when will the worst withdrawals kick in

[wantoffmeds]

i haven't taken any suboxone for 26 hours now. i don;t feel too bad. been numbing the cold sweats with alcohol- i know bad idea, but i am desperate here. i'm doing fine so far.

When will the worst of the wds kick in? When will the worst end?

My last dose of sub was 1 mg. If I can just kick it now I will, rather than tapering more.

Also, what happens if I just drink heavily for the next five days to ward of wds or some of them at least?

I am not a drinker by any means so don't worry about that. I'm just wondering if that is a viable plan.

Thanks!

[wantoffmeds]

ok i didn't make it. i made it 38 hours which is longer than I've ever gone without so far. Was horrible though. Unbelievable pain.

And thanks Tysonred for telling me you also began to withdrawal after 24 hrs because everyone is telling me i  won't feel them that soon, but I do. And I know what withdrawal feels like. I think I have a fast metabolism, so that could be why.

Only good thing about this is that I'm down to under 1 mg now, and that does the trick and more for withdrawals.

And Salsinator, you said medically assisted detox was a good decision. Why? What did they do for you?

[TysonRed]

Just for information purposes I could feel the w/d effects after 24hrs without sub, I literally needed every morning just to get out of bed. That was the problem was that I became just as addicted to sub as any other opiate. Our bodies metabolize at different rates, so for some it may take 3-5days before they feel anything, but I felt it after missing my first dose, but for sure those day 3-5 were the toughest. Regardless of worrying about which day is the worse or how long its gonna last, you just have to stay determined to stick it out,  you can do this and trust me the end result is so worth the temporary struggles. Take Care!

[TysonRed]

When I came off suboxone my worst days were 3-7, then the wd's did lessen up a bit. In total it was about 2wks before I felt somewhat normal again. I had tapered down to about .25mgs before I quit, so a 1/4 of what you went off of. The thing is were all different in how we each experience withdrawals, some have said they hardly had any problems when coming off sub, while others had a pretty rough go of it. For me it wasnt too bad, Ive been through worse with methadone or oxycontin, but suboxone was no joke. I would have to agree with most that drinking isnt the best idea, adding a hangover into the w/d's will only make things worse. I know you'll feel a little better while your drinking but theres no easy way to bypass the withdrawals. Just try and be as positive as possible, its going to be tough but the actual wd's could be a motivating factor for the future to remind you not to put yourself in this position again. I wish you all the best, feel free to ask as many questions as you need to. I would really re-consider the whole alcohol thing, thats not a good idea. Good luck, take care.

[salsinator]

All the comments here are correct.  Even though 1 mg does not sound like alot, there is a cumulative effect with suboxone since the half life is so long.  That means that you still have a few mg in your system, even though your last dose was only one mg.  Most people taper down to just crumbs before completely quitting.  I went through a medically assisted detox for suboxone because I could not taper on my own - it was the best decision I have ever made.  However, if you still have enough to taper, keep cutting down by 1/4 dose every other day.  Then, try skipping a day between doses before you actually stop altogether.  The alcohol thing - bad choice - been there, done that.  In the long run, it will make you feel much worse, esspecially when the hangover kicks in.  The meds in the Thomas Recipe are different from alcohol and are commonly used with a medical detox.  Best word of advise with suboxone is take it slow. Keep going, you will get there.

[worried878]

In actuality a sub user who has been on the drug shouldnt feel wds day 1 in the first place...so ur drinking may be a waste of time..it takes a few days to feel it...not really a week to start feeling aa bit of wd...but in 72 hrs it will usually hit u in some way...if u have been on sub for any length of time day 1 is a breeze anyway so dont think the alcohol is making u skip wds...theyre just not there yer....byy 3 days u may feel the impact...some say they have lil wd from sub...keep posting and see how u do..keep moving forward

[buprenex]

You feel like hell because you not coming down by half of your 1mg dose you take daily but rather you have elimanated about half of your 4 to 5 mg of sub in the blood in 31 hours which is almost 37 hours. That is a big jump but does not seem like a big jump to you at first since you where considering or thinking  your just coming down from 1mg of sub in your blood.. But your  coming down from a larger dose, which was larger that you thought and it hurts. At 31 hours your not down .5mg but rather your down or have eliminated half of say 4mg which is 2mg with 2mg left over. It is a ten day chart I think. Your frist day still is left over in a small amount on the 10 tenth day. Then the second becomes the first day with same left over. Each day after 10 days of taking you add on the tenth day what left over each of the ten days, each day contributing to less, but in the end it add up to 1mg being like 5mg. This all rough number but are accurate enough to get the picture. That not so clearly said. I WILL try again if you wish. It is rusty info in my head.

[wantoffmeds]

thanks buprenex. I never thought about the 7 to ten time delay thing. so there is prob more in my blood. But why do I feel like hell after only 31 hours or so? Especially if the half life is supposed to be 37 hours?

[buprenex]

The medication you are using has what is called a long half life. The half life for Vicodin is 4 to 6 HRS.  Something like that. Your Sub/Buprenex is at 37 hours. Because of that taking 1 mg a day will build up to be more than 1 mg each day in your blood. It adds what is left from day 1 through day 7-10 and may equal something like 3to4 mg in your system. Your not detoxing from 1mg you are really detoxing from 3 to 5 times that amount. If you think you can make it then do it. But in a taper at least you reduce the 3 to 4 mg in your blood by very slowly reducing the to from less than your 1mg. Their is a major time delay in all of this dosing and detoxing you can see that now. This should help you understand better, and help it from being at least msyterious.

[wantoffmeds]

ok maybe the alcohol in place of sub wasn;t the best idea, but it has helped so far. i feel like **** after about 31 hours already,and some of you say the worst wds don't start for a week?! God please tell me that's false.

But the Thomas recipe involves valium or kolonopin, and from my understanding, both give you the same effect as alcohol, without the drinking part.

I def. see where dehydration would be a concern, especially involving alcohol.  

Now I'm not sure what to do. I am going to go as long as I can without anything though.

[worried878]

u r 26 hrs in...and yes many taper to less than 1 mg of sub as it packs some power..but u r 26 hrs in...going back to start a taper from 1 mg may not be a good idea as u want to stop now,,and it is do-able..many wanna get off sub and feel nuttin..most often that is not the case...if u think u r ready now and will not relapse to ur doc then go for it...have u done the work u need to do?? are u mentally ready to face the world without narcs?  people r misled into think subhas no wd and is not true..tapering is  hard for an addict...sub is a narcotic so it is also hard to taper from..sposedly when an addict tapers off sub they r ready...r u?  only u know these things..and aftercare is imperitive....u can do this..read thru the health pages and keep posting

[avisg]

First off it can take up to a week before wd gets bad .As for the heavily drinking to get threw wd is addictive behavior probably wont help and I have known many that have uttered the same words you did "I have never liked alcohol I wont have a problem with it "  then crossing addicting.
Eat well try to get some exercise look at the "Thomas recipe" and the "amnio acid protocol " The things there are going to help you so much more then drinking heavily.

[buprenex]

Well, your on 1MG and if I remember correct the is equal to a vial .324mg of Buprenex. That is no a lot, but it is also a lot. Less is more with Buprenex it has been said. Anyway the withdrawls will hit you about 3 or 4 days. It depends greatly on how long you have been on Buprenex. It could be a doable jump or it could be a big jump. It seems better to a slow taper from here. But for me, I never done well tapering Buprenex and a lot are the same. I do not want to see you get real sick then end up on a higher dose than you are. That happens. Be Carefull. The drinking does not sound good. Take liquid foods ensure,goodies asprin/with alka seltzer for pain. Sneak some imdium in will act as is an opiate can help you w/d. 12mg max. There are other meds to get to help you. Just get better prepared. Then get off.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

Thats an absolutely awful plan. For one thing you may well have some wd's for several weeks from the sub. For another the substances (alcohol/sub) hit different receptors in your brain and you will just be in withdrawal and drunk. Many taper sub down to 1/4 mg doses and then do that low a dose every other and then every third day at the end......... better do a lot of homework pretty fast before you make too many plans........you can find a lot in the medhelp archives via search engine.