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homeopathic cures for Hep C
I was diagnosed with hep c several months ago, went through the normal horror, and then found this board through the extensive info search that I'm sure we all go through. I then put myself back together, found I am type 3a, am looking into the LabCorp's Fibrosure test instead of biopsy, and got a hepatologist that I see next week to replace the disgusting monster GI that I had for a few months. I know now that a hepatologist is the way to go. Last year I felt pretty bad, fatigue etc, my viral lode was 1,050,000, AST 152 ALT 98 approx, and then started in on my homeopathic treatment.
My husband's doctor in Italy has treated many Hep C patients, and I was very willing to give it a try after reading about the horror stories of interferon. Some doctors in Europe (mine included) think our Hep C treatment here is not only useless but dangerous. He is even completely against live biopsy's.
I have been treating with homeopathic meds, unfortunately here we are brainwashed to believe that is all hocus pocus, but I'll tell you, my viral lode is now down to 119,000 AST 95 ALT 55, and I feel better than I ever have in my entire life.
I will know more later of coure as a few more months go by.
Homeopathic is scientifically proven, and it's just a shame that you never hear about this option here in the US, I know the traditional treatment here is big business so 'options' are
'dismissed' as not viable. Just wanted to put my homeopathic 2 cents in to see if there is anybody else out there that ever considered this route?
Am looking forward to my new Hep Dr 'reading' my ultra sound!
My husband's doctor in Italy has treated many Hep C patients, and I was very willing to give it a try after reading about the horror stories of interferon. Some doctors in Europe (mine included) think our Hep C treatment here is not only useless but dangerous. He is even completely against live biopsy's.
I have been treating with homeopathic meds, unfortunately here we are brainwashed to believe that is all hocus pocus, but I'll tell you, my viral lode is now down to 119,000 AST 95 ALT 55, and I feel better than I ever have in my entire life.
I will know more later of coure as a few more months go by.
Homeopathic is scientifically proven, and it's just a shame that you never hear about this option here in the US, I know the traditional treatment here is big business so 'options' are
'dismissed' as not viable. Just wanted to put my homeopathic 2 cents in to see if there is anybody else out there that ever considered this route?
Am looking forward to my new Hep Dr 'reading' my ultra sound!
Certainly no one in this thread has said they aren't open to alternatives, ANY alternative that WORKS. It has nothing to do with "big pharma" if there was a homeopathic remedy we wouldn't need "big pharma" to sanction it's use at all, we'd all go for it and be cured, big pharma be damned. There might not be incentive for them to study various remedies, but that doesn't mean studies haven't been done in the past or aren't going on now. There are studies going on right now looking into various alternative remedies. Im sure the moment someone can produce hard evidence that any of these things work, then we will all be free of this virus.
the problem is, NONE of the alternative or homeopathic remedies actually work to eradicate the virus.
the problem is, NONE of the alternative or homeopathic remedies actually work to eradicate the virus.
jane, are you taking carduus marianus mothertinctures, or chelidonium and lycopodium?
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personally, i believe herbs and homeopathy can CURE, or automatically remit, HCV in at least SOME people. these people may be predisposed for automatic remittance.
why do i say this? because, we all know that some very rare people actually spontaneously clear HCV even in the chronic phase. homoepathy may actually encourage spontaeneous remittance, and cause such cases to be more frequent than otherwise imagined.
my own study of homeopathy leads me to theorize that homeopathy taken over a period of many years, like for example 2 or 3 years constantly, may, in at least SOME people, actually slowly reduce, and finally eliminate the HCV virus, leading to a negative PCR. of course i have never encountered anyone whom i can personally verify. but nevertheless, this is a belief i have, which stems from my study of homeopathy and my conversations with my dad.
the reason i didnt actually experiment with long term homeopathy myself were as follows:
>i didnt want to expose my family to possible blood exposure over a period of many years.
>my short duration of infection predicted good response chances with interferon treatment. i didnt want to increase that duration.
>i wanted to get it over with
now i'm in my 9th week of pegasys and ribavirin treatment. side effects can be pretty severe sometimes, but most of the time i'm just okay.
i actually tried homeopathy for 3 months before interferon treatment. it caused ALT to normalize to 24 on at least one instance.
i was getting slight palmar erythema with simultaenous rapidly devfeloping telangectasia on my chest and ankles, and that caused me to panic and rush into interferon treatment. also, the fact that i was young, with a short infection period, and better able to tolerate the tx figured in my decision to treat.
my pre tx viral load ranged around 70,000 to 12,000 IU/ML. infected less than 4 years. genotype 3a. age 25.
UND at 4 weeks and 7 weeks. now in my 9th week.
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personally, i believe herbs and homeopathy can CURE, or automatically remit, HCV in at least SOME people. these people may be predisposed for automatic remittance.
why do i say this? because, we all know that some very rare people actually spontaneously clear HCV even in the chronic phase. homoepathy may actually encourage spontaeneous remittance, and cause such cases to be more frequent than otherwise imagined.
my own study of homeopathy leads me to theorize that homeopathy taken over a period of many years, like for example 2 or 3 years constantly, may, in at least SOME people, actually slowly reduce, and finally eliminate the HCV virus, leading to a negative PCR. of course i have never encountered anyone whom i can personally verify. but nevertheless, this is a belief i have, which stems from my study of homeopathy and my conversations with my dad.
the reason i didnt actually experiment with long term homeopathy myself were as follows:
>i didnt want to expose my family to possible blood exposure over a period of many years.
>my short duration of infection predicted good response chances with interferon treatment. i didnt want to increase that duration.
>i wanted to get it over with
now i'm in my 9th week of pegasys and ribavirin treatment. side effects can be pretty severe sometimes, but most of the time i'm just okay.
i actually tried homeopathy for 3 months before interferon treatment. it caused ALT to normalize to 24 on at least one instance.
i was getting slight palmar erythema with simultaenous rapidly devfeloping telangectasia on my chest and ankles, and that caused me to panic and rush into interferon treatment. also, the fact that i was young, with a short infection period, and better able to tolerate the tx figured in my decision to treat.
my pre tx viral load ranged around 70,000 to 12,000 IU/ML. infected less than 4 years. genotype 3a. age 25.
UND at 4 weeks and 7 weeks. now in my 9th week.
thank you for your post. I am taking Vincetoxicum, Sulphur, Phosphorus, iodum, hepatitis c, and will see where it takes me.
I understand wanting to 'get it over with' I really do.
I am in a torn state right now. Not 100% which way I will end up going, homeopathic or traditional. I think I will have a much better idea after I see my hepatologist and get a biopsy.
I'm assuming I will be getting a biopsy. If I have 'time', then I will continue the homeopathic route, at this point I'm just damn curious. My doctor in Italy is so POSITIVE that he can COMPLETELY get rid of the virus.
I would love nothing more in the world than this homeopathic treatment working, I know some people here consider this just a hopeful naive pipedream, but I do have some faith in it, I do.
Fantasizing that my doctor may actually be able to cure me, and then I can share with others, this will either turn out to be just that, a fantasy, or the most important thing I will ever share with people in my life.
Take care, I wish you the best with your treatment, and I am 'here'.
I understand wanting to 'get it over with' I really do.
I am in a torn state right now. Not 100% which way I will end up going, homeopathic or traditional. I think I will have a much better idea after I see my hepatologist and get a biopsy.
I'm assuming I will be getting a biopsy. If I have 'time', then I will continue the homeopathic route, at this point I'm just damn curious. My doctor in Italy is so POSITIVE that he can COMPLETELY get rid of the virus.
I would love nothing more in the world than this homeopathic treatment working, I know some people here consider this just a hopeful naive pipedream, but I do have some faith in it, I do.
Fantasizing that my doctor may actually be able to cure me, and then I can share with others, this will either turn out to be just that, a fantasy, or the most important thing I will ever share with people in my life.
Take care, I wish you the best with your treatment, and I am 'here'.
Boy have you been through a lot! Cance, a variceal bleed, my goodness that is a lot to handle and then on top of that HCV. You must be a very strong person to live through all of that!
I am glad to hear you are having a positive response to using those remedies. That is the same regimen I plan to use in the future. I definately believe that you have had excellent improvement, I have heard similar stories of improvement. Did you also have a PCR for the viral load? Im curious how low the viral load is or is it undetectable? You could be right and the PegIntron was enough to jumpstart your immune system into wiping the virus out. that is what the treatment does, it is intended to "train" our immune systems to be able to "see" the virus. I can't tell by the post if you have a viral load. I know there are other things you can add to your regimen that are supposed to reverse liver fibrosis in trials right now. Hopefully they will pan out and benefit us both.
Another very important aspect is nutrition, not just what we eat but also I was told it is very important to take in small meals 4 or 5 times a day to ease liver stress. I guess larger meals are harder on our livers. A diet of leafy greens and fresh fruits, fish, chicken and limited carbs and no red meat or saturated fats is good. Also sugar is hard on our livers, and here I was gobbling ice cream. I stopped that and now use a good protein powder w/milk/yogurt instead.
Unfortunately Im not suprised your doctors missed your HCV. I had a back issue and my surgeon, my regular doc and a second doctor I was seeing all missed the HCV and diagnosed me with a "drug allergy" I continued to decline and got sicker and more infections and finally a new doctor I saw due to relocating caught it. He said I didn't "fit the profile of an HCV patient"
It seems just plain dumb to me that they don't test routinely for it to rule it out. Especially since they know that the majority of people with this virus have no idea they have it.
Im so glad to hear you are on the mend and your liver is healing. If you can keep it suppressed and it isn't hurting you, that's the ticket. I know there are a lot of people who can't tolerate the tretments for one reason or another and these remedies can be a way they can keep the virus down.
Just wondering if you don't mind saying, where do you buy the NAT?
I am glad to hear you are having a positive response to using those remedies. That is the same regimen I plan to use in the future. I definately believe that you have had excellent improvement, I have heard similar stories of improvement. Did you also have a PCR for the viral load? Im curious how low the viral load is or is it undetectable? You could be right and the PegIntron was enough to jumpstart your immune system into wiping the virus out. that is what the treatment does, it is intended to "train" our immune systems to be able to "see" the virus. I can't tell by the post if you have a viral load. I know there are other things you can add to your regimen that are supposed to reverse liver fibrosis in trials right now. Hopefully they will pan out and benefit us both.
Another very important aspect is nutrition, not just what we eat but also I was told it is very important to take in small meals 4 or 5 times a day to ease liver stress. I guess larger meals are harder on our livers. A diet of leafy greens and fresh fruits, fish, chicken and limited carbs and no red meat or saturated fats is good. Also sugar is hard on our livers, and here I was gobbling ice cream. I stopped that and now use a good protein powder w/milk/yogurt instead.
Unfortunately Im not suprised your doctors missed your HCV. I had a back issue and my surgeon, my regular doc and a second doctor I was seeing all missed the HCV and diagnosed me with a "drug allergy" I continued to decline and got sicker and more infections and finally a new doctor I saw due to relocating caught it. He said I didn't "fit the profile of an HCV patient"
It seems just plain dumb to me that they don't test routinely for it to rule it out. Especially since they know that the majority of people with this virus have no idea they have it.
Im so glad to hear you are on the mend and your liver is healing. If you can keep it suppressed and it isn't hurting you, that's the ticket. I know there are a lot of people who can't tolerate the tretments for one reason or another and these remedies can be a way they can keep the virus down.
Just wondering if you don't mind saying, where do you buy the NAT?
I agree, I think using alternative methods as an adjunct to standard treatment or for those who are not treating can be a good thing. I also think those who don't have liver damage and are trying to wait on better treatments can use them to help limit their inflammation and symptoms. I am all for it if the patient educates themself and uses them carefully and knows what they are taking. One problem I have seen is people will start in taking these "remedies" and they end up with their enzymes shooting up or have other problems arise. Alternative remedies should be treated with the same respect as "other" drugs, jsut because they are "natural" doesn't mean they can't be toxic or cause harm. It is unfortunate that the incentive to study these products isn't there because the pharma companies who paid for those studies can not patent those products, so they have no incentive to study them because anyone and their brother could sell them.
As far as "proof" goes, if ANY doctor can show me a patient's DNA PCR results a year post showing they have cleared the virus after using any alternative treatments, then I would be satisfied. That is all the "proof" that is needed, being able to show the virus is gone through DNA testing. So far lots make the claim, but not one can show the test results that prove the claims. Lowering the viral load or lowering the enzymes is not enough. I just want to see their negative DNA test results.
A small portion of people DO clear the virus on their own, with no drugs of any kind. Their immune systems are able to beat it. I wish they could study them and find out how that happens, maybe that would offer a solution to the rest of us who's immune systems don't have the same power.
Let's hope a solution is found soon for us all!
Are you taking alternative remedies? I lan to sue a full regimen of them to attempt to help reverse some of my liver damage after I finish treatment. Im afraid to use most of them during treatment because they can be contraindicated. I do take probiotics and vitamins and I use whey protein daily.
Hope you are feeling ok and getting through the Holiday season.
As far as "proof" goes, if ANY doctor can show me a patient's DNA PCR results a year post showing they have cleared the virus after using any alternative treatments, then I would be satisfied. That is all the "proof" that is needed, being able to show the virus is gone through DNA testing. So far lots make the claim, but not one can show the test results that prove the claims. Lowering the viral load or lowering the enzymes is not enough. I just want to see their negative DNA test results.
A small portion of people DO clear the virus on their own, with no drugs of any kind. Their immune systems are able to beat it. I wish they could study them and find out how that happens, maybe that would offer a solution to the rest of us who's immune systems don't have the same power.
Let's hope a solution is found soon for us all!
Are you taking alternative remedies? I lan to sue a full regimen of them to attempt to help reverse some of my liver damage after I finish treatment. Im afraid to use most of them during treatment because they can be contraindicated. I do take probiotics and vitamins and I use whey protein daily.
Hope you are feeling ok and getting through the Holiday season.
Yes, a friends' advice and discontinued Tx (per Dr.s orders) persuaded me to give alternative Tx a try. I was Dx w/HCV geno 1a after being hospitalized from variceal bleed. I survived a bout with colon cancer and subsequent chemo Tx in 2002 and had always associated the HCV symptoms with the chemo.
Between the variceal bleed, PT (14.8), ALT(147), AST (145) etc. test results, the liver damage assesment was not good. I was denied Tx from one Dr due to contraindication, convinced other doc potential benefit outweighed risk. 7 weeks later I had to discontinue and decided to order the alternative Tx meds -Sep 12.
Oct 2 labs with the exception of AST (43) and Tot Bilirubin(2.8)
my CBC and metabolic panel results were in normal ranges. I wont blame you if you dont believe it - I barely do myself. My guess is the Peg/Reb killed the virus and the alt Tx has helped with recovery of liver functions.
At the risk of being rediculed I take the following: Milk Thistle, Lipoic Acid, Dandelion root, Selenium, and Natcell TLM
Oh by the way - can you believe they didn't catch the HCV during the chemo - I mean only 20 or so blood tests taken back then.
Between the variceal bleed, PT (14.8), ALT(147), AST (145) etc. test results, the liver damage assesment was not good. I was denied Tx from one Dr due to contraindication, convinced other doc potential benefit outweighed risk. 7 weeks later I had to discontinue and decided to order the alternative Tx meds -Sep 12.
Oct 2 labs with the exception of AST (43) and Tot Bilirubin(2.8)
my CBC and metabolic panel results were in normal ranges. I wont blame you if you dont believe it - I barely do myself. My guess is the Peg/Reb killed the virus and the alt Tx has helped with recovery of liver functions.
At the risk of being rediculed I take the following: Milk Thistle, Lipoic Acid, Dandelion root, Selenium, and Natcell TLM
Oh by the way - can you believe they didn't catch the HCV during the chemo - I mean only 20 or so blood tests taken back then.
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