ORAL HIV transmission

[Stupid_in_rio]

Hi,

I just came back from Rio de Jeneiro.  While I was down there I engaged with a hand full of working girls with protected vaginal intercourse.

From two different girls I RECEIVED and GAVE unprotected oral sex. I went to the dentist about 2 months ago and have no gum disease.  I asked the girls if they get tested, they said yes.  I have read Brazillian girls are highly educated on safe sex and Brazil is a model of stabalizing HIV.

I have done research and what I have read the there is minimal risks of acuiring HIV by receiving oral but a slightly higher one by giving to a female. It seems like no one knows the risks of oral transmission

Based on my criteria:
1) no gum disease
2) protected vaginal intercourse
3) asked if girls get tested
4) Brazillian working girls educated on STD's
5) low risk of transmission via oral
6) two different girls

I know I should get tested for others such as herpes, syphliss, etc.  

Should I get tested and should I be worried about HIV?
Is it true that Brazillian working girls are educated?

[WorriedUS]

Stupid_in_rio,

Go down to a thread that is listed in this HIV support forum titled, "cunnilingus" by - robespierre on 11/03/2006.  That's a really good thread.  

Cunnilingus is so low risk it hasn't even been clinically studied for HIV transmission rates, at least that I or Doc H knows of, especially in his 30+ years of clinical STD study.

But it is EXTREMELY low risk, both giving AND receiving.

Conversely, type in the search field of this web site, "oral sex HIV", "HIV transmission".  There are SO MANY threads on oral sex and oral sex and HIV in medhelp.org, it's not even funny.  

Also, check out this table.

http://ww2.aegis.org/pubs/mmwr/2005/r402a1t1.gif

Good luck!

-WorriedUS

[Stupid_in_rio]

Thanks Worried,

The posting are definelty helping out my anxiety.  I do have one more question.  During my trip, I was getting sudden urges to pee all the time with a slight irritation at the pee hole before I peed. (after the incidents)  I have had a minor UTI in the past and I know what those symptoms are.

In this case,  I drank alot of alcohol and very little water during the trip.  I did pee when I felt like peeing.  It did not burn while peeing and the urine was not to dark.

But, I was getting sudden urges to pee more often then usual when I was NOT drinking during the day. Can this be something from the oral I have received? The amount of alcohol with lack of water?  Swimming in the ocean?  Or is my bladder driving me to anxiety?

[sparkeler]

You had protected sex and there is no real risk through cunninglis.  You were extremely safe, and it's great to know you are educating yourself.  My bet is you will remain hiv negative for the rest of your life.:)

[Stupid_in_rio]

To further inform you on the pee issue.  Its more like the tingle on the tip before I pee.  But it doesnt hurt when I pee. I have no drip.

Is it possible its an irritation from the condems, which I used many of that week?

[WorriedUS]

Stupid_in_rio,

I'm not a doctor.  Just a regular poster on here like you and everyone else.  

Even if you were asking a doctor on here what your complication from your tingling could possibly be, he would be hard pressed to diagnose you online, but my guess he would say that it is EXTREMELY difficult to get any STD, especially HIV, from having received oral sex.  NGU might be a possibility, since I've seen people ask about that.But do this, Type in "std oral", "oral sex"  and "oral sex HIV" in the search bar.  You'll get A LOT of info.

Here's a really good post by Doctor H I found for you dated 05/22/2006 in the STD forum entitled, "Oral Sex and STD". Doc would be extremely mad at me for repasting this, but maybe the forum police won't jail me.  Here it is.

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"This question really should have been posted on the HIV prevention forum (see the notice at the top of this forum's home page). But I'm in a good mood, so it sneaks through!

For practical purposes the only STDs of any significant risk are herpes; occasional cases of gonorrhea; and occasional cases of nongonococcal urethritis in men--which, when to to oral bacteria, probably isn't a serious health problem for either the guy or his future sex partners. Syphilis can be transmitted orally, but it's such a rare infection in most people that it usually isn't a serious concern. (Gay men with multiple partners are an exception.)

HIV is too low a risk to worry about. Rare cases are transmitted to the oral partner, but no case of HIV has ever been proved to be transmitted from mouth to penis or by cunnilingus in either direction. If such transmissions occur, they are too rare to measure.

Young people today often get biased views (sometimes politically driven) about STD/HIV risks in general and about oral sex in particular. The bottom line is that oral sex is safer (for all STDs) than vaginal or anal sex. In fact, if all anal sex and vaginal intercourse in the world were magically replaced by oral sex, HIV and most STDs would disappear entirely. It simply isn't a sufficiently efficient mode of transmission to sustain these infections in the population. And of course you can't get pregnant orally! I'm not promoting promiscuous oral sex in young people. But it really is pretty safe.

For more information, search this forum and the HIV forum for "HIV transmission risk", "STD transmission risk", "oral sex", "fellatio", and "cunnilingus". "

Good luck-- HHH, MD
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But if you wanna be sure for sure post your question to Doctor H in the STD (sexually transmitted diseases) forum, and he'll answer for sure. But read up FIRST. cuz he might just dismiss your answer to a highly repetetive question, ESPECIALLY about oral sex.

One more conjecture, when you have lots of alcohol, it tends to dehydrate your body.  That might be a clue as to your urination issue..  Ask your general practioner (your family doctor) and he'll definitely know.  Conversely, you could call up a nephrologist/urologist, and he'll know.  Good luck

-WorriedUS