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Liver Friendly AntiDepressants - Open thread
I know that Ativan is metabolized by the kidneys, therefore most likely liver friendly for anxiety.
Does anyone know of a liver friendly antidepressant?
I thought I could find an increased level of knowledge by seeking help from a very large local hospital's Director of Behavioral health, but once again I found an idiot with a degree.
I asked for liver friendly meds, and after he finshed looking at me like a monkey looks at a marble, he thought it best that I ask my liver specialist if he/she knew.
Gosh, I guess I can wait FOUR MONTHS.
Please help me, this is my last chance at getting some help.
Does anyone know of a liver friendly antidepressant?
I thought I could find an increased level of knowledge by seeking help from a very large local hospital's Director of Behavioral health, but once again I found an idiot with a degree.
I asked for liver friendly meds, and after he finshed looking at me like a monkey looks at a marble, he thought it best that I ask my liver specialist if he/she knew.
Gosh, I guess I can wait FOUR MONTHS.
Please help me, this is my last chance at getting some help.
"And as far as talk therapy, this is clearly a chemical thing, if I can't reason myself out of depression, than how the heck can someone else talk me out of it?"
A surgeon can not operate on himself and even psychotherapists need another when faced with mental illness. they can not treat themselves. Check this book out: "Recovery from Panic Disorder: A Therapist's Transformation as Both Patient and Healer "
To think that if you can't do it yourself , no one can, is self defeating.
The consensus amont researchers is that a chemical change in the brain contributes to these disorders. Some believe that the chemical change comes about from external stimuli; a personal loss, some traumatic event, etc. This event triggers an emotion that triggers chemical changes in our brain. The change gives birth to more emotional disturbances. Psychotherapy can exert a change in the brain chemistry, just as some meds can.
You remember how your mood changes after venting and reading the responses here? There was a chemical change in your brain, even if temporary.
It is like the chicken or the egg...which comes first...the trauma or the chemical change? many think it is a cycle...event=change=depression=more change= mopre depression.
Please research the site by NARSAD..it gives insight on how they believe some of these disorders begin and become chronic.
Talking does change emotions, which then can exert a positive chemical change.
It is not the answer for everyone, but the researh shows it is for most.
My fear is always that you have to search for the right therapist and type of therapy. it is time consuming and distressing sometimes, and that is why drs reach for the script pad...in hopes of a quick response without
the therapy...but in the long run ...meds without therapy is a patch up job.
It is also known that the wrong type of therapist can do more harm than good. It is a big project to find the right person and med.
Engage the help of others in this quest, it would ease the stress it can generate,
again, don't lean too heavily on drugs to solve this chronic problem...a combination of therapies and dietary changes might bring better long term response.
best to you
A surgeon can not operate on himself and even psychotherapists need another when faced with mental illness. they can not treat themselves. Check this book out: "Recovery from Panic Disorder: A Therapist's Transformation as Both Patient and Healer "
To think that if you can't do it yourself , no one can, is self defeating.
The consensus amont researchers is that a chemical change in the brain contributes to these disorders. Some believe that the chemical change comes about from external stimuli; a personal loss, some traumatic event, etc. This event triggers an emotion that triggers chemical changes in our brain. The change gives birth to more emotional disturbances. Psychotherapy can exert a change in the brain chemistry, just as some meds can.
You remember how your mood changes after venting and reading the responses here? There was a chemical change in your brain, even if temporary.
It is like the chicken or the egg...which comes first...the trauma or the chemical change? many think it is a cycle...event=change=depression=more change= mopre depression.
Please research the site by NARSAD..it gives insight on how they believe some of these disorders begin and become chronic.
Talking does change emotions, which then can exert a positive chemical change.
It is not the answer for everyone, but the researh shows it is for most.
My fear is always that you have to search for the right therapist and type of therapy. it is time consuming and distressing sometimes, and that is why drs reach for the script pad...in hopes of a quick response without
the therapy...but in the long run ...meds without therapy is a patch up job.
It is also known that the wrong type of therapist can do more harm than good. It is a big project to find the right person and med.
Engage the help of others in this quest, it would ease the stress it can generate,
again, don't lean too heavily on drugs to solve this chronic problem...a combination of therapies and dietary changes might bring better long term response.
best to you
Diazepam and others can be addictive within the theraputic dose in as little as 4to6 weeks.
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what about welbutrin? is that safe? my doc said it is very safe. i asked a few others who have hepC and aslo on this and they say it is safe as well. i will tell ya, it helps alot!
I remember the post.
There is no way to access the old threads from here. SOmetimes when you do a web search on a topic, say Interferon and depression, or depression on hepc tx, etc, you will get MH old posts as a resource. If it has a tite, you can get the thread, sometimes you can't, though.
I also remember the technical effect of the meds on the nervous system from the article you posted. Isn't it interesting that in spite of the direct effects not everybody gets a MDD? and many don't need ADs? So, no matter what the effects on our organs, not all will develop NP(neuropathy), MDD(major depressive disorder) or thyroid problems.
There has to be more to it than just the meds.
There is no way to access the old threads from here. SOmetimes when you do a web search on a topic, say Interferon and depression, or depression on hepc tx, etc, you will get MH old posts as a resource. If it has a tite, you can get the thread, sometimes you can't, though.
I also remember the technical effect of the meds on the nervous system from the article you posted. Isn't it interesting that in spite of the direct effects not everybody gets a MDD? and many don't need ADs? So, no matter what the effects on our organs, not all will develop NP(neuropathy), MDD(major depressive disorder) or thyroid problems.
There has to be more to it than just the meds.
How DO we access our old MH archives? Because there was a fairly recent depression thread...sorry, an oxymoron, no doubt...when Lou suggested that positive thinking might be an adequate antitdote for tx depression and there was a very long and honest discussion in the aftermath. And then there was that evidence a week later (remember, Cuteus?) showing that a very large percentage of people who achieved SVR had experienced depression while on tx. So melancholy definitely has its value.
I remember doing a long post at the time about the physiological reasons for depression while on tx. A few of them: Neurotoxicity caused by dopamine antagonism, which increases with long-term interferon use. (This is one of the main reasons I'm taking SAME-e now, because it increases dopamine levels.) Serotonin pathway takes a hit, too: on interferon we experience lowered serum levels of tryptophan, a serotonin precursor. Thyroid function is altered. Interleukin-1 is produced, which has many toxic effects, including dysregulation of the hypothalmus's neuronal function.
So it IS all in our heads.
I remember doing a long post at the time about the physiological reasons for depression while on tx. A few of them: Neurotoxicity caused by dopamine antagonism, which increases with long-term interferon use. (This is one of the main reasons I'm taking SAME-e now, because it increases dopamine levels.) Serotonin pathway takes a hit, too: on interferon we experience lowered serum levels of tryptophan, a serotonin precursor. Thyroid function is altered. Interleukin-1 is produced, which has many toxic effects, including dysregulation of the hypothalmus's neuronal function.
So it IS all in our heads.
interesting article...yet it does not state...dosing levels and or duration of dosing....on my 4th month of tx i got .5 antivan...that is 1/2 just .5 ...pills...i was up to maybe 3 a day by the end of tx...i was so insomic after (couldn't sleep) tx i asked my dr for something else...he gave me buspar (nonnarcotic) and i took that for a couple of weeks and that was it...i don't believe the lorazapam caused the sleep disorder but the body factory just going into overdrive after stopping the tx....any ways...yes benzos are addictive if abused and if taken for many years...but for a short duration they can be very helpful...great for anger mgmt....
i guess iam suppose to say
hows your liver?
ken
i guess iam suppose to say
hows your liver?
ken
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