Colloidal Silver?

[superinfected]

Does anyone have experience w/ this? Of course my Hepatologist says "NO!", but he said no to milk thistle too, so if it's not expensive pharmaceuticals, he's clueless.  I take milk thistle anyway, w/ good results.

[nygirl7]

Just send me your money and i'll wish the disease away for you.  The colloidal silver will have the same affect as me wishing it away and at least the money might do me some good!  :)

Seriously of course your heptologist says NO!!! because there is NO cure at the moment available that does not contain interferon and ribavirin.  CS is not going to do anything at all for you in this world.  Certainly not cure you or help you in any way it's just a SCAM to get money from sick people.  Scam Scam Scam.  If it did work...we all would have certainly done it instead but unfortunately it wont.

Milk thistle won't cure you but it might help bring your liver enzyme levels down. Just remember if you do start treatment stop the milk thistle - you can't take it with the meds or it will make them less effective.

[Willy50]

Sorry, I'm not aware of one regular member here who has anything good to report about Any permutation of collodial silver, at least, not for treating HCV.

Milk thistle is a different question.  I believe that there are many studies which challenge your  doctors opinion on that.  Your doctor is not alone in the opinion, but I think they could be operating on old information.

best,
Willy

[AngelaNicole]

Colloidal Silver ....  i think, but dont quote me ...  this doesnt get rid of the hep by any means, but if you take it for an extended period of time, the silver will build up in you and thus will alter your skin color... to a sorta sickly greyish color and it is irreversable...  i think thats what this stuff is... was a long time ago i heard about it and almost tried it and then heard about the side effects and said no way.

[HCA]

I don't want to rock the boat ,but I have never seen an accredited milk thistle study which concludes that it has any benefit whatsoever in the treatment or progress of Hepatitius C.
I have surfed this topic in former times.
If someone can cite a scientific study which concludes differently I will read it with interest.
I suspect that milk thistle stays in the frame because it is fundamentally benign,but it's claimed properties of 'protecting liver cells' are endorsed only on natural healing sites but dismissed by medical science.

[newleaf09]

I don't know about colloidal silver, but silver itself is a heavy metal and its disposal is regulated by the government because it is potentially poisonous.  I would never consider allowing it into my body, even in a colloid.

[charm27]

No dont waste your money, Besides its NO good for you. It is potentially poisonous and DEFINTELY DOES NOT CURE HEP C. People have turned the color blue from it that shows you how toxic it can be.

Dont even think about harming your body in such a way!

Take good care
Charm27

[nygirl7]

Just noted that you are on shot 41 - you should really not have been taking milk thistle during all of this time it can destroy the efficacy of the meds on you. I'm just shocked your doctor didn't tell you that we are ALWAYS told to stop milk thistle once we start treatment, especially since he is a heptologist.

If you are on shot 41 why would you want to take colloidal silver anyways? I'd assume you are clear by now and only have 7 shots left? Why are you even looking into these snake oil types of things when your treatment is almost over and I guess from your other post that you were UND at week 4 which is a good predictor of success?

[newleaf09]

By late TX, I was just trudging day to day and pretty scared of rocking the boat in any way.  I've got to admire your motives and determination after 41 wks., but I'd just let the prescribed meds do their job.

[HCA]

Actually the notion that milk thistle interferes with medication is an urban myth.
It's simply that when Roche and Schering did the clinical trials for pegylated interferon milk thistle was not allowed because they didn't want some on milk thistle and others not-they just wanted consistent data!
This soon became translated into 'You can't take milk thistle with meds'.
Milk Thistle basically does nothing,good or bad-when you think about it how could anyone know that it 'interferes with medication'? Only by a control group study,and who would waste money on that?

[newleaf09]

HCA, I looked up milk thistle early and found the same thing.  Not helpful but not harmful either.  Gosh, I had enough stuff to take in a trial, 23 pills daily and 1-3 shots a week.  Never missed, rarely late.  Grateful not to add anything more.  Finished 3 weeks ago and can now barely remember to take my one little vitamin pill.  Can't imagine how I did it all.

[nygirl7]

Why are there advertisments for mesosilver all over this page? Seriously that is not good..........no WONDER people are asking about colloidal silver it's being advertised right on this forum! WTH is going on??????? BAD BAD mojo!

[Magnum]

Milk Thistle is fine according to both of my doctors. Naturally, they can't testify it does what it claims to do because of their ethical responsibility to their Hippocratic Oath. However, I've been on it for at least ten years and I will stay on it.

As for Colloidal silver, save your money and instead buy silver coins. Put them away, and when you're healed, cash them in for a trip to the Bahamas, where you can rest in the sand, sipping a nice coo tall Piña Colada or a Banana Daiquiri...

Magnum

[Magnum]

I have to agree with nygirl7. She is one of the smartest, brightest persons on this site. She has an outlook of reality, not a misconception of the algorithms of untruths and unfound statements of so-called truths.

Were it not for the keen eyes of the HCA, this site would become a commercialized fiasco. Let's concentrate on the realities of our affliction, and by doing so, help those who are already confused, and not add to their misery, agony and dead promises of grandeur in a world already filled with scams, half-truths, socialized brain washing, unrealistic presentations of promises to hang your dreams and hopes on... (Oh my Magnum, such profound statements...)

Magnum

[Willy50]

HCA, here is a very recent study presented at the 2009 EASL.  It is a small study but this and a number of other studies continue to provide evidence that milk thistle does *something*.  In this case it was used as a supplement with possible antiviral effects.

Many people may also take it for what may be some sort of liver protectant or may have anti-fibrotic properties.  I agree that this is not *proven*, but there exists some evidence that it could be beneficial. ~~willy
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http://www.kenes.com/easl2009/Posters/Abstract517.htm

Presentation Date: Apr 24, 2009
INTRAVENOUS SILIBININ AS “RESCUE TREATMENT” FOR ON TREATMENT NONRESPONDERS TO FULL DOSE OF PEGINTERFERON / RIBAVIRIN COMBINATION THERAPY

K. Rutter1, S. Beinhardt1, H. Kerschner2, T.M. Scherzer1, H. Hofer1, T. Popow-Kraupp2, P. Steindl-Munda1, P. Ferenci1
1Internal Medicine III, Dpt of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Medical University of Vienna, 2Clinical Virology, Medical University of Vienna, Vienna, Austria

Background: Silibinin (SIL) given intravenously at a dose of 20 mg/kg/day for 14 days had marked antiviral properties in nonresponders to full dose of peginterferon/ribavirin (SOC) combination therapy with chronic hepatitis C (Ferenci et al, Gastroenterology 2008). This confirms the in vitro findings that SIL inhibited viral replication. In this study we extended this treatment approach to on treatment nonresponders, defined as having detectable HCV-RNA after at least 24 weeks of SOC.


Methods: Nine patients HCV-RNA on treatment with 180 µg peginterferon-alfa2a (Pegasys®) and 1000-1200 mg ribavirin (Copegus®)/d who were still HCV-RNA positive after 24 weeks (mean age: 53 ± 6.6 years; male/female: 5/4; genotype 1:7, 3a:1, 4:1; liver fibrosis F4:6, F3:1, n.a.:2) were investigated. Seven patients were treatment naïve, 2 had a previous therapy (one nonresponder, one patient had relapsed twice after 24 weeks therapy). After completing at least 24 weeks of SOC therapy patients received additionally 20 mg/kg/d Silibinin (Legalon-SIL®, Rottapharm-Madaus, Monza, Italy) intravenously for 15 days. Thereafter peginterferon/ribavirin was continued. At the time of writing, all 9 patients are still on therapy. HCV-RNA was quantified by TaqMan® (Roche Diagnostics, USA) at monthly intervals on standard treatment and weekly after starting SIL treatment.


Results: On peginterferon/ribavirin HCV-RNA was quantifiable with a median log drop of 2.3 (range 0.4-5.7) at week 24. Two patients had a detectable but unquantifiable HCV-RNA (< 15 IU/mL). After 15 days of intravenous SIL therapy HCV-RNA decreased in all patients and 7 out of the 9 patients had undetectable HCV-RNA. After the end of SIL administration patients were followed for at least 12 weeks. In one patient HCV-RNA increased to 100 IU/ml, and a second course of intravenous SIL for 15 days was given. HCV-RNA became negative again and remained negative so far. All patients are still on standard of care treatment. Treatment was well tolerated.


Conclusion: Intravenous silibinin is an effective “rescue treatment” for on treatment nonresponders to full dose of peginterferon/ribavirin combination therapy.

[HCA]

Thank you for posting this.
I was aware that a study of intravenous application of silbinin was underway but I didn't know it had published.
The subjects were all very slow (non) responders and there is slight evidence that adding IV silibinin may have helped push down the viral load.
We don't know the outcome 'cos they are all still on treatment.
Silibinin is a refined form of sylimarin which is the milk thistle product,and the IV administration would have provided a much more intensive dosing regime than the commercially availible product.
I wonder how a better responding group would have done with the same regime.

[desrt]

".....silver itself is a heavy metal and its disposal is regulated by the government......"

ROFL

[newleaf09]

I used to be a flower grower.  Silver nitrate prolongs the vase life of carnations and you had to have a special disposal station to be sure none of it got into the watershed.

What's ROFL (at least the ROL part)?

[desrt]

Sorry, long day. Too many fatigue toxins and something about the government disposing of my silver struck me as humorous. But I wasn't actually rolling on the floor. And I'm much better now.

[GSDgirl]

ROFL = rolling on floor laughing........I personally prefer ROFLMFAO = rolling on floor laughing my fu@king a*s off

[newleaf09]

Oh good, learned another one; You can tell I'm a pitiful texter (screen too small, fingers too big).

I was  afraid you were launching an anti-government rant.  Pretty sure that one and its responses would make this thread disappear.  

[GSDgirl]

NL, that has been around for ages, I just started texting not long ago.  That is actually email "talk"

[chronichcv]

For 3 years I was under the care of an internest considered the very best specialist in the treatment of HCV.  He never suggested cessation of milk thistle during the combination therapy of Ribavirin and Interferon A.  Any one suggesting otherwise, is probably confusing St. John's wort with milk thistle.  In fact, my internist clearly affirmed that milk thistle lessens inflamation, and might therfore be of some benefit.  He said that in  any case, it would not hurt.  How many of you critics of C Silver have ever tried true small particle (10ppm) colloidal silver?  How many have dared to go a step further, using it intravenously?  Not many I would guess.  know of what you speak.  I will post here on my own progress with a pharmaceutical grade suspension (i.e., independently certified purified water and silver ions, nothing else).

[Willy50]

" How many of you critics of C Silver have ever tried true small particle (10ppm) colloidal silver?  How many have dared to go a step further, using it intravenously?  Not many I would guess.  know of what you speak."
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I posted the info on milk thistle.  I think I have a halfway open mind about alternatives.

I guess that I would dispute whether it is a good practice to try things to "understand" them.  LOL: having said that I have done that myself several times with several substances.  : )
The deal is that with some substances....lets say mushrooms found out in the wild, the action could kill you.  Most of us should not attempt this method of "knowing".

Or..... if you think you are helped.....what proof does one have that it is not placebo effect?  Many people post questions at this board who are *convinced* that they have contracted HCV from some sort of sexual contact.  They manifest symptoms overnight and sometimes they still linger even when disproven by PCR.  They "know" they have something but quite often they are merely obsessing about symptoms due to guilt, fear..... or they like merely talking about their experience.  ; )

Singular experiences are often nor very helpful, especially when they are not done with controls.  Did the marijuana use cause the fibrosis or the 6 pack of beer that was also consumed?  Poor study design = inconclusive results.

I often think that one persons results mean next to nothing.  It's a good start but..... when 100 people get similar results I begin to become convinced.

Data, articles and trials are often a good place to start.  

I guess I wonder how much one knows after they take colloidal silver?  Are you doing baseline tests; viral load, LFT's, biopsy?  Follow up tests?

best,
Willy

[Bill1954]

Reproducibility is another hallmark of proper data as well—

Bill