Friday Fight Song 05-05-06 - Coconut

[Eyedeas]

Coconut by Harry Nilsson


Brother needed Hep C tx, he bought it for a dime
His sister had it also, unknowing for some time.
He did a shot of Peg-Intron, and lots of other meds
She did a shot of Pegasys, at last cleared by the feds
He did a shot of the Hep C tx,
Called the doctor, woke him up, and said,

"Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve the Hep C aches?
I say, Doctor, ain't there nothin' I can take,
I say, Doctor, to relieve the Hep C aches?

[Mister beagle bailey]

Thanks, as always. We all need your fight song.

BEAGLE

[can-do-man]

Kim, thanks again for taking the time. Hope all is well.


beagle, kinda starting early with that hose and bucket isn't we?

I guess the early bird gets the blood. Hope you doing ok today.

[can-do-man]

Good morning folks, its time to rise and shine. I want to see you all jog 3 miles, 10 pushups, 10 pullups, and 10 setups. Now before you shoot me i'm going back to bed. Wore me out just thinking of doing that. Hope all has a good day.

Ready, set GO.

[strator]

eyedeas-that a way to start the weekend, thanks, tho your songs always seem to get into my head and pop out my mouth at wacky moments, like up on a ladder out in public or stopped at a light with the windows rolled down...screw em, simg it gang.

can share man- Okay dude so lets see that was to all of us so if each of us run 6ft, each does 1/40th of a push up and 1/40 of a pullup(and screw the setups, my dry heaves are enough exercise for all of our stomaches): why this forum should be in shape in no time at all....Dibbs on NOT being the one to do the top part of the pushups and bottom part of the pullups,in fact I wanna be the one that just grunts!
Oh Yeah dude, dream a little dream...
Don

[Dale_Ray]

and and and and thaaaaaaaaaats one....................step. No no that was definitly and tip and stumble. Maybe later - when the riba kicks in. I have one exercise that I am consistent at now. Trying to crawl out of my own skin. Go back to sleep. Dale

[dyce]

I hear ya guy , where I work thier hirin more internationals everyday , claimin they can't get americans to work, ya know thats bull! Thier gettin big time tax breaks on the forien exchange students and the people coming here on work visa from the middle east, while folk around here can't get work .

[Dale_Ray]

We the People are doing a crappy job I think. The will of the people should be more improtant than some liberal courts definition of the rule of law. If all else fails use common sense. Ted Kennedy will fix it, this will be his third immigration bill in 30 years so he knows what he is doing. How do you spell Chapaqudic?

[dyce]

Good mornin guys and once again , it's riba friday, no work for the next 2 days hee haw . If I do any pushups this mornin can, it won't be them kind .

[dyce]

If that were you or me , we woulda been sent to prison!

[Dale_Ray]

Hello everyone I would like to introduce you to Dyce and Dale Kennedy. Guilty even when not charged. I wonder what the cost of a daughter was for the parents? I better get off of this one it's kickin the riba in overdrive.

[friole]

kim - did it again - you really hve that rhythm down!

can-do --- no can do.  Got to go with the Strator excercise plan as of late.  Will you please post a picture of you after your "work-out" -- now is that to combat the nightly icecream binge?

[Dale_Ray]

I ran an ad for specialist engineer last year and the ad went into all of the major markets. I received 34 qualified applicants with credentials matching the requirements. I had specifically asked about US citizenship. None were and all were on various technical visas. Of course I had to go through the interview process to show fairness. Most of the people were originally from India or South Korea. If we don't start doing something about math and science skills here we are going to be in big trouble. What am I saying we hire chinese spies to work at our top secret facilities now. We are in big trouble. Dale

[Fisheress]

Good Friday to everyone......funny that song fit me to a T last night.  I do shots on Sat. nites but last nite at about 9:45 the flu like symthoms hit me!  It was everything you experience on the 1st shot less the fever! Muscle pain, joint pain, aches everywhere, headache, chills...... Really weird!  Better today though I think.  Took tylenol pm last night.

OK ladies, here is something for ya concerning our hair!  Have a wonderful Friday all, few sides this weekend and happiness to all.

There once was a woman who woke up one morning, looked in the mirror, and noticed she had only three hairs on her head.

"Well," she said, "I think I'll braid my hair today?" So she did and she had a wonderful day.

The next day she woke up, looked in the mirror and saw that she had only two hairs on her head.

"H-M-M, " she said, "I think I'll part my hair down the middle today?" So she did and she had a grand day.

The next day she woke up, looked in the mirror and noticed that she had only one hair on her head.

"Well," she said, "Today I'm going to wear my hair in a pony tail." So she did and she had a fun, fun day.

The next day she woke up, looked in the mirror and noticed that there wasn't a single hair on her head.

"YEAH!" she exclaimed, "I don't have to fix my hair today!"

Attitude is Everything!!!
"Have a Good Day!"

"Be kinder than necessary,

for everyone you meet

is fighting some kind of battle."

Love,
Fisheress

[TnHepGuy_]

As far as if I agree with what my doc said in regards to occult, my answer would be "yes and no". "Yes" in that for all practical purposes, tx'ing to get rid of occult after achieving SVR seems off the charts for the reasons he mentioned (docs, insurers against it) - and the only study out there so far that I've seen on tx'ing occult doesn't show great clearance results with the type of testing methods that they chose to use (only 30% PBMC clear post-tx. And of the 5 patients who underwent post-tx bx - all remained HCV positive). Also "yes" in the fact of monitoring things closely over time. My biggest concern right now is the possibility of slow inflammation/progression, with  unknown odds of HCC in the future. "No" in that what was implied in our discussion - even in his agreeing to my suggestion of more frequent testing - is his overall dismissal of occult as a non-issue based upon "lack of firm research", which as more time goes by appears less and less to be the case. I value my doc's opinion. but it is just that, the opinion of someone in a very busy and pressured job with a huge amount of subject matter to know - with occult Hep C and it's research quite possibly little, if-at-all, on his radar.


To which study shows occult viral replication - the Pham pdf discusses the subject and has references to all the relevant studies, should either you or your doc care to look any further.


TnHepGuy

[dyce]

I hear ya dale , the ribe is gettin me wrawled up . Ha it's riba friday , we gotta have fun today. I try not to ponder on the immagration thing tomuch but that will not help the matter at all, turning a blind eye! We're in deep s-it in this country today.

[cuteus]

have you seen this virology study on the absence of occult HBV and HCV in SVRs?  How would it differentiate from the studies that found its presence? http://www.mediwiss.de/LongTermfull.htm

I posted in the hormone thread above the closed one, but the HCC risk seem to remain in some SVRs according to this study, even in the absence of occult virus.

thank you for hanging around and for picking our brains, even it it is with a sledgehammer.

[cuteus]

my hepatologist is not the only one persisting with this view:
http://thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Hepatitis/Current/Q170910.html

I guess until further notice or liver conference.

[can-do-man]

dyce says....... If I do any pushups this mornin can, it won't be them kind..
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You back to playing the little engine that thinks he could? BTW how was your sleep?

[TnHepGuy_]

They are 100% at odds:

<u>Dieterich</u> - "small pieces of viral RNA which were <b>not capable of replication<b/> found in some <b>blood cells</b> ..."

<u>Pham</u> - "<b>conclusive evidence</b> was obtained for the presence of <b>replicating HCV</b> ... 80% of these individuals were <b>serum HCV RNA positive</b>..."


<u>Dieterich</u> - "<b>...not in liver cells.</b>"

<u>Pham</u> - "Recent evidence from our
laboratory and others, however, indicates that by employing
more sensitive nucleic acid detection tests, low levels of HCV
RNA can be identified in sera, lymphoid cells, and <b>hepatic tissue</b> for years after apparent complete recovery from hepatitis C.1-6"



As far as credentials go, it would have been more accurate of me to say that Dieterich is a doc/non-occult/persistence researcher, whereas Pham is out in the forefront.



The Pham research is out there for all to see. It's possible that you may not like it's conclusions. If so, ask your doc, Dieterich and any other docs you put confidence in to refute the scientific findings therein.


TnHepGuy

[Forseegood]

As much as I like you guys, and as much as I think this is not a political forum (which is probably a good thing, since, like you say, there are a lot of people revved up on drugs of various kinds and what can start out as a reasoned discussion can get ramped up to an ugly argument real fast)....your pointing out the odd Kennedy's indiscretion (and yes, there is a patrician ruling class here in good the good ole US where money, especially old money does talk) why don't you guys ever point out these crooked CEO's and upper manangement guys....and their numbers are legion! They really don't get much play in our media, no, much better a guy who robs a 711 or starts a car chase with the cops, but how many people will guys like these really affect??

These corporate villians actually run companies and draw up corporate policy, then plunder pension funds, wipe out small stockholders by the thousands...they, in fact, are robbing  thousands and thousands of retired peoples' nesteggs...not to mention what the Savings and Loan companies did to millions of working class and middle class people...this is outright thievery and corruption on a mass scale, yet their companies are routinely bailed out by our government. The top brass in question can usually buy themselves out of any wrongdoing through their high powered contacts in government (the present administration is more guilty of this then any in the past) and high priced lawyers, few of them are ever prosecuted, less have to ever really do "time."  

(Hopefully, that might be changing.) For the oil companies, with *billions* of dollars in profit, to get giant tax breaks and incentives is utterly obscene...but it makes sense considering who is in office...not to say all coporations are bad or they are all run improperly, but there are really too many that are and they just don't get the media play they deserve...

This type of behavior affects far, far more people on a mass scale then some Kennedy getting away with drunk driving...and this is what we focus on in terms of who is getting away with sh*t??? Do you see how these corporate thieves live on pension funds let's say? 16,000 dollar umbrella stands? 4 summer mansions fully stocked with flowers every day though no one but staff reside at them?...

And though immigration is a presently a volatile issue, and I do believe there should be a lot more enforcement and security at the borders, etc. because of an illegal criminal element, that can come in here, etc. I agree with John McCain in that they are taking jobs that American just don't want to do for the most part, if we were honest...McCain asked if he were to offer 50 dollars an hour to anyone out there to go pick fruit in the fields, hard labor of all kinds, how many people would actually last for more than a few days? not many...these are the types of jobs most of these illegals do...I think it's ironic that if they were to pass that stipulation of building a "wall" going accross the border states, who would come out to build it in that hot desert sun? he he he....what we should be far more worried about is filling high skilled technical jobs, cause other countries are gaining on us in those fields....

Goof: In terms of the school system, I'm kind of right of center myself on some issues regarding education, but I do think this is a highly complicated issue involving many, many different elements...have you read Thomas Friedman's "The World is Flat?" how globalization and high technology have enabled foreign countries like China and India to take their place in the technology boom, with the US exporting jobs and importing a lot of high skilled technical labor? etc.

In their cultures, science and math is highly respected with many children striving to excel in these subjects...where in our culture...there just isn't much in our media or elsewhere to tout these type of subjects, very few role models, etc....The last time we had a lot of kids getting into those fields, we had a space race in the 50's and 60's...with a lot of focus on astronauts and space engineering...we don't have anything like that now...the power of media is so powerful here because so many people watch so much television and other electronic media...

Media is more powerful here then in any other country by far...and let's face it, many of our boys are content to sit around and play video games, etc and not focus as much as they should in school...for the first time ever, girls are outstripping boys in high-school and college in grades, attendence, etc...in most of the colleges the enrollment for girls is up and for boys down...this has to be looked into...perhaps the divorce rate is partly to blame? there are many questions...

As far as the No Child Left Behind edict, this idea is good in theory, on some levels, in that it raises standards in schools for Math and English...I take care of a 17 year old and I help her for about 3 hours a day with tutoring in her homework, on average, her homework is 3 to 4 to 5 hours a night, with many, many essays and assignments leveled at her in order for her to pass - We just did some Greek tragedies and Robert Frost poems...believe me, unless you were in a private school or something, we didn't get this kind of homework when we were growing up because these kids have to pass these exit tests, etc we didn't have to pass...

Good idea you say....only thing is, in the poorer neighborhoods, there just isn't any money for tutoring these kids... so many of them just drop out because the standards are too high for them to achieve without extensive tutoring...the poorer kids have parents that work long hours, sometimes two jobs, etc....

In the No Child edict, they don't fund tutoring...so unless you have the money to tutor your kid, there is a good chance your child won't be able to keep up...the program is not funded for that...Hence the higher and higher drop out rates..."so what" you say? if they can't afford to keep up, let them go, they aren't my problem, I don't want my tax dollars allowcated for that...well, then you engender an underclass ...by not helping them through school so they can attend college to get gainfully employed...

because a college degree is mandatory now for a good job, just like a high school diploma was in years past for us...this isn't just happening in poor neighborhoods either, but middle class as well...

Then you have a lot of disaffected, lost poor kids out there getting into trouble...and you'll have to pay a lot more on the back end once they commit crimes and end up in prison, a rapidly growing business I might add...I'd rather have my tax dollars go to educating these kids, then having my taxes go to housing them in prison for the rest of their lives, it's much cheaper to educate them on the front end...these are economic considerations after all...

[can-do-man]

Hey girl how are ya? Now back to your corner. Wow three guys at one time. Yur either wilder then i ever thought or crazier.:)

[jmjm530]

I couldn't find the phrase "hepatic tissue" in the Pham study that Willing linked -- either in abstract or full-text version.
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=415836&rendertype=abstract
Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong place.
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THG:As far as credentials go, it would have been more accurate of me to say that Dieterich is a doc/non-occult/persistence researcher, whereas Pham is out in the forefront.

Ok, first Dieterich is a doc, not a researcher, now he's a researcher but not a non-occult/persistence researcher. I'm not disputing that Pham may be out in the "forefront" but like many front runners, sometimes they end up getting lost in the woods.

Just to clarify, I'm not taking a strong postion here one way or another, but I think it important that both points of view be presented. Dieterich, Cuteus' doctor, and many others don't share some of your and Willing's conclusions. Nor apparently does your doctor as the statment you posted earlier is pretty much in agreement with Dieterich.

Thanks for all your valuable input.

-- Jim

[can-do-man]

The best news i've heard. Now didn't me and cuteus tell ya? Now get them dancing shoes out. And tell your hubby don't wait up on ya. I'll tell my wife see you when i see you. Great for you girl. Hows saying SVR sound? Great i bet.

[Forseegood]

wow, that's great, great, news, I'm so happy for you, at least you know youre suffering wasn't all done in vain...that's really great...