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anyone drinking Detox Tea ?
hey just acquestion, does anyone drink a Detox tea and do you like it? also has anyone heard of collidal silver? Studies say it is good to help rid the Hep. C ? Or how about drinking Komucha tea? Wow I know all these questions. You know I'm a newbie lol
Debbie
Debbie
Be patient, please, as I answer posts.
Thanks,
Nina
Thanks,
Nina
Catll,
I do not believe true electrically isolated silver (eis) can damage my body and I do not have the capabilities or energy to defend what much smarter people than I have spent years studying and writing about. Explore this site, if you'd like, especially the safety link at the top
I appreciate your concern,
Thank you,
Nina
I do not believe true electrically isolated silver (eis) can damage my body and I do not have the capabilities or energy to defend what much smarter people than I have spent years studying and writing about. Explore this site, if you'd like, especially the safety link at the top
I appreciate your concern,
Thank you,
Nina
Opal: My original posts were to encourage people to thoroughly do their research and to be responsible for their health.
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That's how I read it and it was clear to me at least by what you meant when you said "completely treated". You were simply stated the facts of your treatment approach.
And in all due respect to Meki (she's a great help here) I also do not think you were promising an alternative "cure".
What I do have reservations with is last part of your statment re "lowered...PCRs and enzymes" as follows:
"Some silver products ARE bad; it depends on the type of silver product. Some people have lowered their PCRs and enzymes using it."
I'll admit I've done little reseach here, but what research I have done on Colloidal Silver, for example, shows it to be nothing but harmful to the body. And while it's one thing to report anecdotal accounts, the statement above could be construed as a statement of fact, which again, seems unsupported by the evidence.
-- Jim
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That's how I read it and it was clear to me at least by what you meant when you said "completely treated". You were simply stated the facts of your treatment approach.
And in all due respect to Meki (she's a great help here) I also do not think you were promising an alternative "cure".
What I do have reservations with is last part of your statment re "lowered...PCRs and enzymes" as follows:
"Some silver products ARE bad; it depends on the type of silver product. Some people have lowered their PCRs and enzymes using it."
I'll admit I've done little reseach here, but what research I have done on Colloidal Silver, for example, shows it to be nothing but harmful to the body. And while it's one thing to report anecdotal accounts, the statement above could be construed as a statement of fact, which again, seems unsupported by the evidence.
-- Jim
milk thistle is the best..PLUS GOD!!!!
Your grammar is not being critiqued, but the content of what you're saying *is*. If you're saying your hepC has not been completely treated in the sense that it has been put into remission or has been eradicated - then ok, that sounds reasonable. It's just your original statement gave the impression that you may have cured yourself (or put your virus into remission) using alternative methods. Obviously that isn't true (it isn't, is it??), so I thought it important to clarify that fact for anyone who might be reading this and doesn't know much about hepatitis C or its treatments. So if you'd like to be more specific about what you mean by "completely treated", that would be helpful and perhaps informative depending on what you have to share.
"My original posts were to encourage people to thoroughly do their research and to be responsible for their health"
Amen to that. People should thoroughly investigate colloidal silver, UV blood irradiation, ozone treatment, cow thymus, vibrational crystals and powered goat dingleberries for that matter. That way everyone would know none of those things will cure them of hepc. Only interferon, ribavirin and now protease inhibitors are known to cure people of hepatitis C. Being an informed patient who has done her research, I'm sure you agree with that - right?
"Are you a moderator of this forum? "
Nope. Whatever gave you that impression? Is asking you for specific/verifiable details about your rather bold attestments in favor of naturalistic treatments off limits? If so, why?
"Are you against alternative treatments?"
Nope, I'm not against alternative treatments. It's just I've never seen one that really works or significantly helps those with hep C (never seen one yet, anyway). In fact I searched for about ten years looking for one (in hopes of avoiding the dreaded IFN and riba). I read all kinds of books (including Buhner's seminal work) and tried many different substances over the years. I can't remember all of them now, but I've taken milk thistle (and continue to today), dandelion root, licorice, burdock root, reishi mushrooms, spirulina (i.e. pond scum), ascorbic acid, NAC, Vit E, Vit C, St John's wort, Zinc, selenium, turmeric, alpha lipoic acid, etc etc. That's all I can remember right now, but you get the idea. Anyway, none of them cured me of hepc and I really don't believe any of them were helping me in any significant manner. Although I do believe milk thistle probably helps to minimize damage done by drinking moderate amounts of alcohol...probably. The very best naturalistic treatment for hep C is abstaining from alcohol (although a little bit is ok once in a while), smoking and drugs etc, eating a healthy diet filled with fresh fruits and vegetables, whole grains, lean meats and lots of fresh water, plus plenty of vigorous aerobic exercise combined with resistance training. Not as easy as taking pills and supplements, but it'll help you more than any of the other stuff.
"Most of all, do you believe I have crossed over unspoken rules by sharing my experiences and those of others I have been in contact with over the last few decades?"
No I don't believe you have crossed over any unspoken rules by sharing your experiences. But you see, you haven't really shared any experiences have you? All you've done is give vague and non-specific advice about the "benefits" of alternative treatments over conventional treatment. You don't explain what it is you're doing and why it's so great nor do you explain how you've come to the firm and resolute conclusion it's so great. But, you do specifically state that you know people who have lowered their viral loads using colloidal silver - but again provide no specifics. Why is it that every time an advocate for naturalistic/alternative remedies (and/or a staunch critic of IFN/riba) steps forward to advocate what they're doing, and then their questioned in any way shape or form about the specifics of what they're claiming, or alluding to, or hinting to - and they fall to pieces, refuse to answer pointed questions and become overly defensive? If you've got a lot of experience with alternative treatments and know something everyone else doesn't, then lets hear ALL about it. No need to be defensive, but be prepared to be specific and back up what you say or imply. That's not unfair, is it?
"I'm interested in how you have treated the hep c in your body."
As previously stated, I "treated" for years with alternative methods and then came to the realization that clean living and lots of exercise was the best thing going (surprise surprise). Then last August I enrolled in a Vertex drug trial which doses IFN+riba+VX950 and then IFN+riba after that ( thought it offered better odds of success than conventional SOC alone). I just got my 6 weeks post tx which was UND. Feeling better now and hoping to be cured. Oh, and those drugs brought my viral load to UND within 2 weeks (and have remained that way ever since). Many many others have too. You can see and talk to them on this forum and many other forums. That's something that can't be said about alternative treatments.
"My original posts were to encourage people to thoroughly do their research and to be responsible for their health"
Amen to that. People should thoroughly investigate colloidal silver, UV blood irradiation, ozone treatment, cow thymus, vibrational crystals and powered goat dingleberries for that matter. That way everyone would know none of those things will cure them of hepc. Only interferon, ribavirin and now protease inhibitors are known to cure people of hepatitis C. Being an informed patient who has done her research, I'm sure you agree with that - right?
"Are you a moderator of this forum? "
Nope. Whatever gave you that impression? Is asking you for specific/verifiable details about your rather bold attestments in favor of naturalistic treatments off limits? If so, why?
"Are you against alternative treatments?"
Nope, I'm not against alternative treatments. It's just I've never seen one that really works or significantly helps those with hep C (never seen one yet, anyway). In fact I searched for about ten years looking for one (in hopes of avoiding the dreaded IFN and riba). I read all kinds of books (including Buhner's seminal work) and tried many different substances over the years. I can't remember all of them now, but I've taken milk thistle (and continue to today), dandelion root, licorice, burdock root, reishi mushrooms, spirulina (i.e. pond scum), ascorbic acid, NAC, Vit E, Vit C, St John's wort, Zinc, selenium, turmeric, alpha lipoic acid, etc etc. That's all I can remember right now, but you get the idea. Anyway, none of them cured me of hepc and I really don't believe any of them were helping me in any significant manner. Although I do believe milk thistle probably helps to minimize damage done by drinking moderate amounts of alcohol...probably. The very best naturalistic treatment for hep C is abstaining from alcohol (although a little bit is ok once in a while), smoking and drugs etc, eating a healthy diet filled with fresh fruits and vegetables, whole grains, lean meats and lots of fresh water, plus plenty of vigorous aerobic exercise combined with resistance training. Not as easy as taking pills and supplements, but it'll help you more than any of the other stuff.
"Most of all, do you believe I have crossed over unspoken rules by sharing my experiences and those of others I have been in contact with over the last few decades?"
No I don't believe you have crossed over any unspoken rules by sharing your experiences. But you see, you haven't really shared any experiences have you? All you've done is give vague and non-specific advice about the "benefits" of alternative treatments over conventional treatment. You don't explain what it is you're doing and why it's so great nor do you explain how you've come to the firm and resolute conclusion it's so great. But, you do specifically state that you know people who have lowered their viral loads using colloidal silver - but again provide no specifics. Why is it that every time an advocate for naturalistic/alternative remedies (and/or a staunch critic of IFN/riba) steps forward to advocate what they're doing, and then their questioned in any way shape or form about the specifics of what they're claiming, or alluding to, or hinting to - and they fall to pieces, refuse to answer pointed questions and become overly defensive? If you've got a lot of experience with alternative treatments and know something everyone else doesn't, then lets hear ALL about it. No need to be defensive, but be prepared to be specific and back up what you say or imply. That's not unfair, is it?
"I'm interested in how you have treated the hep c in your body."
As previously stated, I "treated" for years with alternative methods and then came to the realization that clean living and lots of exercise was the best thing going (surprise surprise). Then last August I enrolled in a Vertex drug trial which doses IFN+riba+VX950 and then IFN+riba after that ( thought it offered better odds of success than conventional SOC alone). I just got my 6 weeks post tx which was UND. Feeling better now and hoping to be cured. Oh, and those drugs brought my viral load to UND within 2 weeks (and have remained that way ever since). Many many others have too. You can see and talk to them on this forum and many other forums. That's something that can't be said about alternative treatments.
Opal - here's what is going on in mremeet's mind.
We have a group of VERY - VERY sick people here. Diagnosed HCV. Some of them are violently ill.
Most of them are on medically supervised treatment - they are under a doctor's care.
Now - while alternative medicines have been shown to be helpful in some situations, there are many situations, that they have caused harm.
HOWEVER - NOT A SINGLE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE HAS BEEN FOUND TO CURE HCV.
Some of them may make the symptoms better --- and some of them may have liver toxicity.
Alternative medicines are not FDA approved - have not gone through strenuous testing - nor have they got the medical community behind them.
There are some people here who CANNOT clear the HCV... that cannot get past the virus --- the virus is continuing to replicate inside of them. They are DYING... And alternative medicines may be the straw that they grasp at to help them live... And those medicines could literally KILL THEM..
You get me an FDA approved, Clinically tested Alternative treatment - and I'll try it...
But until then, what alternative medicines are to people with liver diseases --- are only smoke and mirrors sales techniques --- where the sellers don't understand that their 'alternative medicines' could quite literally kill the people who ingest them.
That being said --- there are some great alternative medicines -- and the whole principle behind alternative medicines are great. The lifestyle is fantastic --- because most folks who live on alternative medicines are the types of folks who eat healthy - exercise and take care of their bodies.
But --- for us... for people who have or have had a disease of this type ---- it's DANGEROUS to give people false hope and information that not only won't cure them --- but may actually cause them to spiral into End Stage Liver Disease or Liver Cancer, etc.
No - he's not a moderator --- and like most of us - he isn't against Alternative Treatments... But we care about the people on this board... Both old posters and new posters alike.
You haven't crossed over any unspoken rules --- you just are holding the "golden carrot" out --- without understanding what that golden carrot represents... "hope" "dreams" and quite possibly death.
Everyone should be responsible for their health...
And yeah --- they should be able to research their information.
But until there IS the information that is a controlled study - a complete FDA breakdown - then what you're offering or what alternative medicines offer are nothing more than the "golden carrot" that we should never touch...
And Nina --- what you are treating with Alternative Medicines is not the HCV --- what you are treating are the side effects... the symptoms, if you will --- because you have chosen that route for you...
Most of us --- want the virus inside our bodies DEAD... We do not wish to coexist with them...
Interferon/Ribavirin are the ONLY methods that are currently producing results guaranteed - Millions of people worldwide can attest to that.
Science - and Pharmacies - while the main goal is usually to produce money --- they do work to try and cure the world while they are making money.
So - I put my faith in science... I may not always like the results - I may not like the methods or their greediness - but my faith is there with them.
Not so with Alternative Medicines.
Because I went to a TM --- once... And he told me - for my Asthma when I was having one of the worst episodes of Asthma (allergy related) that I had ever had ---- that I needed to go see a medical doctor.
And that told me all I ever needed to know ---- TM or AM --- is just another money grabber ---- another pill pusher ---- another herbalist that hasn't become scientifically educated.
There is a reason why doctors and scientists spend YEARS and DECADES in School and Education and Research.
So please --- don't post that Alternative Medicines are a CURE for HCV...
They may help the symptoms...
But they haven't CURED Hepatitis C in ANY way.
And to say differently ---- Please post the results --- and let's take that information to one of the major drug companies to run a trial.. And let's get it published and set up... so that the world can be cured.
Meki
We have a group of VERY - VERY sick people here. Diagnosed HCV. Some of them are violently ill.
Most of them are on medically supervised treatment - they are under a doctor's care.
Now - while alternative medicines have been shown to be helpful in some situations, there are many situations, that they have caused harm.
HOWEVER - NOT A SINGLE ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE HAS BEEN FOUND TO CURE HCV.
Some of them may make the symptoms better --- and some of them may have liver toxicity.
Alternative medicines are not FDA approved - have not gone through strenuous testing - nor have they got the medical community behind them.
There are some people here who CANNOT clear the HCV... that cannot get past the virus --- the virus is continuing to replicate inside of them. They are DYING... And alternative medicines may be the straw that they grasp at to help them live... And those medicines could literally KILL THEM..
You get me an FDA approved, Clinically tested Alternative treatment - and I'll try it...
But until then, what alternative medicines are to people with liver diseases --- are only smoke and mirrors sales techniques --- where the sellers don't understand that their 'alternative medicines' could quite literally kill the people who ingest them.
That being said --- there are some great alternative medicines -- and the whole principle behind alternative medicines are great. The lifestyle is fantastic --- because most folks who live on alternative medicines are the types of folks who eat healthy - exercise and take care of their bodies.
But --- for us... for people who have or have had a disease of this type ---- it's DANGEROUS to give people false hope and information that not only won't cure them --- but may actually cause them to spiral into End Stage Liver Disease or Liver Cancer, etc.
No - he's not a moderator --- and like most of us - he isn't against Alternative Treatments... But we care about the people on this board... Both old posters and new posters alike.
You haven't crossed over any unspoken rules --- you just are holding the "golden carrot" out --- without understanding what that golden carrot represents... "hope" "dreams" and quite possibly death.
Everyone should be responsible for their health...
And yeah --- they should be able to research their information.
But until there IS the information that is a controlled study - a complete FDA breakdown - then what you're offering or what alternative medicines offer are nothing more than the "golden carrot" that we should never touch...
And Nina --- what you are treating with Alternative Medicines is not the HCV --- what you are treating are the side effects... the symptoms, if you will --- because you have chosen that route for you...
Most of us --- want the virus inside our bodies DEAD... We do not wish to coexist with them...
Interferon/Ribavirin are the ONLY methods that are currently producing results guaranteed - Millions of people worldwide can attest to that.
Science - and Pharmacies - while the main goal is usually to produce money --- they do work to try and cure the world while they are making money.
So - I put my faith in science... I may not always like the results - I may not like the methods or their greediness - but my faith is there with them.
Not so with Alternative Medicines.
Because I went to a TM --- once... And he told me - for my Asthma when I was having one of the worst episodes of Asthma (allergy related) that I had ever had ---- that I needed to go see a medical doctor.
And that told me all I ever needed to know ---- TM or AM --- is just another money grabber ---- another pill pusher ---- another herbalist that hasn't become scientifically educated.
There is a reason why doctors and scientists spend YEARS and DECADES in School and Education and Research.
So please --- don't post that Alternative Medicines are a CURE for HCV...
They may help the symptoms...
But they haven't CURED Hepatitis C in ANY way.
And to say differently ---- Please post the results --- and let's take that information to one of the major drug companies to run a trial.. And let's get it published and set up... so that the world can be cured.
Meki
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