repost same methadone detox question

[Foxlight]

Ok, I was cut off of methadone, last dose sunday at 25mg, I dropped to that in about two weeks from around 80.  It was rough but I managed it.  Now I'm on vikes and clonodine and it is wed.  The withdrawals are nowhere near as bad as I had suffered previously by missing two days at 80mg.  At that time, I got back on the methadone after just 2 days off and it took me a whole week to stabilize.  Question is, is this going to get worse?  Or is this it?  I mean, this dr is going to give me subutex then suboxone monday, but do I really even need it after a whole week off?  And are the vikes postponing the severe withdrawals are am I healing and adjusting even now?  Thanks anyone who responds to this.

[wait2long]

honestly hun...my guess would be you may be worse off, because you may be withdrawing from 2 drugs not just 1?  but i cant answer that as truth...have you decided if you are going to go to the doctors on monday?

[Foxlight]

my withdrawals have been getting worse each day, and to be honest, I feel a tiny bit better today then I did last night.  My skin was burning and I awoke today with some nasty diarehea.  I would rather try to quit vics any day over methadone but I do feel I'm postponing my healing.  I'd like to think you were wrong and that I AM healing a little, but even under the best possible circumstances, I'm not healing as fast as I would have otherwise.  Even if you are right, the fear I have is overwhelming at times, thinking of how long I have to stay like this and how hard it is to sleep or even sit comfortabley.  I down dosed way to fast, in my head, the vics are just another way to slowly ween myself.  Is that a bad thing?  And monday, I'll be out of vics or close to, will I withdraw even worse then I am now?  Or will it be of lesser extent?  Any help on this would be wonderful.
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[Savas]

The only reason I recall for different forms of suboxone in dealing with I.V. drug users is that one version is "mixed" so that it can't be injected. Otherwise, in ANY form, it's addictive. Unless some new non-addictive miracle form of suboxone just came out I'm not aware of.

Of course, they claimed it was a miracle in it's original form a decade ago when buphenorphine came out...and it turned out it wasn't...so I'd be skeptical.

I didn't catch if this was said...but if you're taking vic's while taking clonidine and the like, you aren't doing any healing process exactly, you're just substituting.

Now, technically, if you took it for six months...it COULD have a positive effect in the form of getting the methadone out of your system. But...I think the grief caused by taking vic's long term would ruin any positive effect.

As to panic attacks...
USUALLY, it's an underlying psychological issue that's coming out from stopping drugs. I had them for months to a minor degree (well, not according to my wife, she thinks it was major, but I disagree. Maybe. :) ), and it took ALOT of self reflection and emotional suffering to work through them.

I'm not saying there isn't a physical effect setting it off (there is), but it's something you CAN learn to cope with without taking med's for it. You have to just keep reminding yourself it's a physical reaction setting it off and watch out for blood pressure spiking, which can definitely cause a panic attack to start..

[Foxlight]

how long does the panic symptom of withdrawal last from methadone.  the rest of my stats are on one of the above posts.  I could really use help with that one.

[Foxlight]

my dr explained to me that subutex would not give me withdrawals, if I chose that route, I'll be using that drug for two weeks then going to suboxone.  I have been lied to by dr's before, but I was told that subutex does NOT have that drug in it, it's very intention is to be a transfer drug.  I'm not an expert, so I would look it up before you assume either I or FLaddict is giving correct data.  i was not an IV user so I'm not sure why my dr would use this approach.  Dr. Dennison actually headed the research on suboxone in Chicago before it was legalized and when I moved up into the boonies of WI I lucked out and got her.  From what I hear, I could have 3 more days of worsening withdrawals?  Correct?  But could it be that I could have only 5 or 6, maybe less?  Or is it a for sure 7 or better?  I am damn scared of this getting worse then it is because  it is slowly wearing away my confidence.  I was watching tv and this lady had got killed and I started crying right in my inlaws frontroom.  Tell me that isn't embarrasing.  Thanks for all the posts everyone.  

[wait2long]

is that the only difference between suboxone and subutex???  why would one get prescribed to somebody over the other?  unless they were I.V. drug users, i get that part...