Yes, Virginia you can get it from sex continued

[timedog]

Copyman:

Was not attacking you, really, just trying to bring sense into the discussion. Drug addicts who got HIV or Hep C from sharing needles was because blood went into the syringe and was shared that way, not because there was blood on the needle. like I said there are things we need to be careful about but for me and I said me I choose not to obsess about the near impossible.

[Alady1620]

:word:  You're preachin' to the choir.

[Alady1620]

"I have noticed that the folks I have been in contact with over the years do share traits such as fatigue, muscle soreness, skin problems etc. HR, as I recall, said that the virus could have gotten into the system on a periphery level and is being fought at that level by the body's defenses. Perhaps there are several areas where persistent immune reactions are taking place. I think it was HR that said there are probably many viruses that people have that are not totally active and are controlled by the immune system. The question is at what cost? Is this an explanation for CFS or other sort of chronic ongoing illnesses? "

If this were true, wouldn't the infected people have the antibodies in their blood and test positive for HCV?

[cuteus]

or it could be an entirely different organism or virus, other than hep c.  Most of us do come in contact with a inumerable amount of known and unknown substances and organisms, why would the immune response be of only hep c?  Yes, they were in contact with us, but also with Lulu who has Epstein Bar or HIV, why would it be only the result of low immune response to hep c?  
we do see a lot of far out speculation in this forum.  Based on actual facts, but also on paranoia.

[can-do-man]

Said.......or it could be an entirely different organism........
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Hmmmm, well i guess this is a sex thread. But entirely different has me somewhat confused. Maybe you can explain?

"OH JEEZ" I'm sorry i read that wrong....... I know the ole one two heading my way.:)

[Myown]

Jboyhk said
This research in Italy clearly concludes that beauty parlours are a source of HCV, HBV exposure.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15332269
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SoCal said
The article mentions "tattooing, piercing, manicure/chiropody, and barber shop shaving" as possible contaminants---not transmission from HCV-infected hairdressers who cut themselves with scissors, then nip the ears of hapless clients with the same scissors...

It's good that beauty and nail salons are being held to higher standards for safety and sanitation than in the past (at least that's what's happening in California), but to create and focus on absurd scenarios is not particularly helpful....

Sorry, jboyhk...My last sentence was in reference to Myown. Your warning about beauty parlors was, of course, fair, and everyone should advocate legislation, if it doesn't already exist, to make them safe and sanitary...

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To SoCal,

So in other words you (and others who think as you) believe, "yes", it is possible to get hep from beauty parlors, such as nippers etc. You seem to agree with that as being a "possible contaminate."

So since you seem to agree that the blood particle that was left on a nipper might be a mode of transmission,,,,but the blood particle on the scissor that your(maybe) high risk hairdresser has on his scissor, is a silly little paranoid thought of myown. You're amazing. I guess if you tell yourself something long enough, you will believe it.This theory of mine WAS a concern of my former hairdresser, who was HIV pos. We both we very careful when he or his partner cut my hair, and we were all concerned about all the haircuts he gave prior to knowing he had aids,,,but that is something that is water under the bridge and I do not think about because there is nothing one can do to change the past.

I know most people haven't thought of their hairdresser as a mode of transmission, but the next time your get your hair styled, if Andre is wearing a band aid on his finger, I would make up an excuse to leave and go home, but thats me.

Everyone thinks that the ad that shows a person with sores on their face (i haven't seen the ad yet) is a good ad for hep, because it says something to the effect, "if you could see hep, you'd do something about it "(or whatever, but thats the jist if I remember)

If your Andre was covered with sores and had aids and even told you he was sick,,, and lets say he was wearing that bandaid, as I mentioned above, on his finger,, and you even SAW him cut himself a minute before your haircut,,,would you feel comfortable sitting in his chair and having him cut your hair? Now lets break it down...think back to the meaning of the ad...Andre CAN LOOK healthy and feel happy, but he may be a carrier. Again,,,,,...he does NOT have to have sores all over his face and body to be carrying, nor does anyone else. But if you believe as some that there has to be a teaspoon, tablespoon or whatever of blood exchanged, don't sweat it,,,sit down in his chair and don't worry if he clips your ear.

Am I saying that people should let their hair grow down their back and never go to a salon?  "No',,,do you see that word to the left? I will type it again to make sure, since some have trouble reading what I write,,,,here goes..."NO". Am I saying that people should lock themselves in their house,"No",,but if our doctors followed procedures that salons follow or "don't follow", we would search high and low for a new doctor, but yet some people think my thinking is blowing things out of proportion.  

BTW Timedog,,I am not angry. I never raise my voice even when I am having an argument with someone,,,,, and I didn't consider our posting as an argument, maybe you did. Rev even thought you were picking on me for having my opinion. Timedog, also read my closing statement to you below. I stated I am not mad and I hoped you weren't. You were the one who wanted to continue this. I also found it interesting that you didn't question the others who are NOT on the same wave length with you as far as transmission.

I read a post where someone said people have their head in the sand. Thats the truth for sure.

BTW. for those that can agree with what Timedog said in opening above makes liars out of nurses who say they got hep from "pricking themselves" with needles. I believe the nurses. I don't think the highly trained nurses took the needle and Injected themselves, they just 'ever so slightly pricked'. So please just drop it. If you want to "keep your head in the sand," go ahead.

SoCal really study what yo've said, its silly. Manicure implements,shaving might be a mode of transmission, but NOT  scissors in the hands of someone who may be in a high risk category for HIV to boot.?? It feels good to think that way I guess.

Nice talking to you all. Myowns not mad. "Conservatives" allow people to have their own opinions and even with that don't get mad at them. Hard for some to conceive, but some of us are not into "group think." I enjoy talking to others with differnt opinions. I never call them paranoid for not thinking as me.

Have a good day.

[Myown]

Read timedogs posts to me below as far as what he says about sticking with a needle and you'll see why I said what I did.  No, don't worry you didn't start anything.

Some of us in here believe pricking with a dirty needle can infect a person and others think you need a puddle of blood or something.  I was having a conversation with Drofi and TD chose to jump in.

I'm finished with subject. Anyone else wants to debate it, in a healthy way, read the posts below an choose a person for rebuttal.

Good night all.