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Hepatitis C Herbal Remedy
I am a interferon non-responder and have begun taking a anti-viral herbal preparation that contains a total of 7 ingredients (3 uncommon herbs and 4 more common ones). My viral load has gone from over 6,000,000 copies to 897,000 in 3 months! This stuff is powerful. It was formulated by Helen Yong, a master herbalist of HerbWise from Ontario, Canada. I have her e-mail address for anyone interested. Is anyone else taking an herbal prepartion containing Sophora japonica(oxymatrine) or Andrographis paniculata as treatment for HCV?
Responsibly requiring evidence of efficacy = close-minded?
Golly gee, your words are those I hear from folk with wounded beliefs.
If you wish a empathy/compassion contest - your on! I deeply and passionately care about human suffering and have devoted a lot of time and some money with many people in pain and turmoil. It would be criminal for me to recommend taking medicine(s) of unknown purity, content, effects, side-effects, other drug interactions - that is exactly what you are advocating.
Play Russian-roulette with your body, but think twice before advising others they too should play.
You haven't addressed anything of substance and I do not expect you too. Ciao!
Golly gee, your words are those I hear from folk with wounded beliefs.
If you wish a empathy/compassion contest - your on! I deeply and passionately care about human suffering and have devoted a lot of time and some money with many people in pain and turmoil. It would be criminal for me to recommend taking medicine(s) of unknown purity, content, effects, side-effects, other drug interactions - that is exactly what you are advocating.
Play Russian-roulette with your body, but think twice before advising others they too should play.
You haven't addressed anything of substance and I do not expect you too. Ciao!
Come on. It's all a bit of a cr**p shoot isn't it? We mostly all advocate that people take the conventional tx for Hep C, even though it has killed people (not many but it has) and caused cardiac problems, left people with long lasting side effects: effected people's vision, hearing, given them neurological problems, what have you, even though they don’t even get an SVR every time! You've only to read the possible outcomes on the drug lit itself.
But it's the only game in town and there are many, many people who go through it relatively unscathed, at least for the foreseeable future, let’s hope it’s not even a problem ever...So we take it because that's the best that's offered to us and we don't want to gamble going to ESLD. And there are many who do clear...they clear the virus! and we hang on to that. Yet no one would call us "criminal" or very few...that we advocate the current TX.
There are many drugs that have gone through the FDA that kill. We are talking in the millions over the years. But because they have been sanctioned by the all mighty FDA you would call me criminal because I'm talking about shizandra berries and a few Chinese herbs for immune system boosting? Get real.
I'm not talking about dangerous herbs like ephedra, and I'm also advocating that anyone who experiments with herbs and vitamins should go through experts. I don't know how many times I've said that. Please, before we get on our self righteous high horses here, let's make rational comparisons...
Just a question, you don't go by another name? Andy per chance? Just asking.
But it's the only game in town and there are many, many people who go through it relatively unscathed, at least for the foreseeable future, let’s hope it’s not even a problem ever...So we take it because that's the best that's offered to us and we don't want to gamble going to ESLD. And there are many who do clear...they clear the virus! and we hang on to that. Yet no one would call us "criminal" or very few...that we advocate the current TX.
There are many drugs that have gone through the FDA that kill. We are talking in the millions over the years. But because they have been sanctioned by the all mighty FDA you would call me criminal because I'm talking about shizandra berries and a few Chinese herbs for immune system boosting? Get real.
I'm not talking about dangerous herbs like ephedra, and I'm also advocating that anyone who experiments with herbs and vitamins should go through experts. I don't know how many times I've said that. Please, before we get on our self righteous high horses here, let's make rational comparisons...
Just a question, you don't go by another name? Andy per chance? Just asking.
Well gee. What can I say? Testing. FDA tests a whole bunch before releasing drugs to market. Vioxx and more than a few other FDA approved drugs??? Ooooops. Betcha some poor guy who's just sustained cardiac arrest after ingesting the stuff for awhile doesn't give two cents for all their exalted testing procedures. Don't get me wrong - the more tests and studies the better, on any compound, allopathic or not, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking we're dealing with some infallible FDA approval process, as good as it is.
And if I'm responding to all the anti-oxidants, enzymes and compounds that are making me feel better, then so be it. (Lot's of good studies in the press lately about anti-oxidant rich compounds, and the beneficial effects they have on the immune system, but maybe they are all off the mark as well.) I just can't help thinking that there might be some out there so intent on believing their own personal philosophies that they might be losing out because of it, and be in more discomfort than they have to, to prove a point I guess???
And why is my "placebo effect" so darn picky? Why does it respond to something allopathic, and not the other? To something non-allopathic, and not the other. Because the box was green? I like that color. Gotta sit down with it and make it respond to anything and everything. To go from paleness and dark circles, liver pain and IBS nausea, etc. feeling generally cr**py, to feeling much better, wow, my placebo effect is pretty powerful! I should bottle it! If that's what it is, I'll continue stoking it whatever it takes.
Because if I had my druthers, I'd be able to talk that darn placebo effect into responding to water for the same outcome so as not to have to open my wallet. Have a feeling that's not going to work though...You believe what you want to believe. But if one person, just one person, is able to feel better because of something they heard about in my post, or anybody else's for that matter, allopathic or not, it's worth taking all the slings and arrows. A closed mind never learns much anyhow.
Once more, I am not contending that someone in a higher biopsy range not do treatment, anything but. Thank God treatment can work for so many people. But there are some who don't benefit; it's good there are things out there that might help with the symptoms while waiting for better drugs.
And if I'm responding to all the anti-oxidants, enzymes and compounds that are making me feel better, then so be it. (Lot's of good studies in the press lately about anti-oxidant rich compounds, and the beneficial effects they have on the immune system, but maybe they are all off the mark as well.) I just can't help thinking that there might be some out there so intent on believing their own personal philosophies that they might be losing out because of it, and be in more discomfort than they have to, to prove a point I guess???
And why is my "placebo effect" so darn picky? Why does it respond to something allopathic, and not the other? To something non-allopathic, and not the other. Because the box was green? I like that color. Gotta sit down with it and make it respond to anything and everything. To go from paleness and dark circles, liver pain and IBS nausea, etc. feeling generally cr**py, to feeling much better, wow, my placebo effect is pretty powerful! I should bottle it! If that's what it is, I'll continue stoking it whatever it takes.
Because if I had my druthers, I'd be able to talk that darn placebo effect into responding to water for the same outcome so as not to have to open my wallet. Have a feeling that's not going to work though...You believe what you want to believe. But if one person, just one person, is able to feel better because of something they heard about in my post, or anybody else's for that matter, allopathic or not, it's worth taking all the slings and arrows. A closed mind never learns much anyhow.
Once more, I am not contending that someone in a higher biopsy range not do treatment, anything but. Thank God treatment can work for so many people. But there are some who don't benefit; it's good there are things out there that might help with the symptoms while waiting for better drugs.
you are doing fine with the posting, just write in the "comment to" section the name or the subject matter on your mind. This site is not as bad as MSN's, at least here you can direct your response to a particular person. You will get it in no time.
I apologize for my previous post to you. It was a misdirected verbal scud intended for some of the more closed-minded in the group who hide in fortified bunkers of cynicism and propagandized half-truths disguised as empathetic sincerity. .....you know who you are.
You posted in the right place (thread) but since they're so many different topics going on and some of the posts were buried I missed it. That's not your fault, just the limitations of this particular discussion group where only so many new threads can be opened a day. Also, you posted to "ever". If you had flagged me and posted to "jmjm" I might had seen it. Don't worry at all, I've been in a lot of discussion groups and this particular format is VERY confusing. :)
The Ludwig criteria seems to be a 4 stage system so you're stage 3 out of a possible 4 stages. That means you do not have cirrhosis which is good but it means you're only one stage away so it's good that you're treating now. The other good news is that if you treat successfully, you can reverse some or all of the damage to your liver.
"Genotype" is important so you should ask your doctor. Same thing with viral load. They must havde both these tests done before a correct diagnosis and treatment plan can be formulated. I'm sure they did them.
As far as Redipen, since you're 25 pounds overweight it might be a good choice since it's weight based. Or you could lose 25 pounds and ask for Pegasys. A lot of people use both successfully so there's really no right answer although many say less sides with Pegasys.
As pointed out, should be no problem with your blood pressure and thyroid meds, just let you're treating doctor know what you're on.
Last, but not least, your Ferritin level. None of us here are doctors,but it seems very high and I believe if it's too high that can intefere with your chances of clearing the virus. Sometimes they treat high ferritin prior to treatment with phlebotomy where they draw a little blood out of you each week to bring the levels down. You should speak to your doctor about this.
Regarding posting here...
In addition to posting on top of someone else's thread -- which we all do by necessity -- you can also post your own thread. The problem is they only allow so many new threads a day so it's possible you'll get a message something like "all new threads are closed for day." Anyway, the way to start your own topid (thread) is to go the top and click under "Ask a Question"
Hope this helps some and again, this is a very confusing discussion group format so don't kick yourself about it.
-- Jim
The Ludwig criteria seems to be a 4 stage system so you're stage 3 out of a possible 4 stages. That means you do not have cirrhosis which is good but it means you're only one stage away so it's good that you're treating now. The other good news is that if you treat successfully, you can reverse some or all of the damage to your liver.
"Genotype" is important so you should ask your doctor. Same thing with viral load. They must havde both these tests done before a correct diagnosis and treatment plan can be formulated. I'm sure they did them.
As far as Redipen, since you're 25 pounds overweight it might be a good choice since it's weight based. Or you could lose 25 pounds and ask for Pegasys. A lot of people use both successfully so there's really no right answer although many say less sides with Pegasys.
As pointed out, should be no problem with your blood pressure and thyroid meds, just let you're treating doctor know what you're on.
Last, but not least, your Ferritin level. None of us here are doctors,but it seems very high and I believe if it's too high that can intefere with your chances of clearing the virus. Sometimes they treat high ferritin prior to treatment with phlebotomy where they draw a little blood out of you each week to bring the levels down. You should speak to your doctor about this.
Regarding posting here...
In addition to posting on top of someone else's thread -- which we all do by necessity -- you can also post your own thread. The problem is they only allow so many new threads a day so it's possible you'll get a message something like "all new threads are closed for day." Anyway, the way to start your own topid (thread) is to go the top and click under "Ask a Question"
Hope this helps some and again, this is a very confusing discussion group format so don't kick yourself about it.
-- Jim
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