thomas recipe

[RbSwea57]

I seen on here something called the Thomas Recipe Could some one tell me what that is and what all vitamins is in it

[gnarly_1]

HI Welcome to the forum where not alowd to give out taper plans its ageist the guidelines but we can be breif 15 pills is not enough to taper with trying to come off 150mg normally slow is good and evey few days you cut back a little sorry I have to be brief but its the rules,,,,,go to a dotor and tell him what happened and that you want off they will work up a safe taper program for you
tapering takes lots of discipline but it is doable your morphine dose is high your going to need a doctor to hep you lower it if you can cut it in 1/2 we can detox you here but your to hingh right now to many health risks I wosh you luck with this ........Gnarly  

[BLESSEDDEE]

i totally agree.....i was on methadone for 3 years and i tried to stop cold turkey...withdrawl was so bad i started taking hydro morphs and then m eslon 100mg to stop the withdrawls...now im hooked on them and scared ******** to go through withdrawl from them.....methadone is a trap....any advice on how to taper down from 150 mg m eslon( morphine) a day to 0??? im soooo scared...i have 15 pills left(100mg m eslon) and hope i can slowly come down....is this possible???? CAN ANYONE TELL ME????

[rosebuddy61]

I am detoxing from oxycodone for the umpteenth time. The Thomas Recipe works. But the L Tyrosene will make you skin get brown splotchy areas on your skin if you get out in the sun while taking it in high doses. Just an FYI

[benzee]

are kidney pains really normal??
i have been using paaz ( alprazolam) as sleeping pills since the past 4 years. and been mixing spasmo proxyvons quite often. The problem is metamphetamines . i take them too on somewhat daily basis. usually in the morning. after breakfast shall i say.
what i encounter is not somekind of RLS but rather kidney pains during detox. and talking about the Thomas recipe, i have just started it.
i dont think this will help at all.
can you like....give me anything that would reduce this pains during detox.

[flmagi]

Your posting on a very old thread. Start a new question to IBKleen at the top of this page where it says "post a question"

[slk714]

ok, found where i saw it. posted on thomas recipe, at the bottom on Aug 19, 2007, by frosty02631, if you look at the bottom he/she says the ingredients to help thru p.m. if this helps.
slk714

[nomore69]

don't get on suboxone or methadone!!! get trapped like everyone else.. If you do descide to try 1 of these.. only take like 1 or 2 suboxone for a few days and then just withdrawl.. or goto methadone clinic they will start you out at 30 mg.. go for like 3 - 4 days.. then just stop going TRUST ME. suboxone and methadone are both just traps

[nomore69]

i tried to quit herion for 3 years. I was using at least 100$ a day. I got on methadone.. tried suboxone. .clonidine.. everything.

I am now on day 20 of being clean. I didn't think I could ever do it. This is the way that I did it.
  
-Get yourself like 200 xanax, valium (strong benzo) (get a prescription and just keep them a month or 2.. or get ur own way.. order online?)
-Prescription from dr. for clonidine (help withdrawls.. a must)
-Good multivitamin (i think it helped me feel better)
-Muscle ache cream like bengay (village naturals natural muscle relief is the brand i used.. i got the lotion and the salts u put in bath.. check out the stuff they got at hardtofindbrands.com or just goto hi-health store, http://hardtofindbrands.com/cf/products_detail.cfm?ItemNum=5234&search=alpha)

-Access to massages/spa
-Ensure (health supplement drinks)
-Immodium (for the runs)

-L-tyrosine (tried this a few of the days.. take this if you want to feel like your tweeking out and need to get something done.. don't take this while on the benzo's)



Wake up drenched in sweat.. start off with like 4 .01MG clonidine and 6 1MG benzo's like xanax. Do whatever u can to not use until that **** starts to kick in. The xanax (when u take enough will not make you know what day.. time or year it is.. hell doing this method u can even drink beer while detoxing from herion.. start to feel like using..  down a fat tire or 2 and u will pass out no matter what. Wake up and repeat until your either our of benzo's or waking up normally. Make sure to not get yourself into any trouble while on all of those benzo's.. maybe have some body that is sober to limit you at like 20 - 30 a day..so 20 - 30 mg a day.. that's about how many i was going thru.. 4 - 6 1MG at a time.
Goto get a massage.. it's 50$.. that ain't **** and you will feel like a new person when you leave you will be suprised...or you can just slam a half gram and have nothing still... sit in the bath/spa all day **** it... Take the immodim as often as needed.. I would usually take 2 of them in the morning and they seemed to work pretty good. You won't feel like eating so drink the ensure's to get rid of the feeling of wanting to faint from no food/nutrition. Take 2 more clonidine during the day if you feel sweaty/stomach hurts.(the clonidine will help with the cold sweats so much).

Now the hard part about this is.. Don't get hooked on the benzo's. I gave my wallet, keys , credit cards, everything to my girlfriend so i wouldn't just take off and be an idiot like i've been alwayse.

You got to get that **** off your mind. Your not getting any. You can't get any. You won't get any. You duno why you feel sick. If you can think nothing about using.. don't think about needles.. get rid of all of them just flush them all so you have none laying around.. you will be to sick to goto Walmart and get new needles if you find cottons laying around and ****.. all that will do is prolong your withdrawling.. if you stick to the method I told you.. it will be quicker then u think.

Get support.. and just ******* do it... it feels good to not have to be constantly worrying about my ******* at least 50$ a day habit. good luck to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frosty02631]

I started taperin down from ultram a few weeks ago - from 10 per day - each 7 day period i go down one pill - i also do the L-tyrosine cocktail in the morning as follows:

4 - 500 mg l-tyrosine
1- 2 mg copper cap
1- 100 mg B6
1 - B complex
1- Vitamin that containes1000 mg calcium, 400 mg Magnesium and 15 mg Zinc
I also found that a B-12 Patch (once a week, as it is like getting a shot of B-12) helps - do a search for B-12 patch they are about $25.00 for a onths supply.

In the evening about a 1/2 hr b4 bedtime:

1- 400 mg Magnesium (helps leg pain and aide sleep)
1 - 50 Mg Niacin (helps sleep and detoxing)
1- 5-HTP that contains 5-HTP, 100 mg. Valareian)

Also found that eating  3 meals a day w/ sm fruit snacks in btwn helps
walking (if at all possible)
I myself thought abt taking too many vitamin supplements and then thought - jeez i take handfuls of pain medicatins without a thought!

in your post i see solonpas patches - what are those?

I hpe all goes well for yo two - it's not easy - thats for sure - but it can be done and she's lucky to have your support (that is so important)

[NautyOne]

03 oops.  gotta good laugh anyway

[NautyOne]

How much did Ga Guy pay you to post this.............lol

[Cakid]

I have spent the last few restless days looking at posts etc.. just found out wife has a loratab addiction. I need some help, she has been taking 7 10mg loratabs daily, down to 31/2 to 4 tabs aday now. she took 1 this morning and now we are starting home detox.  I have gone out and bought a grocery list but im afraid that i am going to over medicate her.  we have 4 xanax for emergencies.  i am not sure what i am in for. can anyone give me an idea what to expect day to day? i have the L-tyronine, B-6, Casium, Multi-Vit, Magneese/Zinc/Copper/ Phosphous, Imodium, water, gaterade, oranges, bananas, apples, fish oil, solonpas patches, valeian root, dark choc. Bynadryl, 5HTP, B-complex, Nyquil, Chammoile Tea, blue berries.  HELP! I seem to have everything just not sure where to start or what happens if i overlap things. How much and what do i give on day 1?  something on days 2-4?  how long with this last?  Nobody know whats going on.  I feel overwhelmed.   her last loratab was at 10AM its 3:30 now.  

[GentleMan Johnnie]

Why is this sight changing and what if anything will it turn into, anyone have a clue?? I kinda dig reading all your scribes and gain much insight from them and would definitely  miss it. Can I get an AMEN brothers and sisters, lol??

[FLaddict]

Wow you got on a post from 2003... don't know how that happened... anyway.. L-tyrosine is mainly for the sluggish no energy stuff... 5HTP  is for depression either need to be taken with B complex in order for them to absorb..  Also L-glutamine is a great one to add...


Hope this helps... If you need anything else I would post a new question and introduce yourself... the site recently had some changes and old posts are jumping to the top...

[lolohegs]

hi! i am new to this. I took vicoden for two weeks (pre wisdom teeth removal and post). I am a zombie and totally depressed. ITS BIZARRE. ive been trying to drink lots of water and after reading your posts just bought L-tyrosine. Its been a week since my last pill. Any other suggestions on how to speed up the w.drawl process? THANKS!

[MrsRat]

You will find the majority of the posters from MedHelp now at an EZboard forum started by Suzneedshelp and myself. The forum is at this URL:

http://pub177.ezboard.com/bpainaddictionwithdrawalhelpandsupport

If you don't have an EZboard account, sign up for a global account, then return the confirmation email you will get very quickly from EZboard, next use the URL above to join the forum. Put in your nickname and password, then you will be taken to your 'control center' window.  From there just click on the name of the forum up in the upper left hand corner of the window and it puts you into the forum where you can find all of us. We also have live chat there where we all go to relax and get silly together. We'd love to have you come join us.

You will find the Thomas Recipe and Thomas himself on the forum.  He is one of the forum Admin.  He will be able to answer any and all questions you have about his recipe. :) You will normally find me running around chasing after Thomas, trying to get a lick of that special Fentanyl hair gel he uses!  LOL.

[LYNN4727]

I also have just stumbled on here and really like what I see. I am sorry it will be gone soon.

I will be copying the thomas recipe and hope I am allowed to share it with others.I presently post generally at recoverybandits.com and a very frequent complaint we all have is the depression & lack of energy we all experience while trrying to detox. I have never heard of L-Tyrosine nor have a read it on any other  board. I know this information will help so many.

Good luck to all that are working to get our systems back up & running.

[miminla]

Hey!  I just found this site and can't believe it is going to be gone before I get started.  My sister is obviously addicted to Soma and Vicodin.  If someone in this area is saving emails to pass along a new area where you all are going to be, please add me to the list.  I am going to take an active role in getting my sister help.  I have had a child go through rehab and is drug free for two years now.  I am no stranger to what is involved here.  kathy.***@**** is where I will be.  I would love to know where you all land.  Sounds like you have some great advice and I know we are going to need all the help we can get.

[BadBackAndBeyond]

Figured I'd get this in before it closes down.  Frequent reader, first time poster.  I've been on vicoprofen for over a year for back nerve compression issues.  I want off now.  I've finally had enough.  I've been taking them for more fun than anything over the last 6 months (15 a day)and this has to stop.  2 would help the pain but 4 felt soooo good.  It's bad now though.  I'm taking them to exist.  No more fun, warm, dreamy feeling.  The last straw was dinner with my folks and I couldn't relax.  I was sweating uncontrollably and couldn't eat. Obviously not myself and I had my wife and folks very worried.  My wife knows I'm on them for pain but she doesn't know how out of control it has gotten.
  Trying the Thomas Recipe today.  I started to taper my vic's over the past two weeks. The terrible pain in my legs and back returned(2 previous back operations, bi-lateral sciatica).  I found some info on detoxing with Ultram.  I stopped the vic's on Monday and have been taking 6-8 ultrams a day in doses of 2 every 4 - 6 hours. This got me over the first 3 days of wd VERY easily.  It controlled the inevitible pain I get in my legs and back.  No leg restlessness at all.  The best part is, the ultram does nothing for me "recreationally".  I just feel normal.  No foggy, warm, narc feeling.  I just hope I can control my pain in more wholesome, natural ways.  Exercise, eat right, etc...
  I will taper the ultram for the next week while doing the Thomas recipe.  I've failed 6 previous times with dtox on my own.  Outside help is not an option.  I have to do it on my own.  This board, however, has been so helpful.  I know I am not alone in this and I know I will beat it.  Once you get a taste of what you used to feel like before the ****, you latch on to that and it gives you the drive to succeed.  Shame this board has to go away.  It looks like it's done so much good.  Good luck to y'all and THANK YOU.

[tonny13]

I saw your post just before I was getting ready to go to bed late last night. I sat down to drop you a few lines, had the whole bleeping thing typed out, my computer crashed and I lost it all!!!! Arrrgh I hate it when that happens. Anyway, I was so sleepy I had to give up, but I will write you later when I have a little more time.
BTW, there are other boards like this one, there are addresses to at least 2 or 3 different ones posted in several threads here, maybe try one out, they really do help a lot of people.
Looking forward to talking to you soon,
Tonya

[DMcCoy]

I just found this site today and I can't believe that after the 30th, I won't be able to come here. I don't know any of you, but I need you all very badly. I am addicted to Lortab and I am ready to quit. I have decided that, due to my job, I will hold off the withdrawals until Friday, June 27. I have been taking 80-100mg every day since January for a kidney stone that I finally had removed. The pain is gone, but I am scared to death of going through the withdrawals. I will post my email address. Will someone please write to me? I am really scared. I have already had a taste of the symptoms today and I thought I was going to go crazy waiting to get home to get a pill. I have printed out Thomas's recipe and will buy all of the ingredients tomorrow, but I really need some emotional support. My family is very understanding, but I am embarrassed to let them know how bad it really is for me. I would forever be grateful to have your support to! Please email me at: ***@**** Thank you!

[hippy]

the recipe worked well for me.
this is how i took it

L-tyrosine 500mgs 8 a day in the morning week 1. 4 a day weeks after.
b-6 100mgs 2 a day
calsium -magnisum
a strong multi vitamine
vitamine  A-E and C
magneese/ zinc/ copper/ phosphous
imodium for the runs
something for sleep week 1 (optional) xanax or valume taper
off it as the week progresses,
lots of water and or gatoraid in early part of the day for lost electrolites.
something for restles legs like a prescription of( cinemet)or
something in that order.
lots of hot bath at night week 1 for the restless leg and body
the more the better.
after week 1 try to start working out , exersize as much and as
hard as possible to get the natural endorphine s  up and working.
post as much as possible and keep in touch with the fourm members here  and anywhere else you can find support.

[skipper]

hey:
i have to admit i was flabergasted at how well this method works! WS Buroughs (in the novel "naked lunch") speaks of addiction as a "metabolic disorder," and this is one of the first truly effective methods for a person afflicted with opiate addiction to regain control of their life. make no doubt about it, this simple method is not easy, but very "doable!"
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[tonny13]

Well, since I seem to be the first one up on this Sunday morning, I guess I'll post it. I had it copied onto my computer and am using the vitamins from it as I taper and it is helping me immensely. This has worked wonders for many people. He also includes a disclaimer which I did not have pasted stating that he is not a doctor, just an opiate addict that after many years of experience he developed this and he also reccomends that you discuss the vitamins and use of benzos with a doctor. Everyone, I hope I stated the disclaimer correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.