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SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, will it help or hurt research
weigh in if you want to!! I think we'd set the clock back 50 years, but that's just me.
Unfortunately, the debate about 'socialized medicine' never really gets anywhere, because people attach whatever success or horror stories to the label and off we go to a useless discussion.
There are though many different types of 'socialized medicine' and if we are to have a debate about it, we will have to be more precise. Does the governemnt finance it and provide it as in the United Kingdom? Does it pay for it through payroll and other taxes, but let the private secor provide, as in Germany and France? Does it mandate employer provision and pay for the indigent while allowing private sector to provide? There are many differnt ways of getting to a more equitable system.
And in terms of research and development - Novartis, Roche, Bayer Sanofi-Aventis, GlaxoSmith-Klein and many other sucessful pharmaceutical companies are all based in countries with socialized medicine.
There are though many different types of 'socialized medicine' and if we are to have a debate about it, we will have to be more precise. Does the governemnt finance it and provide it as in the United Kingdom? Does it pay for it through payroll and other taxes, but let the private secor provide, as in Germany and France? Does it mandate employer provision and pay for the indigent while allowing private sector to provide? There are many differnt ways of getting to a more equitable system.
And in terms of research and development - Novartis, Roche, Bayer Sanofi-Aventis, GlaxoSmith-Klein and many other sucessful pharmaceutical companies are all based in countries with socialized medicine.
have to do something, because if it goes on the way it is, youre going to see a mass exodus of medical personal going to private industry, other countries, or some other related field that doesn't clinical practice. it's already beginning to happen.
And people, we are already "paying for all this out of our own pockets" in vast amounts of people, (not just immigrants) going to ERs to have simple medical procedures done, that they need right away or the procedures won't be so simple down the line, and the ER's will probably have to pay for those too.
Of course few people can afford these procedures with no insurance, so this massive problem is shutting down many ERs across the country.
What should these people do who can't afford medical insurance?, quietly die in their homes or on the streets?
We could revert to the middle ages, and have ambulances and coroners cruise down the streets, shouting out "bring out your dead" as they did in the black plague...Sick humor to be sure, but these things are pretty crucial and deserve answers. So we are already paying our own tax dollars for these failing medical systems, and not in the most efficient way, because going to ERs is much more expensive and less efficient and practical then going to medical offices.
My younger sister almost died of liver and kidney failure in Liverpool, England, they had a 24 hour nurse with her, physical therapists to come in and move her arms and legs for circulation, and gave her the best care imaginable. She was in critical care for a month, and in the ICU for another 3. In the beginning they gave her a 5% chance of pulling though, but she stayed in that hospital for 4 months, till they gave her a limo ride to the airport, with two nurses, flew her over here first class, along with 2 nurses, to a hospital here, once she could travel. That was 4 years ago now, and though she's not in the best of health, she's walking a few miles a day and doing okay. They saved her life, because they probably figured, she's a human being like the rest of us and her life is worth saving, just like anybody else's life.
What do you think her chances might of been if she was in a county hospital here in any major city? I love this country very much and I am very grateful for the medical systems here, and the scientists and research from big pharma, etc.... but I can't help but think that many of these people who say that we have the best in the world in this, and the best in the world in that....have never really been to any place else or sampled these things any where else to make those judgments. No offense to anybody here, and sorry I posted this on this side, but this is where this thread was posted. There needs to be better ways to handle this, or even the upper middle classes will be able to ill afford medical care in this country. Never mind the poor. Just my take.
And people, we are already "paying for all this out of our own pockets" in vast amounts of people, (not just immigrants) going to ERs to have simple medical procedures done, that they need right away or the procedures won't be so simple down the line, and the ER's will probably have to pay for those too.
Of course few people can afford these procedures with no insurance, so this massive problem is shutting down many ERs across the country.
What should these people do who can't afford medical insurance?, quietly die in their homes or on the streets?
We could revert to the middle ages, and have ambulances and coroners cruise down the streets, shouting out "bring out your dead" as they did in the black plague...Sick humor to be sure, but these things are pretty crucial and deserve answers. So we are already paying our own tax dollars for these failing medical systems, and not in the most efficient way, because going to ERs is much more expensive and less efficient and practical then going to medical offices.
My younger sister almost died of liver and kidney failure in Liverpool, England, they had a 24 hour nurse with her, physical therapists to come in and move her arms and legs for circulation, and gave her the best care imaginable. She was in critical care for a month, and in the ICU for another 3. In the beginning they gave her a 5% chance of pulling though, but she stayed in that hospital for 4 months, till they gave her a limo ride to the airport, with two nurses, flew her over here first class, along with 2 nurses, to a hospital here, once she could travel. That was 4 years ago now, and though she's not in the best of health, she's walking a few miles a day and doing okay. They saved her life, because they probably figured, she's a human being like the rest of us and her life is worth saving, just like anybody else's life.
What do you think her chances might of been if she was in a county hospital here in any major city? I love this country very much and I am very grateful for the medical systems here, and the scientists and research from big pharma, etc.... but I can't help but think that many of these people who say that we have the best in the world in this, and the best in the world in that....have never really been to any place else or sampled these things any where else to make those judgments. No offense to anybody here, and sorry I posted this on this side, but this is where this thread was posted. There needs to be better ways to handle this, or even the upper middle classes will be able to ill afford medical care in this country. Never mind the poor. Just my take.
Oh, I get it. If someone disagrees with you, you report them to MH. Think maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the Riba this morning. Ok, I'll give jim a break for awhile, lt's dance.
This turned out even worse than I expected. It is quite disappointing, to say the least. Mike
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