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government ban on natural cures?
http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/Dietary-Supplement-Safety-Act-of-2010.htm
I've been saying for years as soon as efficatious natural cures are recognized drug companies will seek to ban them and make their own, adding an isotope or 2...and now the legislation proves that's exactly where they are headed.
kiss your milk thistle goodbye...big brother is looking out for you......not
mb
I've been saying for years as soon as efficatious natural cures are recognized drug companies will seek to ban them and make their own, adding an isotope or 2...and now the legislation proves that's exactly where they are headed.
kiss your milk thistle goodbye...big brother is looking out for you......not
mb
Not that I am a J. McCain fan but could you at least post the bill? This seams to be a one sided agenda (witch hunt) with out all the facts. At what point should companies be he held accountable for their claims.
point well taken
here's the legislation
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=2fe2fa5d-636b-4705-97df-8318a24f718f
I think the important thing to remember is there is nothing NOW that prevents a pharma from adding a couple of isotopes on to a natural product...in fact, it's where some of their recent advances have stemmed. But the crucial thing is, if thye plan on selling something for hundreds they have to eliminate the competion and unfortunately some unwary senators are playing right into their hands here. Cheese has done slipped of the cracker on this one.
But then, no one was watching when Bechtel made it illegal for the Bolivians to gather their own rainwater...same ideas....WE will sell you what you need...and you will PAY....in that case, they paid 25% of their income for water with no alternatives, the alternatives were made illegal.
actually legislation in canda of a similar nature came out recently...they marched in the streets and stopped it. Of course government owns the banks and research there...and we are well on our way to the same.
mb
here's the legislation
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=2fe2fa5d-636b-4705-97df-8318a24f718f
I think the important thing to remember is there is nothing NOW that prevents a pharma from adding a couple of isotopes on to a natural product...in fact, it's where some of their recent advances have stemmed. But the crucial thing is, if thye plan on selling something for hundreds they have to eliminate the competion and unfortunately some unwary senators are playing right into their hands here. Cheese has done slipped of the cracker on this one.
But then, no one was watching when Bechtel made it illegal for the Bolivians to gather their own rainwater...same ideas....WE will sell you what you need...and you will PAY....in that case, they paid 25% of their income for water with no alternatives, the alternatives were made illegal.
actually legislation in canda of a similar nature came out recently...they marched in the streets and stopped it. Of course government owns the banks and research there...and we are well on our way to the same.
mb
The other side of the coin is that there is no law preventing Mat_ from claiming his juicing recipe is a cure for HCV and marketing it. Getting rich and killing millions.
we could learn from canada
http://www.whale.to/a/c51_policy_statement.html
we could learn from Bolivia as well. Bechtel claimed they would bring SAFETY in drinking water to the people...they didn't tell them that they would then buy votes until the water would cost then 25% of their average salaries, they didn't tell them that they would make it illegal to gather rain water from their own roofs to supplement the high cost...but of course, that all did happen.
sounds Orwelian, but when it happens you have to stop acting like these things can't ever happen here. They happen all over the world...why would we be immune.
mb
http://www.whale.to/a/c51_policy_statement.html
we could learn from Bolivia as well. Bechtel claimed they would bring SAFETY in drinking water to the people...they didn't tell them that they would then buy votes until the water would cost then 25% of their average salaries, they didn't tell them that they would make it illegal to gather rain water from their own roofs to supplement the high cost...but of course, that all did happen.
sounds Orwelian, but when it happens you have to stop acting like these things can't ever happen here. They happen all over the world...why would we be immune.
mb
Thanks for posting the bill. I will have to read it tomorrow because I have a Migraine and I have to go to work in the morning.
true enough, but then, there was nothing preventing the drug company from charging me 300K for a cure that didn't work. that's 300,000 dollars when all was said and done.
and the "cure" didn't work.
I could have bought the vegetable juice and done as well, and saved 299,000 K.
But one is considered criminal deceit and the other is not...maybe we need to rethink all that. I mean, one set of molecules doesn't hold all the answers, obviously.
mb
and the "cure" didn't work.
I could have bought the vegetable juice and done as well, and saved 299,000 K.
But one is considered criminal deceit and the other is not...maybe we need to rethink all that. I mean, one set of molecules doesn't hold all the answers, obviously.
mb
"The other side of the coin is that there is no law preventing Mat_ from claiming his juicing recipe is a cure for HCV and marketing it. Getting rich and killing millions."
I would never accept a single penny for any information about how I healed my Mom and Dad. I give away the knowledge for free out of the goodness of my heart. I would never write a book on it, instead I give it away for free on the internet. I can't hold such wonderful information at ransom, it is meant for everyone, at no cost. Not just for me and my parents.
I've already gotten the reward I wanted. My parents were healed. That is greater than any amount of money or power on Earth in my view. My whole family benefitted from my reward. I would have traded the Sun and the Moon for the lives of my parents if I could have. Every single person on this Earth has more value than all the money and riches of the entire World.
Matt Chin
I would never accept a single penny for any information about how I healed my Mom and Dad. I give away the knowledge for free out of the goodness of my heart. I would never write a book on it, instead I give it away for free on the internet. I can't hold such wonderful information at ransom, it is meant for everyone, at no cost. Not just for me and my parents.
I've already gotten the reward I wanted. My parents were healed. That is greater than any amount of money or power on Earth in my view. My whole family benefitted from my reward. I would have traded the Sun and the Moon for the lives of my parents if I could have. Every single person on this Earth has more value than all the money and riches of the entire World.
Matt Chin
The point was, there is no law preventing you from making such claims and marketing it.
Claims made with no documentation to back it up (Lord knows we have asked for it).
I rest my case.
<<<<Leaving for work
Claims made with no documentation to back it up (Lord knows we have asked for it).
I rest my case.
<<<<Leaving for work
"actually legislation in canda of a similar nature came out recently...they marched in the streets and stopped it. Of course government owns the banks and research there...and we are well on our way to the same. "
They must have done that marching in the streets when I was on treatment, because I missed all the hullabaloo. When I read the bill, I see protection for consumers. When others read the bill, they talk in extreme measures that you won't be able to buy natural products any more without a prescription, which is false and misleading.
As for the Canadian government owning the banks, that's patently false. There is a Bank of Canada and the government regulates banking in this country but the government does not own the banks. The government regulates banking in the U.S. as well and I say this with no criticism, you could have done with better regulations that might have avoided some of the financial collapses you've seen. Canada wasn't hit nearly as hard, partly BECAUSE of the regulations on the banks that we have in place. That isn't because our government owns the banks, we simply have better regulations in place.
As for government owning research - I'm not sure how you've stretched into that one either. Alot of funding for research comes from the government but that doesn't mean it's the only source of funding for research nor does it mean that no research occurs here without the government saying so.
They must have done that marching in the streets when I was on treatment, because I missed all the hullabaloo. When I read the bill, I see protection for consumers. When others read the bill, they talk in extreme measures that you won't be able to buy natural products any more without a prescription, which is false and misleading.
As for the Canadian government owning the banks, that's patently false. There is a Bank of Canada and the government regulates banking in this country but the government does not own the banks. The government regulates banking in the U.S. as well and I say this with no criticism, you could have done with better regulations that might have avoided some of the financial collapses you've seen. Canada wasn't hit nearly as hard, partly BECAUSE of the regulations on the banks that we have in place. That isn't because our government owns the banks, we simply have better regulations in place.
As for government owning research - I'm not sure how you've stretched into that one either. Alot of funding for research comes from the government but that doesn't mean it's the only source of funding for research nor does it mean that no research occurs here without the government saying so.
well, I am tired of the government using legislation instead of education to "protect" me, especially when it means that they will be using my money to do so, apply it however they want without accountability to me on how they use or misuse it. Legislation to force me to wear seatbelts, and ticketing me for not doing so; if I am stupid enough to know that it saves lives and choose not to use them, so be it. Legislation to ban plastic baby bottles, instead of recalling and educating folks to avoid them, and this before they have proof that there is a real danger. Legislation to force fast food rest. to post nutritional data and to warn of the dangers of wrong foods, because some individuals stuffed their faces and got 200 extra lbs on them! It is the shift from personal responsibility to blaming everyone else for our lack of common sense. I for one don't feel that the govt needs to protect me from vitamin B supplements. They already restrict the claims they can place on the supplements, and companies are complying, the reputable ones. I doubt that this legislation's wording will include what people like Matt can claim. I think that it will affect the reputable companies only. Matt and people like him can still sell their snake oil without restrictions because they are not organized and incorporated. I say no to that bill. Thank you for posting this.
I'll take an educated populace willing to take responsibility for their behaviour to a law any day - but how common is that nowadays.
Everyone wants the protection of the FDA, CDC, etc, but they also want the freedom to take whatever they want AND to sue everyone in sight for any side effects.
Please feel free to take anything you want, just don't cause my healthcare premiums to go up. (Oops, semi-political)
Everyone wants the protection of the FDA, CDC, etc, but they also want the freedom to take whatever they want AND to sue everyone in sight for any side effects.
Please feel free to take anything you want, just don't cause my healthcare premiums to go up. (Oops, semi-political)
If I remember correctly something like this was talked about a few years ago. I remember being POed about it. Don't have time right now to look it up right now but will shortly.
"'ll take an educated populace willing to take responsibility for their behaviour to a law any day - but how common is that nowadays. "
I'd take good behaviour from humanity over a law any day myself. It also takes a populace with a common integrity that has the same moral code. That ain't going to happen. Laws protect from the unprincipled and the unscrupulous. Unfortunately, they live amongst us. If people are going to get angry, get angry at those who cause laws to be made.
I'd take good behaviour from humanity over a law any day myself. It also takes a populace with a common integrity that has the same moral code. That ain't going to happen. Laws protect from the unprincipled and the unscrupulous. Unfortunately, they live amongst us. If people are going to get angry, get angry at those who cause laws to be made.
if this law is going to restrict those that are selling their own personal cures or recipes for cures online to whomever believe in them, I can see how it might protect the vulnerable and gullible,or possibly the general population, but it will affect the companies that are already under the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act regulation Those that are already complying with labeling, dosage, and ingredients' regulations.
Giving FDA free range to interfere anytime they apply their wide classification and interpretation of "adulteration" and "reformulation" "adverse" thereby overwhelming the supplement companies with tons of forms, paperwork that they will have to complete and gather each time they decide to add an antioxidant to an existing supplement, (ie Vitamin C now with Acerola), as well as severe penalties, seems like the govt's way of exercising unneeded control of these companies. It allows FDA to focus in petty items in order to overwhelm, overwork, and stress them financially each time they have to provide studies that show Acerola is safe to use.
This Bill will not address all those side ads that we see on this and other health related websites, where there are claims of health benefits by using this or another product, or recipe. Sites that are distributors for the supplement manufactured in another country. I don't see the need for the mentioned amendments in McAin's Bill, it does seem to be aimed to overwhelm reputable supplement companies in the USA, therefore placing undue demands that might eventually make it difficult to continue manufacturing and selling in this country. These amendments in this bill go too far, in my view. I am contacting my representatives and oppose it. This is just MY opinion and view of this Bill as it reads at present.
Giving FDA free range to interfere anytime they apply their wide classification and interpretation of "adulteration" and "reformulation" "adverse" thereby overwhelming the supplement companies with tons of forms, paperwork that they will have to complete and gather each time they decide to add an antioxidant to an existing supplement, (ie Vitamin C now with Acerola), as well as severe penalties, seems like the govt's way of exercising unneeded control of these companies. It allows FDA to focus in petty items in order to overwhelm, overwork, and stress them financially each time they have to provide studies that show Acerola is safe to use.
This Bill will not address all those side ads that we see on this and other health related websites, where there are claims of health benefits by using this or another product, or recipe. Sites that are distributors for the supplement manufactured in another country. I don't see the need for the mentioned amendments in McAin's Bill, it does seem to be aimed to overwhelm reputable supplement companies in the USA, therefore placing undue demands that might eventually make it difficult to continue manufacturing and selling in this country. These amendments in this bill go too far, in my view. I am contacting my representatives and oppose it. This is just MY opinion and view of this Bill as it reads at present.
On another note ..."there was nothing preventing the drug company from charging me 300K for a cure that didn't work. that's 300,000 dollars when all was said and done.
and the "cure" didn't work. "
The drug company offers you information with the percentage of people that might be cured, the type of determinants that might influence whether you attain RVR and SVR. They have to charge you, much like Jenny Craig would charge you for their services and items that claim to help you loose excess wt and keep it off. The fact that some do not achieve the goal does not make the charges unfair and deceiving. Some of us do achieve the cure and some of us do loose the excess wt. I can't see any company that will guarantee your money back if you don't get better or keep your wt off. It is unrealistic.
and the "cure" didn't work. "
The drug company offers you information with the percentage of people that might be cured, the type of determinants that might influence whether you attain RVR and SVR. They have to charge you, much like Jenny Craig would charge you for their services and items that claim to help you loose excess wt and keep it off. The fact that some do not achieve the goal does not make the charges unfair and deceiving. Some of us do achieve the cure and some of us do loose the excess wt. I can't see any company that will guarantee your money back if you don't get better or keep your wt off. It is unrealistic.
I should clarify that MY comments up above have to do with the Canadian bill C-51 and only because merryBe brought Canada into this. I have no comment on the American bill as I know nothing about it.
MerryBe, I asked for a copy of the Bill and you responded with a copy of someone’s opinion of a 2 year old Canadian Bill (C-51 Policy Statement - Canadian Natural Health Coalition)
My heart goes out to you (this is sincere and not a cliché) but you need to provide more evidence and less emotion before making such claims.
Please post a copy of the original bill so we can come to our own conclusion. Thanks, Ricky.
My heart goes out to you (this is sincere and not a cliché) but you need to provide more evidence and less emotion before making such claims.
Please post a copy of the original bill so we can come to our own conclusion. Thanks, Ricky.
“Oops, semi-political”
It is hard to bite the tongue at times.
(Sorry for so many post but I am having computer problems.)
It is hard to bite the tongue at times.
(Sorry for so many post but I am having computer problems.)
here it is, I posted it above, you just missed it
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=2fe2fa5d-636b-4705-97df-8318a24f718f
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=2fe2fa5d-636b-4705-97df-8318a24f718f
I agree, and actually that was not my point. I still think people should treat with pharmaceuticals, it's still the best shot anyone has, albeit far from perfect.
My point however, was the imperfection, was the fact that many Rx type cure have 50, or 40 or even only a 5% cure rate....and that should give us pause, and pause to consider whether drug companies can claim the higher ground here, when in fact some of their cures work no better than their "natural" competitors. Whether not having the high ground they should be allowed to peddle influences in order to restrain any and everything they don't have a stake in.
That's all.
mb
My point however, was the imperfection, was the fact that many Rx type cure have 50, or 40 or even only a 5% cure rate....and that should give us pause, and pause to consider whether drug companies can claim the higher ground here, when in fact some of their cures work no better than their "natural" competitors. Whether not having the high ground they should be allowed to peddle influences in order to restrain any and everything they don't have a stake in.
That's all.
mb
Here's a UTube video showing how things like juicing should at least be considered as alternatives. Not to say we should abandon all practical medicine.... just that some alternatives or forms of complimentary medicine need a much closer look.
I warn you though that the images in this video are graphic showing horrible looking tumors and disfigurement from cancer that was healed with juicing. The before images are very disturbing, the after images are amazing... viewer discretion is advised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShqKk3fasZA
I warn you though that the images in this video are graphic showing horrible looking tumors and disfigurement from cancer that was healed with juicing. The before images are very disturbing, the after images are amazing... viewer discretion is advised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShqKk3fasZA
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