Hi. Guess nobody with your readings is watching the board. Since the AM result has been low more than once, that likely eliminates a fluke test result. Does your Endo have a rep for diagnosing the full spectrum of adrenal problems, or just Addison's and Cushing's? Is there a clinic within a couple hours of driving that uses a holistic approach? If you want to stick with traditional medicine, is there a clinic that sees a gob lot of adrenal patients every day? Most Endo's see patients with all kinds of glandular problems. Maybe one who sees nothing but adrenal problems would more be more likely to correctly diagnose and treat you. Read Sick and Tired, by Robert O. Young, PhD, study pH, read about Olive Leaf Extract (Walker), and consider a live blood cell test (ask at the best health food store in town). It clearly sounds as though you're going to have to wrestle this bear yourself, and actively advocate for answers. I have no patience with drs who don't discuss test results (other than standard tests) and ramifications with me very quickly. I'd be looking at sharing what info you now have with yet another specialist. Good luck. Get back to us and tell us what happens.
It sounds like what I had due to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ---- secondary adrenal insufficiency. In my case, my cortisol level was low... but my ACTH level was normal (one point lower and I would have been diagnosed with Addison's disease). My ACTH stimulation test had some abnormally low cortisol levels in there.
Can you get a copy of your lab results for me ? The reason why is Endocrinologists can often misinterpret ACTH stimulation results, especially if they don't treat CFS patients.
Thank you for your response. I will most definitely take your advice and move forward. Before "firing" the present Endo, I will get the ACTH test results along with all lab results ordered. With three test results indicating very low cortisol, my concern would be is if the pituitary gland is producing enough ACTH, however I have also read that the test interpreter can be the problem and also the lab that conducts the ACTH test can make errors most often. So, as you said, I have to take on this bear and tackle it proactively. Your recommendations on the readings and the other tests are what I needed to jump start where to go from here. I know there is a problem, and believe this is what is keeping me from fighting the "virus" that has now been active in my peripheral nervous system for 3 years. Unfortunately, I am now on disability for a year and I have had to do constant research as the doctors are not getting the job done. If it wasn't for a blood test I requested in the first place to prove a point, there would have been no discovery on the cortisol. In fact (2) doctors totally ignored/overlooked the cortisol low levels. I am the one who found it and started reading and asking questions. It's unfortunate our time and money along with Insurance Carriers host a ground for these doctors who show neglect far beyond what I could ever have time to discuss and goes much farther than my cortisol levels.
How is ACTH tested? is it saliva test too?
I have read that ACTH will be at its highest level in the morning and lowest at night.
Salivary cortisol tests would be highest in the morning and lowest at night. Sadly. ACTH cannot yet be tested via saliva yet.
ACTH pulses all the time - there is no time range for it.
ACTH is very subject to lab error - most techs do not handle it well. I get 800 point drops in mine. You have to watch what they do and ask them to do it correctly 98% of the time. It should be in a chill EDTA tube, spun immediately after the draw, and frozen as soon as the centrifuge stops.
Even if you "passed" the stim test, you could later have problems. You could be borderline. Did you get a copy of the tests? Always get copies.
My cortisol levels were 6 in the morning and the ACTH was 10. which is kinda low. but still in the normal range. (i hate ranges) I had the stimulation test,
morning cortisol at 7am 6 after medication 30 minutes - 18 1hr- 20. the doctor said that i responded ok to the test but I have read in several places if you start out w/. a low cortisol and if it does n't go up by at least 20 points it is your adrenals.
my endo said that if it was only 19 then he would of started me on medication. He is crazy. my GP doc said forget him and is sending me to a real endo guy.
my appointment is not until the end of the month but i can't wait to see what he will do. I have been taking adrenal support from a natural food store and a thyroid helper and I do feel so much better. Not a 100% but at least i can get up to go to work. so good luck to you.
Based on your initial ACTH level, it does appear somewhat low. The first cortisol level is definately low. The first rise tripled, and the 60min was still in the triple range. I would say you definately need Cortisol because it looks like you have secondary adrenal insufficieny. Your adrenals appear to respond, but the ACTH level isn't very high at all. Like you, I orginally took adrenal support which was adrenal extract and it helped quite a bit. But if you are short cortisone, there is nothing that helps except steroid replacement.
Watch for low blood sugars as the can set off an adrenal crisis also.
Can anyone explain the normal cortisol levels I had a 24 -Urine Cortisol run at Lar Corp and I have no idea not understand the terms they used? I believe my Adrenals are very low.
24 hour urine tests are usually done to test for elevated cortisol. You have to get a copy of the lab to know the results.