get me clean. He is an addict and he will use you. And, so will she. I hate to see you have your heart broken over and over, as well as your bank account. If he doesn't go into a program, well, you just may have to let him go at some point.
Please keep us posted. Ask anything. I will pray for you all.
My heart breaks for you. I know you are trying to help him; however, as it has been said..HE needs to want it! It seems that he is not ready.
In that case, you need a little "tough love". I know it is hard. My mom did it with me and it damn near killed me, but it did get me clean. He is an addict and he will use you. And, so will she. I hate to see you have your heart broken over and over, as well as your bank account. If he doesn't go into a program, well, you just may have to let him go at some point.
Please keep us posted. Ask anything. I will pray for you all.
Your right, and when he is ready to help himself I will be here for him. I just wish he would loose the g/f as I feel she is holding him back. I fear the methadone is a cheap substitution for the oxy. He wants to go to an outpatient program that has suboxone.(not sure what this is??) He did show up today to go to the clinic on his own, and borrowed my other sons car to get there.I have been taking him when home,however I work all day on wednesday. I just hope and pray that he will be ready soon. Thankyou to all who have taken the time to talk to me your perspective is very helpful. I dont want to loose my son to this addiction.He told me the other night he thought he was going to die as he could not wake up from a dream where he was falling off a cliff and almost hit the bottom. Maybe this is symbolic. Thanks for the alanon suggestion,I need all the help I can get to stay strong and focused and ready to fight the fight for my sons life and my own mental health.
you can shoot up anywhere. it doesnt have to be in a vein. think about the injections the docs will give at the ER right into your hip or shoulder. Those can leave bruises. and by the way, both my TB tests done in detox programs were done on the inner part of my lower arm, between my elbow and wrist.
At least he's willing to try suboxone thats good...Go to suboxone.com It also is a opiate blocker so if he would try to get high off any pills it wouldn't work, but i'm not sure about heroine never went there and I've always ran the other way if I met someone on it
First of all welcome to the forum,,,,
as far as his arm is he tried to shoot the Methadone it will coagulate upon impact with blood........
your son is in bad shape and needs help......
Just to let you know I was an active addict for 37 years and have now been in recovery for 21 months........
Please be advised your choice to get your son off an opiate and on Methadone is suspect......Methadone is highly addictive and the W/Ds symtoms are worse than his original opiate W/Ds...his problem is has now been compounded for his addiction to Methadone is much stronger than the Oxycotins.......
Can you get him into a professional detox? and then straight to an inpatient drug rehab?
Quitting to use believe it or not will be the easy part even though right now you might not agree it will be the after care to prevent relapse.....the mental addiction will be very difficult to overcome......
It is at this point where your support will do him his greatest benefit.......he will fight you all the way here but if you want your son back I encourage you to try my advice.......
I know the mental anguish your going through I put my Mother through H E L L!
It was her love that helped me once I made it to recovery that helped me the most...good luck....
as far as his arm is he tried to shoot the Methadone it will coagulate upon impact with blood........
your son is in bad shape and needs help......
Just to let you know I was an active addict for 37 years and have now been in recovery for 21 months........
Please be advised your choice to get your son off an opiate and on Methadone is suspect......Methadone is highly addictive and the W/Ds symtoms are worse than his original opiate W/Ds...his problem is has now been compounded for his addiction to Methadone is much stronger than the Oxycotins.......
Can you get him into a professional detox? and then straight to an inpatient drug rehab?
Quitting to use believe it or not will be the easy part even though right now you might not agree it will be the after care to prevent relapse.....the mental addiction will be very difficult to overcome......
It is at this point where your support will do him his greatest benefit.......he will fight you all the way here but if you want your son back I encourage you to try my advice.......
I know the mental anguish your going through I put my Mother through H E L L!
It was her love that helped me once I made it to recovery that helped me the most...good luck....
You will find a lot of sympathy here, because we have all done to others what your son is doing to you. Post here whenever you need support. If you just need to vent, go ahead. There are a lot of people on here with much better perspectives on this that will help you.
this you probably won't like hearing and for sure he won't you have to get her away from him.....two addicts trying to recover is very hard.......
He has to get away from all his friends that use!
He has to get away from all his friends that use!
I agree 100% once agian,LOL
Lovemyson...You will get alot of good advice here that won't judge and have been where you're son is or close and it sux big time!
The g/f has got to go even though me and my b/f are doing it together we're also wanting to do it and are still living our lives...If he didn't want to quit I would have kicked him out I have B4. We also have a 3 yr old together also...
Lovemyson...You will get alot of good advice here that won't judge and have been where you're son is or close and it sux big time!
The g/f has got to go even though me and my b/f are doing it together we're also wanting to do it and are still living our lives...If he didn't want to quit I would have kicked him out I have B4. We also have a 3 yr old together also...
God bless you and the Mother he gave you. Thank to all who have taken the time to write me,your perspective is very helpful. The bank account is already broke,however I am willing to pay for his detox treatment. And counseling is a must if he plans to come back home anytime soon. I feel a bit guilty as I rember the words to one of my favorite church songs, My glowing fire,my loaf of bread, my roofs safe shelter overhead,so that he may too be comforted. All I can offer is the loaf of bread. As I can not see anyone go hungry. My roof has already been abused. He can come home,she however is not welcome to ever live here again. She needs to go home as well. Thanks again..
Mental Health through certain agencies and social services pay for people who cannot afford detox and inpatient rehab which he desperatly needs both.......
You may have to get in a wait for a bed but he is in the Methadone treatment until he is ready to go.......insured people and people with $$$ go first but I waited 4 weeks and then got in.....
You may have to get in a wait for a bed but he is in the Methadone treatment until he is ready to go.......insured people and people with $$$ go first but I waited 4 weeks and then got in.....
God bless all of you and your own journey that you are on. My Husband who is a very kind and wise man has said," It doesnt matter how you start,it matters how you finish." I however am learning how to be patient as lifes journeys can be seem an eternity and I wish for the Happy Ending. I know through trials we all grow and progress,sometimes the growing pains are painful. If i could spare my son this pain in his journey I surely would,however then it truely wouldnt be his journey and lifes lesson. To all of you I wish that your journey is safe continue to grow and become who you were destined to be. Thank you for reaching out to me and helping me to better understand what my son is going through.
If I may leave you with one thing Addiction is not your sons fault but recovery is 100% his responsibility.......
Please try and look into suboxone it's at least much better than the methadone..Good luck
First,I feel soo awful for you.I was addicted for 5yrs to these pills and they are the devil,I did the same thing,started on heroin.This is because it is soo much cheaper with the same effect.It is sad but it always starts with snorting but once you shoot it up you never go back.It gives you a "rush feeling".I definately beleave he is shooting the "boil" is an abcess caused by shooting up in the same spot over and over and it gets infected.I read you are paying for methadone,which is also something I did.He needs to go to the assistance office because they will pay for it because it is considered a life substaining medication.This will save you four hundred dollars a month.Many people still use street drugs when first on methadone because it takes time to get up to the right dose and they feel sick until they are at the substaining dose.So,give it a chance,although I am now strongly against methadone but its better than his current situation.I was on methadone for 4yrs also and after a while did well and was clean from other substances.But just like any drug you build a tolerance and at the time I finally got off methaDONE i WAS AT 125MG!!!! along with five xanax bars,which is a deadly combination.Methadone clinics make it sound easy to get off it but it is harder than any other drugs and does not make u unable to get high like they say;instead you just have to do more of the street drugs and you can get high from methadone at a high enuf dose,but again it is better than the current situation.Methadone is for those who are not ready to quit,some are on it for life.I got lucky and had rapid detox surgery.(You can read about it at MRODS.com) that was the only way I'd ever of gotten off methadone,with the xanax,I was walking dead.All I did was pass out all day and do more drugs and alcohol.So,I hope you look into the assistance office thing and keep me posted.If you have any questions about what I have written let me know.Best of luck and Ill pray 4 your son.He needs all the prayers he can get.
Another thing,during my active addiction and part of the methadone I was married to an addict as well,it is very toxic.They will only pull eachother down.Until they are apart he will not get better.I got a divorce and still when around my ex I get anxiety and flashbacks.Sometimes I associate the good times with drugs but now I see where it had led me.All of the past has to be let go for him to get better.Sad but true.
I agree that Methadone is better than sticking a packed syringe full of Heroin into your veins but Sydney Smyth said something that is so common with people who use Methadone......
"I was on Methadone for four years" and that is so common with Methadone users years of use......
"I was on Methadone for four years" and that is so common with Methadone users years of use......
You are exactly right as I said in the forum it is very hard to get off and many people become lifers also,I just thought of suboxone,while expensive it's much better than methadone.Remember methadone WAS invented by Hitler!!!It is crazy the clinics brainwash you into beleaving it is a way the only way of life.They just care about all the money they make.I just got a bright light somewhere through the crazyness and said "I am goin to die and soon!" Someone heard my cry and I had the rapid detox.Thank God I am still alive although not being perfect but i will NEVER go back on methadone.I will go through the few days to a week of withdrawl anyday over methadone!!!
Mom already mentioned the fact that funds were getting really low........
I think Suboxone is a good choice but in her sons situation would recommend inpatient detox.....
Hes in bad shape right now and to trust him to take his meds correctly and how there suppose to be taken is a long shot.......
I think Suboxone is a good choice but in her sons situation would recommend inpatient detox.....
Hes in bad shape right now and to trust him to take his meds correctly and how there suppose to be taken is a long shot.......
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