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Fatigue

Anyone have luck fighting fatigue without meds?  Pain... massage used to help but now it sets of more spasm.
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1830047 tn?1321667793
Thanks Niko.  I haven't followed up on anything as of right now; mostly bc of financial reasons.  I haven't forgotten about your information and I'll add this to what I need to check.

Thanks much!
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1530171 tn?1448129593
I realize that I had already submitted my reply. So my post script is attached to the same one and sent again. I hope you find it of value.
Regards,
Niko
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1530171 tn?1448129593
Toss out any synthetic or of questionable sources supplements.
They do not help, they contribute to peoples health issues.
For vitamin D, many people have an assimilation problem.
To be certain, take an emulsified form of vitamin D, for superior absorption and assimilation.

Some References FYI :

Norman AW. Vitamin D. In: Brown ML (Editor). Present Knowledge in Nutrition. Sixth Edition. Washington: International Life Sciences Institute Nutrition Foundation; 1990. P.108-116
Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and safety. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 May;69(5):842-56 Available on-line at http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/69/5/842.pdf on March 29, 2004
Holick MF. Vitamin D deficiency: what a pain it is. Mayo Clin Proc. 2003 Dec;78(12):1457-9
Al Faraj S, Al Mutairi K. Vitamin D deficiency and chronic low back pain in Saudi Arabia. Spine. 2003 Jan 15;28(2):177-9
Plotnikoff GA, Quigley JM. Prevalence of severe hypovitaminosis D in patients with persistent, nonspecific musculoskeletal pain. Mayo Clin Proc. 2003 Dec;78(12):1463-70
Lansdowne AT, Provost SC. Vitamin D3 enhances mood in healthy subjects during winter. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 1998 Feb;135(4):319-23
Yamashita H, Noguchi S, Takatsu K, Koike E, Murakami T, Watanabe S, Uchino S, Yamashita H, Kawamoto H. High prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in Japanese female patients with Graves' disease. Endocr J. 2001 Feb;48(1):63-9
Huisman AM, White KP, Algra A, Harth M, Vieth R, Jacobs JW, Bijlsma JW, Bell DA. Vitamin D levels in women with systemic lupus erythematosus and fibromyalgia. J Rheumatol. 2001 Nov;28(11):2535-9
Van den Berghe G, Van Roosbroeck D, Vanhove P, Wouters PJ, De Pourcq L, Bouillon R. Bone turnover in prolonged critical illness: effect of vitamin D. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Oct;88(10):4623-32
"I Have Tested Nearly 2,000 Patients. [W]hen we switched our patients to a vitamin D that was in a form that made it easier to absorb - their vitamin D levels normalized very rapidly.   Biotics Lab called Bio-D-Mulsion  it is micro-emulsified for even greater absorption and utilization." Mercola J. Bio-D-Mulsion (Emulsified Vitamin D): March 25, 2004.

Hope this helps to make a difference.
Have you looked into the other items from my original post?
Malic acid, CoQ10 supplementation and carb restriction are some of the top ones for fatigue issues.
It's important to appreciate the good moments (days) in life too!
That is good you're doing it.
Blessings
Niko

P.S. I just asked my wife to do the Pulse Test (by Dr. Arthur Coca),
for an issue that she's having with her digestion.
There's a  section in this program about Fatigue.
OMG, how did I miss this one in my reply?
But as they say, "there isn't such a thing as a coincidence".
You will find this very educational!
The book is  Public Domain, just do a search for Dr. Coca's Pulse Test
and download it for free.
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1530171 tn?1448129593
Toss out any synthetic or of questionable sources supplements.
They do not help, they contribute to peoples health issues.
For vitamin D, many people have an assimilation problem.
To be certain, take an emulsified form of vitamin D, for superior absorption and assimilation.

Some References FYI :

Norman AW. Vitamin D. In: Brown ML (Editor). Present Knowledge in Nutrition. Sixth Edition. Washington: International Life Sciences Institute Nutrition Foundation; 1990. P.108-116
Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and safety. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 May;69(5):842-56 Available on-line at http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/69/5/842.pdf on March 29, 2004
Holick MF. Vitamin D deficiency: what a pain it is. Mayo Clin Proc. 2003 Dec;78(12):1457-9
Al Faraj S, Al Mutairi K. Vitamin D deficiency and chronic low back pain in Saudi Arabia. Spine. 2003 Jan 15;28(2):177-9
Plotnikoff GA, Quigley JM. Prevalence of severe hypovitaminosis D in patients with persistent, nonspecific musculoskeletal pain. Mayo Clin Proc. 2003 Dec;78(12):1463-70
Lansdowne AT, Provost SC. Vitamin D3 enhances mood in healthy subjects during winter. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 1998 Feb;135(4):319-23
Yamashita H, Noguchi S, Takatsu K, Koike E, Murakami T, Watanabe S, Uchino S, Yamashita H, Kawamoto H. High prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in Japanese female patients with Graves' disease. Endocr J. 2001 Feb;48(1):63-9
Huisman AM, White KP, Algra A, Harth M, Vieth R, Jacobs JW, Bijlsma JW, Bell DA. Vitamin D levels in women with systemic lupus erythematosus and fibromyalgia. J Rheumatol. 2001 Nov;28(11):2535-9
Van den Berghe G, Van Roosbroeck D, Vanhove P, Wouters PJ, De Pourcq L, Bouillon R. Bone turnover in prolonged critical illness: effect of vitamin D. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Oct;88(10):4623-32
"I Have Tested Nearly 2,000 Patients. [W]hen we switched our patients to a vitamin D that was in a form that made it easier to absorb - their vitamin D levels normalized very rapidly.   Biotics Lab called Bio-D-Mulsion  it is micro-emulsified for even greater absorption and utilization." Mercola J. Bio-D-Mulsion (Emulsified Vitamin D): March 25, 2004.

Hope this helps to make a difference.
Have you looked into the other items from my original post?
Malic acid, CoQ10 supplementation and carb restriction are some of the top ones for fatigue issues.
It's important to appreciate the good moments (days) in life too!
That is good you're doing it.
Blessings
Niko
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1830047 tn?1321667793
I'm taking vits and rx D AND tryiong to eat organic.  I believe in rest, too.  I go through at least three types of fatigue: normal tired, fall asleep while doing something, and the waves of fatigue that say lye down or prepare to fall.  Don't know if others exp thes but it's hard to explain otherwise.  However, I'm luck enough to have a  few good days too.  Not many, but they are precious.
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I take vitamins everyday and it has helped a lot. I get mine through birkgrove.com they specialize in fibromyalgia. There are 8 vitamin in a pack and they sale them on an individual basis and two month supply. They can mail them.
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773755 tn?1328119777
good luck - i think the key is adequate rest. people will disagree but i think if rest is helping and not hurting, DO this! if it for whatever reason it is harmful, well, then don't. we are no longer pictures of health, so what might look like a lot of rest for a well person, is minimum req for our bodies
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1830047 tn?1321667793
Thanks.  I'll what I can try off of your list.  I already use breathing exc's for pain and it def helps.  Just going through a bad patch and can't (don't want to) take pain meds.
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1530171 tn?1448129593
Hey Buffy1970.
Great question. This one is up my alley.
Most members in the fibro and autoimmune community share common traits. Fatigue and pain are so prevalent.
  5-pertinent to fibro and AI- factors.
FATIGUE/LACK OF ENERGY/ b'cause                                            
1. Inhibited mitochondrial function.
2. Neuro-muscular toxicity.
3. Metabolic dysfunction for energy conversion
4. Overwhelming Multiple Energy demands (Processes dealing with pain,
inflammation, lack of sleep, imbalances,deficiencies, heavy metals etc)
5. Stress and emotions.
SOLUTION
1. CoQ10 (water soluble type)
2. Malic Acid (helps with pain and fatigue)
3. Limit consumption of carbs (specially simple sugars and refined foods)
4. Hypnotherapy for pain, sleep issues. Nutritional supplementation, Detox
for heavy metals.
5. Energy psychotherapy, EFT, remove causes of stress,.

General fatigue busters: Extra Virgin Coconut Oil 2-3T daily, Pranayama
deep breathing 5 minute sessions multiple times daily, light exercise (walking, swimming, trampoline is best if able to do ) ample filtered water.
Natural  pain killers: DMSO, white willow bark powder, Hypnotherapy.

There are numerous other holistic remedies and methods available.
  I have personally used and tried most of the above suggestions as well as most members of my Wellness and Holistic Club.
My advice does not constitute professional consultation.
Blessings to all,
Nikodicreta
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