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tapering
does anyone know anything about the med neurontin? my dr says to give it a try, i am tapering off of oxycontin, thanks to anyone that can help.
lee.
lee.
I'm sure many many of us relate to taking the pills to diminish/rid of some of lifes' "tough" spots. It's greg, but i try and avoid it on here too much, as i've steered some other people in my industry here. No biggy though.
Also after today, i won't be posting thru the day anymore, only at night and weekends(as oxic)....just fyi.
Also after today, i won't be posting thru the day anymore, only at night and weekends(as oxic)....just fyi.
Well i'm glad you finally posted true!!!
What are you trying to do, make me flashback or what???
You sound a lot like me(life kind of cruising along as it should, loving girlfriend and parents, etc etc; some back pain, a few pain pills), and now feel like the percs got a lifelong hold on your olah olah's(balls). If only those damn narcs didn't make a person feel so warm and fuzzy, and just handle the pain. I also have had my share of back pain, and two surgeries(L-5/S-1), and a fairly long love affair with percocet.
My first advice to you sir, would be to loose the guilt, and try to not think that you are letting people around you down!!!
YOU ARE NOT; IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE OPIATE BEAST!!!
We'll just make your recovery this time a lasting one.
As you are down around 5-10/day(almost what mine was at the End of my taper....)it shouldn't be too difficult. For this amount, depending on how many you have etc, i'd plan on a schedule covering approx. 3-4 weeks.
8/day : ~3 days
6/day : 3 or 4 days
5/day : 3 or 4 days
4/day : 3 or 4 days
....all the way down to zero. When you get to 1/day, you break it in half(1/2 in am and 1/2 in pm).
I don't have to tell you that you could drag this out forever, but i wouldn't want you to risk lessening your desire to get off them.
I've copied the Thomas Recipe(even though it is designed for cold turkey detox), which many of us have incorporated into our recovery, and should be most beneficial to you:
Thomas Detox Recipe
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas
This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.
I don't think you are too far away from getting on with your promising life!!!!
percsnomore
What are you trying to do, make me flashback or what???
You sound a lot like me(life kind of cruising along as it should, loving girlfriend and parents, etc etc; some back pain, a few pain pills), and now feel like the percs got a lifelong hold on your olah olah's(balls). If only those damn narcs didn't make a person feel so warm and fuzzy, and just handle the pain. I also have had my share of back pain, and two surgeries(L-5/S-1), and a fairly long love affair with percocet.
My first advice to you sir, would be to loose the guilt, and try to not think that you are letting people around you down!!!
YOU ARE NOT; IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE OPIATE BEAST!!!
We'll just make your recovery this time a lasting one.
As you are down around 5-10/day(almost what mine was at the End of my taper....)it shouldn't be too difficult. For this amount, depending on how many you have etc, i'd plan on a schedule covering approx. 3-4 weeks.
8/day : ~3 days
6/day : 3 or 4 days
5/day : 3 or 4 days
4/day : 3 or 4 days
....all the way down to zero. When you get to 1/day, you break it in half(1/2 in am and 1/2 in pm).
I don't have to tell you that you could drag this out forever, but i wouldn't want you to risk lessening your desire to get off them.
I've copied the Thomas Recipe(even though it is designed for cold turkey detox), which many of us have incorporated into our recovery, and should be most beneficial to you:
Thomas Detox Recipe
PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas
This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.
I don't think you are too far away from getting on with your promising life!!!!
percsnomore
hey no problem with the celebration thing when things are going well that is the best time for me i only took 15 yesterday and to tell you the truth when my hubby is gone it is easier in a way (he is gone to camp now for at least 2 weeks) the only down part is i have no help with the kids but they are really good anyway and if i get really sick tomorrow i will tell grandma i have the flu and need some help you wanna know something my son was born with holes in his heart and had open heart surgery at 3 months old and i swear i never left him (with a babysitter or family) until he was 1 and a half and even then it was for a hour i have only been away from my kids 5 times but now i am trying to let go a bit but i sometimes wonder if that was one of the reasons for my problem with the pills- wanting the escape or time to myself part anyway i wanted to ask something if it makes you uncomfortable its ok but what is your first name i dont know if you told me before and i forgot or not my son just asked me who i was writting to and i told him a good friend in calgary and then he asked what your name is and i said im not sure so thats why i asked anyway i also wanted to tell you i really hate the pills and want to quit on my own but i have to tell you finding a new friend here makes me want to even more just the appreciation of ecouragement and friendship anyway i will go now and wait till next time your friend Jodie
hey i just had to tell you my husband got a job tonight and we are so excited i just had to tell a friend your friend Jodie
Cutting back to 13 sounds good to me, and staying at that level for 3-5 days is also a good idea.
As far as the saliva ????
I know i sneezed like crazy(watery eyes and nose) for about a week, and read here that its a common withdrawal effect, so i suspect yours is too.
Since you asked, i'd probably save the benzo(loraz.) when you get down to the end of the taper or near the end.
Jodie, you sound like you've got the right attitude to give this a shot, so keep on fighting.
percs
...no, i'm certainly not in the medical profession!! Just been around too many pills.
Huge Congrats to your hubby on landing the job!!!!!!!!!(just don't go out and celebrate by taking 24 T-3's today.
As far as the saliva ????
I know i sneezed like crazy(watery eyes and nose) for about a week, and read here that its a common withdrawal effect, so i suspect yours is too.
Since you asked, i'd probably save the benzo(loraz.) when you get down to the end of the taper or near the end.
Jodie, you sound like you've got the right attitude to give this a shot, so keep on fighting.
percs
...no, i'm certainly not in the medical profession!! Just been around too many pills.
Huge Congrats to your hubby on landing the job!!!!!!!!!(just don't go out and celebrate by taking 24 T-3's today.
Hello. I am new to this whole forum thing, but I have been reading it for the last year or so. Trying to summon up the courage to actually write something.
Well, here goes. I am quite addicted to percocets. I eat anywhere from 5-20 a day, depending on my mood. I had some mild back pain a few years ago and I knew somewhere to get some percs. I ate one or two and it took away the pain. In addition, it made me feel really really good. Since then I have kept a steady schedule of perc abuse and have centered my life around eating, obtaining, and preserving pills. Although the latter never seems to work.
I quit a while ago and it was hell. I made it all the way through the withdrawal (physical at least) and was proud of myself, along with everyone else that knew about my problem. Then one day I decide to eat some more. I don't necessarily think it was my weakness, but more of an environmental trigger. I hate myself. I really do. I am not suicidal, but I hate the way I treat those around me. The lying, the stealing, the guilt. I was raised to be such a good person and I truly am, but now that I am under the control of these pills, I am losing my grip on myself. I wish with all that I am that I would have followed through the last time.
I have a loving girlfriend that stuck with me through my bad times, loving parents that did the same. I feel like I am letting them down, but most importantly (not to sound selfish) I am letting myself down. I currently eat about 5-10 a day. A lot of the time for the high, and not necessarily for the pain relief. Although, pain I never knew I had comes out when I don't have some for a few days.
Can anyone suggest how I can taper. I am a relatively strong person so discomfort won't kill me, but I need sleep. Last time I did not sleep for 5-6 days and I was going nuts. I didn't use benzos, methadone, anything. Just cold turkey. I need to quit. I have a promising life, I just want to get on with it.
Thanks for listening. I truly appreciate it!
One love
true
Well, here goes. I am quite addicted to percocets. I eat anywhere from 5-20 a day, depending on my mood. I had some mild back pain a few years ago and I knew somewhere to get some percs. I ate one or two and it took away the pain. In addition, it made me feel really really good. Since then I have kept a steady schedule of perc abuse and have centered my life around eating, obtaining, and preserving pills. Although the latter never seems to work.
I quit a while ago and it was hell. I made it all the way through the withdrawal (physical at least) and was proud of myself, along with everyone else that knew about my problem. Then one day I decide to eat some more. I don't necessarily think it was my weakness, but more of an environmental trigger. I hate myself. I really do. I am not suicidal, but I hate the way I treat those around me. The lying, the stealing, the guilt. I was raised to be such a good person and I truly am, but now that I am under the control of these pills, I am losing my grip on myself. I wish with all that I am that I would have followed through the last time.
I have a loving girlfriend that stuck with me through my bad times, loving parents that did the same. I feel like I am letting them down, but most importantly (not to sound selfish) I am letting myself down. I currently eat about 5-10 a day. A lot of the time for the high, and not necessarily for the pain relief. Although, pain I never knew I had comes out when I don't have some for a few days.
Can anyone suggest how I can taper. I am a relatively strong person so discomfort won't kill me, but I need sleep. Last time I did not sleep for 5-6 days and I was going nuts. I didn't use benzos, methadone, anything. Just cold turkey. I need to quit. I have a promising life, I just want to get on with it.
Thanks for listening. I truly appreciate it!
One love
true
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