Outstanding advice I have done everything on there and have made it to day 20. Today I feel very good. The only problem is I still don't have enough energy hope it will pass. I know I don
I started the Thomas recipe yesterday. Today will be day 1 of NO pain pills. I feel okay with the muscle aches & am feeling pretty peppy as of right this moment but my kidneys are killing me. Does anyone know if taking this much of vitamins/minerals/etc. can make the kidneys suffer? Or is it just another extremely painful withdrawal symptom? This really hurts & I know it's the kidneys but I WILL NOT go to the dr...don't have the willpower not to ask for pain meds yet.
i've never had any kidney trouble from taking vitames or amino acids. what you are probably feeling is muscle spasm in the low to mid back. this is one of the first symptoms of "jones" coming to visit. either baclofen (a neuro muscle relaxer) or a benzo such as valium, or both preferably. to be on the safe side, monitor your body temp for mid to high grade fever. w/d causes a slightly elavated body temp in some people, so if your temp is only slightly up, just keep an eye on it and do'nt worry. when jones comes to visit, he isn't going to bring along anthing to "feel good about!" that will be up to you! best of luck and god's speed....
keep an angel on your shoulder
Is there anything other than benzos I can take for this? Like I said, I don't want to go to the doc. I know I can do this. I've done it before, only this time, I'm doing it by choice.
lower back pain and kidney pain are normal
when you are just getting clean.
hot baths and a heating pad will help.
hot decaf green tea might help.
drink lots of liquids.
try to stay away from coffee, it will dehydrate you and may cause kidney pain.
L-tyrosine is available at GNC in 1000mg tabs. Its a few less pills to swollow so early in the A.M. :)
what will L-tyrosine do for you? How will it help?
L-tyrosine will help with depression,
it will also give you energy and help get you natraul endorphines back on like so you can start feeling normal.
when you take during week 1 of withdrawls which is very difficult and painfull the l -tyrosine sorta buffers out the pain so it is tolerable.
for anyone who has tried to go cold turkey with out the receipe,
they know how hard it is, and then when you go cold turkey with the receipe you can notice the vast difference.
the receipe for me made it possible to go cold tukey, where as
in the past without it , i had no sucess.
when taking the l-tyrosine you may want to ajust it , and take less.
i still take it , it helps with energy and pain.
I've been taking the L-Tyrosine for the last two mornings with a B-Complex pill that contains Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate), and the difference is amazing. I haven't taken any Hydro for 1 week now, but I have taken 3 .02 sublingual buprenorphine pills per day, scaled down to 1 per day now, so I think it's time I stop them.
Thomas's recipe is exactly what my I needed to feel more human and energetic. There is some information about L-Tyrosine @ http://www.thewayup.com/products/0094.htm - that's where I purchase my amino acids/vitamins/minerals.
Also, I have recently read a very inspirational story about a man who had to deal with H withdrawal - it's helped me immensely, as has this forum. http://www.acay.com.au/~narcosis/skinofteeth.htm
Also, I plan on getting some Sinemet. Mirapex is also another medicine for RLS (I have only heard of this, so this may not be as helpful as Sinemet).
Thanx for the info..20 days clean today, but I miss the energy the pills would give me.....Jack in Texas
re: L-Tyrosine [reposted]:
If you're doing a cold turkey detox off opiates such as Vicodin, wait until the more gross symptoms -- sweats, cramps, nausea, runs -- have stopped before using the L-Tyrosine. The thinking is this: In addition to dopamine, L-Tyrosine is metabolized into norepinephrin -- brain adrenalin. This works against your efforts to sedate yourself to ride out the initial withdrawal symptoms.
After acute withdrawal has abated, you're going to feel like a rancid mop -- total lack of physical, mental and emotional energy -- because of your dopamine, norepinephrin and endorphin (natural morphine) deficits. It's at this time that the L-Tyrosine with B6 will help you bring your own ass back to life.
Take a sufficient dose, and you'll feel the difference in less than 1 hour. And I mean really feel it -- not a placebo effect "feel-better" but an undeniable kick in the ass. If you're coming off a tall habit and feel absolutely brain dead, 3000 to 4000 mgs will lift the fog in 30 to 40 minutes. It's quite dramatic the first time you experience it. It's not like a caffeine wire, but more of a sudden clearing of the mind and a flood of confidence and optimism -- and physical energy.
It's this physical energy from L-Tyrosine that you need to put to work to get out of the house and into some kind of light aerobic activity, such as fast walking, bicycling, lap swim (or stair master and cross-country ski machine) -- whatever you can man
Miko: get some 5-HTP at the health food store. Take two at a time for sedation and sleep. It's safe and effective. It's not as effective as a benzo, of course, but it will help more than other OTC solutions.
i wrote this doing a opiate detox a year or so ago...for what ever it's worth....
coming along with jones
five days of rain and and all the other
stuff that always comes along with jones.
damp basements and bup 'but i
don't know where it's at or ever even was...
all i know is if you go far enough
along, and it's usually real soon enough too.
it will hit me in the guts, after watching
me from the basements shadows.
yeah it's been watching me, learning
carefully of my every fear and weakness- and
then it's five days of rain and all the other
stuff that comes along with jones!
keep an angel on your shoulder
I don't know what kind of kidney pain your talking about but if it's a thing where it hurts when you tinkle, or feel like you still have to, get some peridium. It's stuff to take for symptoms of a urinary track infection,or a kidney infection. It will numb your kidney and bladder. You get them at the pharmacy over the counter. It REALLY REALLY HELPS! Trust me! I don't know if I spelled it right but you pronounce it (per-id-y-um). It turns your pee orange, but your kidneys will feel a WHOLE LOT BETTER! hope this helped. KIMH
Horay for L-Tyrosine! I love the stuff! Not only does it give you energy and help your withdrawel, it helps you loose weight. I got worried that I was gonna gain weight because of my choclate & sugar cravings during wd's. I don't want to have to worry about that after. Question, you can take L-Tyrosine throughout the day right? But you can't keep taking the vitamin B6 more than once right? Oh, It helps with the sex drive too! Yum!KIMH
sorry about the last post...don't know what i did wrong there... everyone please excuse me!
kep an angel on your shoulder
my experience with L-Tyrosine says only one big dose in the morning. Subsequent doses seem to cause significant headaches, jitters and insomnia. B6 should accompany each dose to promote absorption. I suppose one might take a split dose and see what happens, but be prepared for those side effects.
When I use it, I feel it all day anyway.
Hi Kip! Good to hear from you, too. I filed your e-mail addy and I'll write you in the next day or so.
Thanks for the help everybody. I'm feeling okay. It's probably just w/d's but I've got a bad headache (like Thomas said of the tyrosene.) I did take 1500mg ltyrosene this morning, along with a b complex. I'll be purchasing a regular b-6 today. Took 1500mg more ltyrosene 30 minutes ago before reading all the posts. I'm trying to make it to the computer at least 3xs a day now. I'm a new mom & it's quite hard to do sometimes. I will say that if I didn't have an 8 month old, I'd be inpatient somewhere--sleeping! I don't even know what sleep is anymore. My daughter still wakes every 2 hours at night & GOD...WHY DID I WAIT SO LONG TO COME OFF THIS ****?! I'm gonna try the 5hp (?) & hope for the best at night. You are all so much help & I love you all for the caring you show to everyone who comes to these boards. I think I'll be here for awhile!
The 5-HTP is good stuff. It will definately relax you and help you sleep. It's not one of those supplements that don't seem to do a goddamn thing except drain your wallet. And you can take it any time of the day or night. Sorry bout the L-Tyrosine headache. The recipe calls for one dose per day, but I should include a conspicuous note warning about repeat doses.
5-HTP is metabolized into serotonin, some of which makes it into the brain. This gives 5-HTP sleep-inducing and anti-depressant properties. A Japanese study found that 5-HTP was as effective for depression as Zoloft. It's an amino acid related to the L-Trytophan that's activated when you warm milk. But 5-HTP is many times more potent.
You can take 100mg of 5-HTP 3 or four times a day while you detox. Standard dosing for depression is 100mgs 3 times a day. People usually start with 50mg and switch to 100mg once they're not experiencing much drowsiness. For your purposes, you need the extra sedation of 100mg doses. It may help bring you down from the L-Tyrosine tonight. Good luck.
Well, since I seem to be the first one up on this Sunday morning, I guess I'll post it. I had it copied onto my computer and am using the vitamins from it as I taper and it is helping me immensely. This has worked wonders for many people. He also includes a disclaimer which I did not have pasted stating that he is not a doctor, just an opiate addict that after many years of experience he developed this and he also reccomends that you discuss the vitamins and use of benzos with a doctor. Everyone, I hope I stated the disclaimer correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
i have to admit i was flabergasted at how well this method works! WS Buroughs (in the novel "naked lunch") speaks of addiction as a "metabolic disorder," and this is one of the first truly effective methods for a person afflicted with opiate addiction to regain control of their life. make no doubt about it, this simple method is not easy, but very "doable!"
keep an angel on your shoulder
the recipe worked well for me.
this is how i took it
L-tyrosine 500mgs 8 a day in the morning week 1. 4 a day weeks after.
b-6 100mgs 2 a day
a strong multi vitamine
vitamine A-E and C
magneese/ zinc/ copper/ phosphous
imodium for the runs
something for sleep week 1 (optional) xanax or valume taper
off it as the week progresses,
lots of water and or gatoraid in early part of the day for lost electrolites.
something for restles legs like a prescription of( cinemet)or
something in that order.
lots of hot bath at night week 1 for the restless leg and body
the more the better.
after week 1 try to start working out , exersize as much and as
hard as possible to get the natural endorphine s up and working.
post as much as possible and keep in touch with the fourm members here and anywhere else you can find support.
I just found this site today and I can't believe that after the 30th, I won't be able to come here. I don't know any of you, but I need you all very badly. I am addicted to Lortab and I am ready to quit. I have decided that, due to my job, I will hold off the withdrawals until Friday, June 27. I have been taking 80-100mg every day since January for a kidney stone that I finally had removed. The pain is gone, but I am scared to death of going through the withdrawals. I will post my email address. Will someone please write to me? I am really scared. I have already had a taste of the symptoms today and I thought I was going to go crazy waiting to get home to get a pill. I have printed out Thomas's recipe and will buy all of the ingredients tomorrow, but I really need some emotional support. My family is very understanding, but I am embarrassed to let them know how bad it really is for me. I would forever be grateful to have your support to! Please email me at: ***@**** Thank you!
I saw your post just before I was getting ready to go to bed late last night. I sat down to drop you a few lines, had the whole bleeping thing typed out, my computer crashed and I lost it all!!!! Arrrgh I hate it when that happens. Anyway, I was so sleepy I had to give up, but I will write you later when I have a little more time.
BTW, there are other boards like this one, there are addresses to at least 2 or 3 different ones posted in several threads here, maybe try one out, they really do help a lot of people.
Looking forward to talking to you soon,