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Question about Pain Management
I've been giving this a lot of thought. Because opiate withdrawal is not life threatening, doctors are handing these things out like candy. Yes, you get that little pamphlet advising you that these drugs can be addictive. The truth is that these drugs were never intended for long term use. I think it would only take a few minutes out of a doctors time to show you a short video of what these drugs can do over prolong use.........addiction and dependence is a very fine line and showing a short video of what one will suffer as a result of prolonged use (watching someone suffer withdrawal) as a possibility may make the patient make alternative choices.
There is no reason that I can see for doctors to be prescribing medications that at one time were strictly for patients on their death beds.........virtually nobody reads those pamphlets anyway, so where does the responsibility lie?.......If you are informed correctly, then your doctor can accept no blame.
Nauty
There is no reason that I can see for doctors to be prescribing medications that at one time were strictly for patients on their death beds.........virtually nobody reads those pamphlets anyway, so where does the responsibility lie?.......If you are informed correctly, then your doctor can accept no blame.
Nauty
Just because you think or say your not addicted or not an addict doesnt mean you arent. Your either in denial or havent taken the meds long enough. Bottom line is being dependent is basically the same as addicted. If you cannot stop taking it your addicted, regarldess of why. For anyone to jump so quick to flame someone else of their opinion must obviously mean it struck a nerve and you feel a reason to defend yourself. Everyone neds to be real with theirselves. Its ridiculous for someone to say its okay for them to take them but the next person isnt. Come on now!
that wold be cord impingement along with the moderate and severe.......ah. had to throw that in.......off to the ER...... take care.......
I give up. It appears I am not the brick wall. And, I never was never accused of being a drug seeker. I was having problems at work and PAIN. I went to see the doctor and was given Ibuprofen and it barely helped. I went back and they upped it to darvocet. I believe my symptoms and the fact that they were not getting better warranted at least an X-ray?....no. Almost 6 months later I tried what I call alternative medicine and went to see a Chiro. That's when I found out my entire cervical spine is completely herniated EVERY DISC with 1 with moderate and the other moderate to severe. Please don't imply that I don't feel pain. I do require surgery, but it is my choice Not to have it.
I do not enjoy........not being able to use my upper extremities for any long period of time, nor do I not enjoy Not being able to wear high heel shoes because my whole left side is numb and in pain, which affects my gait, and will stumble or fall, which has happened only to hurt myself more. I don't enjoy not enjoying life sitting on the sideline because I can't play with the rest of the kids...maybe you don't understand how not being able to wear a pair of nice sexy shoes..... a woman affects me!
I can't lift, stand, sit or squat for any period of time without being in misery. I take neurontin and advil, Ibuprofen......BY CHoice because all the doc's want to do is raise that dose. No way! not for me.
Please just read my posts before you misquote or misinterpret what I am saying. I think I made my argument as I see and feel, and there's nothing wrong with that....Is there?
nauty..........I hope this is somewhat readable......as I am sick as a dog and half asleep......read your post and had to respond. Now I am off to the ER.....lol. Good Lord!
Peace
Nauty.............
I do not enjoy........not being able to use my upper extremities for any long period of time, nor do I not enjoy Not being able to wear high heel shoes because my whole left side is numb and in pain, which affects my gait, and will stumble or fall, which has happened only to hurt myself more. I don't enjoy not enjoying life sitting on the sideline because I can't play with the rest of the kids...maybe you don't understand how not being able to wear a pair of nice sexy shoes..... a woman affects me!
I can't lift, stand, sit or squat for any period of time without being in misery. I take neurontin and advil, Ibuprofen......BY CHoice because all the doc's want to do is raise that dose. No way! not for me.
Please just read my posts before you misquote or misinterpret what I am saying. I think I made my argument as I see and feel, and there's nothing wrong with that....Is there?
nauty..........I hope this is somewhat readable......as I am sick as a dog and half asleep......read your post and had to respond. Now I am off to the ER.....lol. Good Lord!
Peace
Nauty.............
You still don't get the difference, as shown by:
"You were rejected or referred to "Pain Management" because they thought you were a drug seeker."
That's a load of bull-****, plain and simple. If you were a drug seeker, why on earth would doctors send you to a place likely to use opiates as a treatment for pain? My doctor sent me there because after 2 years of many doctors and attempted treatments, the problem couldn't be fixed.
Being on opiates for a long time does NOT make one an addict, you need to learn the difference. You can become dependent on the INTERNET, or COFFEE too! Dependence will happen with these drugs, but it's way, way different than full blown addiction.
Also to say you can stretch and take Ibuprofen and be fine, and seem to expect that of others is laughable....don't you think most have tried that? Sorry hun, it doesn't work. 8 different Physical Therapy places didn't work either. Surgery didn't work. If there was a simple fix to our pain, we'd have done it. Opiods are a last resort to be able to live your life, and that by no means makes you an addict. Would you say someone on blood pressure meds to stay healthy is an addict?
Just because you've seen a doctor prescribe too much means nothing. I know a woman who's crashed 4 vehicles, does that mean most women crash cars? No. When I got 4 impacted wisdom teeth removed I got TEN Percocets, and I had to take 2 at a time for any relief and they refused any more!
So please, stop imposing your opinions and worldview and thinking that's how everything works. It isn't.
"You were rejected or referred to "Pain Management" because they thought you were a drug seeker."
That's a load of bull-****, plain and simple. If you were a drug seeker, why on earth would doctors send you to a place likely to use opiates as a treatment for pain? My doctor sent me there because after 2 years of many doctors and attempted treatments, the problem couldn't be fixed.
Being on opiates for a long time does NOT make one an addict, you need to learn the difference. You can become dependent on the INTERNET, or COFFEE too! Dependence will happen with these drugs, but it's way, way different than full blown addiction.
Also to say you can stretch and take Ibuprofen and be fine, and seem to expect that of others is laughable....don't you think most have tried that? Sorry hun, it doesn't work. 8 different Physical Therapy places didn't work either. Surgery didn't work. If there was a simple fix to our pain, we'd have done it. Opiods are a last resort to be able to live your life, and that by no means makes you an addict. Would you say someone on blood pressure meds to stay healthy is an addict?
Just because you've seen a doctor prescribe too much means nothing. I know a woman who's crashed 4 vehicles, does that mean most women crash cars? No. When I got 4 impacted wisdom teeth removed I got TEN Percocets, and I had to take 2 at a time for any relief and they refused any more!
So please, stop imposing your opinions and worldview and thinking that's how everything works. It isn't.
You know it's funny how your post provoked a silly thought, but relevant. I laugh at my mother when she uses mild salsa.......it is not hot to me at all. If she were to use the salsa I use, she would be screaming FIRE.
Like you stated our anatomy is the same. Two people may have the same injury, but who can determine the level of pain they feel. Only that individual. We all have different pain thresholds and that's where the issue may lie, and how can any individual (doctor) determine this, so that is where the gray area is. Some things are just obvious, but the human body is so complex, and when we start getting into diagnosis what does a physician rely on ?.....he/she can't. I am not talking about the addict that goes to the streets, steals, and harms others in order to get a fix. That's a whole different ballpark and I think that is where I was being so misunderstood. The stereotype, or stigma that goes along with the word "Addict" ...Well, I don't have to go into that, but that was what I was referring to when I stated that I felt there were many addicts in the pain management forum "sugarcoating" . When you take addictive drugs you can get addictive, and I feel if you take them for any length of time...you are an addict, and that doesn't make you bad. There are are degrees to addiction and if you are dependent then your good, if your addicted......your bad, and that's just not true, and that's the point I was trying to make. Nobody has a problem saying they are a coffee, chocolate, or even smoking........why are those joked about and ok to talk and laugh about, but saying I'm addicted to medication "taboo" that's my point. Period. Just get real. There is shame in admitting being addicted to meds., but not the others, which makes me feel that person is feeling shame and guilt within themselves.
It took me so long to get over the depression that I am not going to be the same, or be able to do the same things. I was miserable. I find the things that didn't work for me when I was on pills work for me now......why? because I was introduced to the drugs first before the other options. Now the other options take effort and time. We live in an instant gratification world. To put it frankly........We are lazy. My point being that it is so much faster to pop a pill then to decompress, use the tens, and use good posture and common sense. We are dealt the cards and we have to work with it. If I knew nothing of the narcotic's and was given the other options, what I didn't know that came in pill form probably would have worked because I would have not known any better.
I am not saying that people don't need pain meds. for certain conditions.....please. But, they are handed out like candy. I've seen it. Dr's and even Dentists who will refill for minor procedures for months or who knows how long. Many don't give a ****....I had a root canal and got vicodin refills for 2 months?.......I just did it for someone else, but he kept refilling???.......that's what ticks me off, and because they know you can't die from withdrawal.........they don't give rats a$$
My doctor initially was going to prescribe me Oxy before trying something less potent ....I refused and then he gave me darvocet and I was still in pain, but it was tolerable.
I think so much is mental. When we are told we have a disease, esp. degenerate disc disease, which most of us have or will have.....and don't find out until we get injured. I think it causes depression......"I have a disease".......and it gives us even more reason to tell ourselves its ok to pop pills.
Not meant to tick anyone off. Just expressing myself because as you said Jan, this is a fire issue for me.
Nauty..............
Like you stated our anatomy is the same. Two people may have the same injury, but who can determine the level of pain they feel. Only that individual. We all have different pain thresholds and that's where the issue may lie, and how can any individual (doctor) determine this, so that is where the gray area is. Some things are just obvious, but the human body is so complex, and when we start getting into diagnosis what does a physician rely on ?.....he/she can't. I am not talking about the addict that goes to the streets, steals, and harms others in order to get a fix. That's a whole different ballpark and I think that is where I was being so misunderstood. The stereotype, or stigma that goes along with the word "Addict" ...Well, I don't have to go into that, but that was what I was referring to when I stated that I felt there were many addicts in the pain management forum "sugarcoating" . When you take addictive drugs you can get addictive, and I feel if you take them for any length of time...you are an addict, and that doesn't make you bad. There are are degrees to addiction and if you are dependent then your good, if your addicted......your bad, and that's just not true, and that's the point I was trying to make. Nobody has a problem saying they are a coffee, chocolate, or even smoking........why are those joked about and ok to talk and laugh about, but saying I'm addicted to medication "taboo" that's my point. Period. Just get real. There is shame in admitting being addicted to meds., but not the others, which makes me feel that person is feeling shame and guilt within themselves.
It took me so long to get over the depression that I am not going to be the same, or be able to do the same things. I was miserable. I find the things that didn't work for me when I was on pills work for me now......why? because I was introduced to the drugs first before the other options. Now the other options take effort and time. We live in an instant gratification world. To put it frankly........We are lazy. My point being that it is so much faster to pop a pill then to decompress, use the tens, and use good posture and common sense. We are dealt the cards and we have to work with it. If I knew nothing of the narcotic's and was given the other options, what I didn't know that came in pill form probably would have worked because I would have not known any better.
I am not saying that people don't need pain meds. for certain conditions.....please. But, they are handed out like candy. I've seen it. Dr's and even Dentists who will refill for minor procedures for months or who knows how long. Many don't give a ****....I had a root canal and got vicodin refills for 2 months?.......I just did it for someone else, but he kept refilling???.......that's what ticks me off, and because they know you can't die from withdrawal.........they don't give rats a$$
My doctor initially was going to prescribe me Oxy before trying something less potent ....I refused and then he gave me darvocet and I was still in pain, but it was tolerable.
I think so much is mental. When we are told we have a disease, esp. degenerate disc disease, which most of us have or will have.....and don't find out until we get injured. I think it causes depression......"I have a disease".......and it gives us even more reason to tell ourselves its ok to pop pills.
Not meant to tick anyone off. Just expressing myself because as you said Jan, this is a fire issue for me.
Nauty..............
We hear you, you're not invisible. I love the way you express yourself. I'm sure others appreciate your style too.
Nick
Nick
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