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148987 tn?1287805926

Billary Clinton Un-electable ?

Now that political discussion has been opened up here, and I guess it always was, I would like to take this opportunity to join in. With the political season upon us I want to make sure that my views, or at least, some view, is consumed by all. If you don't like this thread, please feel free to ignore it and the many others that will follow in the coming months.  

With the general election drawing near, the democrats appear to be on the road to self destruction. As James Carville said last year, 'The only people that can beat the democrats in 08 is the democrats themselvs.' No truer words have been spoken. By nominating a candidate with the highest negative voter rating of any candidate in the last 20 years, they essentially guarantee the republicans could run a monkey for president, again, and win.

But alas the republicans don't have a monkey. They do have a philanderer, a preacher, an actor, and the Manchurian Candidate, but alas, not a monkey in sight. This is bad news for the republicans although democratic voters do have a soft place in their heart for philanderers. Who would have thought 20 or 30 years ago this was a polling plus.

As usual the issues will be lost. The Iraq war has essentially fallen off the map as a major issue for voters, replaced by illegal immigration and the economy. The question is, do the democrats have anyone that can win or was Carville right ?
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131817 tn?1209529311
Have a good restoritive sleep.  I appreiciate your comments, although I may not disagree at times, you are respectiful and can debate with dignity.  I will be happy to look over your labs. After 47 weeks of looking at MY labs, I have become pretty good at it.  

Hugs!
Linda
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206807 tn?1331936184
If you can give me about a week and a half I will have my 4th week labs in and while I am there I will get copies of all of my Blood Work. My 2 week labs showed my Enzymes have returned to normal. I would be more than happy to share them and appreciate ya’ll explaining them to me because I don’t quite understand all of them. Going to bed now and hope all has a good night’s rest.
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If you can give me about a week and a half I will have my 4th week labs in and while I am there I will get copies of all of my Blood Work. My 2 week labs showed my Enzymes have returned to normal. I would be more than happy to share them and appreciate ya’ll explaining them to me because I don’t quite understand all of them. Going to bed now and hope all has a good night’s rest.
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131817 tn?1209529311
Please post your labs, specifically the WBC and HGB and ANC..  Reading these labs became a real passion of mine, since the Dr's don't give a damn.  Also where did you start. Was your Hgb (hemoglobin) at 16 and 4 weeks later 11?  That makes a huge difference.  Get copies of all your labs and if you are dropping as you say, get a standing order so you can get tested once a week, if needed.  Off topic,  but this stuff I do know. Politics, love to dabble in but since tx I have researched more hep stuff than politics.  You can PM me or post here, whatever. I am concerned about you.
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131817 tn?1209529311
Glad to hear you are better. I had low platelets too. Down to 60 at one point.  They are back up to 144 as of Nov.  amazing.  

I love your take on Katrina. You are so right.  Chertoff was the biggest fraud, haven't heard about your Gov. but I believe you.  What a sham and a shame.  New Orleans is gone, that is a damn shame and it didn't have to be if we had only listened to the engineers.  Very sad.  

Yep,  people take advantage of situations like New Orleans. They could have taken the buses and didn't. I am sure even without keys, some could have hot wired those buses.  And those that are just staying on, years afterwards in FEMA trailers.....almost like welfare, huh?  Although,  I do believe some deserve welfare, most ruined it for themselves by abusing it.  

As far as Malibu,  I think New Orleans was a pretty hot spot too.  If not for the Gov. and Chertoff, perhaps if they were in charge of Malibu, it would have gone down too. Although, with the money in Malibu, I am sure they would have gotten out despite the Gov, Chertoff or anyone else!!
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86075 tn?1238115091
just wanted to say, you look very handsome in your pic, and your granddaughter is a little doll! what a cutie....very nice pic....
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86075 tn?1238115091
hey, you know youre way around here huh? tomorrow I am doing my annual thing that I do each year with my friends....we're going to the snow in the mountains in Angeles Crest (about an hour drive) then we're going to Malibu for dinner...it's kind of surreal to do this...there's a lot of snow in the mountains around here right now...my doggie's gonna love it!
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338734 tn?1377160168
The residents of Malibu are probably better situated to help themselves. And Calif would not let them stew in their own sweat, regardless of FEMA, etc. If it was Compton, instead of Malibu, well ...... who knows? I guess that is your point.
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86075 tn?1238115091
and I want to take a break from being political, God knows I need to...but if somehow we made some type of analogy...and say, we had a flood here, and there was a that many handsomely paid people here in Malibu, stranded and waiting to get out...does anybody here think that these people wouldn't have gotten a tad better response from the govt, fema, everybody involved? Do you think that they'd be left in stadiums with nothing but their own sweat to live on for days on end? I don't think this issue is so much racist, as classist....(with maybe a little racism there, who knows?) course this is all speculation and hypotheticals which mean practically nothing...but that's just my gut feeling, for whatevers that worth....
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206807 tn?1331936184
Yes I do feel better and thanks for asking. My last Blood Work showed I am not anemic but I am border line (what ever the hell that means) and my platelets are low. I asked them what I should be doing and was told to stay away from sharp objects. I thought. It is 2008 and stay away from sharp objects is the best you can come up with.
Back to Katrina, yes Nagin was re-elected Mayor but it was one of the most fraudulent elections ever held. This will be another story for another time. The Story of The Florida Ballots can’t hold a candle to the Nagin Re-election
I Blame Blanco, Nagin, FEMA, and yes some of the blame has to go back on the shoulders of quite a few of the “So Called Stranded.” If you look at some of the Old News Clips, you will see the sick and the elderly. For the most part, you will see young and able bodied people that could have walked to safer ground if they would have left when the “Voluntary Evacuation was issued, or even drove the hundreds of busses left abandoned. Don’t forget, we are talking about New Orleans; they didn’t need the keys to the buses.
The reason why I do not fault the Bush administration is because they basically had to take over New Orleans from Blanco.
Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, decided to take over the federal, state, and local operations officially on August 30, 2005, citing the National Response Plan. On August 31 Gen. (Lt.) Honoree to take over the National Guard and restore Law and Order in New Orleans.
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338734 tn?1377160168
Been watching this thread and reading some very interesting comments. I think there was not much Bush could have done to prevent Katrina (despite the implications from the left).  Mainly, nature is the culprit. Entropy will always increase. But it seems that we need to assign blame when there is loss of life and property. This natural tendency is exploited by politicians to gain political advantage. Why turn your back on a perfectly convenient disaster to help the partisan cause! I do not imply that only the liberals are likely to exploit such events :)

R Glass - Sorry to hear about the difficulties you are having on TX (as well as others who are homebound). It makes me feel lucky indeed to be able to continue at least most of my life. I am useless on weekends, though. My doc has prescribed Provigil. I find this helps me get up and be more active, though it then also makes it difficult to sleep at night (maybe I need to lower the dose). It works on the center of the brain that controls wakefulness, so it helps with mental fatigue, but probably won't help that gasping for breath feeling when you have to climb a few stairs. Don't know if that would work for you. In any case, hold the timer on the bomb until I get the results of the PCR. I just finished 24 weeks on TX and will continue (for another 48 weeks) if I am UND. So, my dillema is this: do I want the bomb to go off if I am NOT UND and have to stop treatment, or it if I AM UND and have to do 48 more weeks of this c&%?  :)
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131817 tn?1209529311
Hope you are feeling better. Did you get that anemia?  What an interesting story about Katrina.  You were there!  Geez,  what a mess!  So do you blame Nagin?  He was re elected wasn't he?  And then there is the awful Govenor.  Then the non response from the Feds Fema until it was to late.  What an awful mess all made!  

I tried to get help through FEMA during the earthquake in '89.  So much paper work it never happened.  Glad you were out of the way.  Must have been really fun with no power!!

Glad you are feeling better!  Nice post.

Linda
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206807 tn?1331936184
KATRINA    Can’t Blame Bush for this one
So not only are local resources first responders, and not only did Louisiana decline a Bush Administration offer to have the Federal Government manage the relief effort before the storm hit, but the Bush Administration was told by the Governor of Louisiana that the levees had not breached yet -- three hours after they did.
In the documents, Ms. Blanco and her advisers, as well as some outside allies, defended her decision to reject a request by the Bush administration to take control of the National Guard.
The response of another Blanco aide to this plea was similarly exasperated. "I am getting these calls too, and I have buses and water but can't get word on where and how to send," wrote Kim Hunter Reed, director of policy and planning.
Offers of help came in from around the world, including from former President Bill Clinton, President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela and Fidel Castro in Cuba. ("We cannot let this get out," Mr. Mann, the communications director, wrote about Mr. Castro's offer.)
On August 26, 2005, the National Hurricane Center predicted for the first time that Hurricane Katrina would become a Category 4 storm, and thus exceed the design limits of the New Orleans levees.On August 26 Mayor Nagin advised New Orleanians to keep a close eye on the storm and prepare for evacuation. He made various statements encouraging people to leave without officially calling for an evacuation throughout Saturday the 27th before issuing a call for voluntary evacuation that evening. He stressed the potential danger posed by Katrina by saying "This is not a test. This is the real deal." He was hesitant to order a mandatory evacuation because of concerns about the city's liability for closing hotels and other businesses. Nagin continued to announce that the city attorney was reviewing the information regarding this issue and once he had reviewed the city attorney's opinion he would make a decision whether to give the order to evacuate the city.On Sunday morning August 28, (2 days after advised by the National Hurricane Center) Katrina became a Category 4 hurricane,and Nagin declared a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans
Some newspaper editorial writers have criticized Mayor Nagin for not handling evacuation procedures properly and, in particular, for allowing hundreds of New Orleans' buses — which might have been used for evacuating poor or elderly people — to sit idle in parking lots that were part of the first sections of the city flooded. In the September 1 interview, he said driving school buses had been proposed, and that he wanted every Greyhound bus line moving to New Orleans. On a September 11 appearance on Meet the Press, Nagin said the buses sat unused because there was no one to drive them.(It doesn’t take a NASA Engeneer to Drive a Bus)

FEMA, Boy there is a piece of work. We still have hundreds of FEMA Trailers rotting in Baton Rouge, most have never been used. The trailers were only to be occupied for 18 months. Most of the elderly and sick have been taken care of. After almost 2.5 years, we still have FEMA Trailer Parks occupied by mostly Free Loaders.

The day before Katrina hit I received a call from a concerned friend in Memphis and offered his home to me. I explained that I am about 90 miles North of New Orleans and should be safe. I was safe but had no phones of electricity for 2 weeks. I also explained I felt sorry for the Sick and Elderly that are stuck their but, it is mostly looters waiting to ravage the city. I never will forget the Moron carrying the TV on his shoulders in chest deep water.
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131817 tn?1209529311
Bush Sr. did go to Bagdad. Saddam was in that underground bunker that no missle could pierce.  I am too brain dead to remember all the arab countries in the coalition.  Yep, although I did not like that invasion, and don't like this one. Bush Sr. did it the right way.
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325425 tn?1197680399
Wow, I can't believe I found another "I like Mike" person....  Huchabee/McCain ticket has my vote.  I am an Arizonan and have grown up with McCain.  My Christian/Catholic faith is what draws me to the candidate I would vote for.  I believe whatever passions a person has draws them to their favorite candidate.  Happy voting...
God Bless,
Rose
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excerpted from a December 2005 address to the nation. For the complete speech go to:http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051218-2.html

"I also want to speak to those of you who did not support my decision to send troops to Iraq: I have heard your disagreement, and I know how deeply it is felt. Yet now there are only two options before our country -- victory or defeat. And the need for victory is larger than any president or political party, because the security of our people is in the balance. I don't expect you to support everything I do, but tonight I have a request: Do not give in to despair, and do not give up on this fight for freedom.

Americans can expect some things of me, as well. My most solemn responsibility is to protect our nation, and that requires me to make some tough decisions. I see the consequences of those decisions when I meet wounded servicemen and women who cannot leave their hospital beds, but summon the strength to look me in the eye and say they would do it all over again. I see the consequences when I talk to parents who miss a child so much -- but tell me he loved being a soldier, he believed in his mission, and, Mr. President, finish the job.
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"did lots of research on Bush Sr. during the gulfwar.  I hated him for going in, I thought it was ridiculous. "

Didn't you say there was a coalition ? And it had Arab countries in it ? So, they agreed there was a need and a justification to take military action ? Do you know which Arab countries were in the coalition ?

Since you have already done the research I'd like to know why Bush Sr didn't go to Baghdad and take care of Saddam right then and there ? If we wanted their oil why didn't we just grab it then ?

And if leftists claims are correct then we also provided Iran with missiles during the war between Iraq and Iran.
Are you familiar with the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend "?
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131817 tn?1209529311
I agree,  I am sure they were forwarned, but who was going to stop New Orleans.  yes, Natural disasters happen. I always, although liberal, don't believe that the public should pay for people building in unsafe areas.  I am in earthquake zone. If I want ins. I should get it. Can't afford it!  Taking my chances living on bedrock.....I will most likely be slammed for this.  I also live in a forest, that could go up in fire.  I have a huge hill that had a mudslide several years ago and the mud landed in my bottom neighbor. I wasn't held responsible, because it was an act of God, so I didn't have to pay.  Sorry for the neighbor I can't even see though.  

I don't remember what you are saying about rah rahhing going to war.  The bill they signed during the W admin, was not meant to go to war, only if necessary.  I still don't like them voting for it.
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212705 tn?1221620650
For many years geo-scientists have forewarned of this happening to New Orleans...and also that it will happen again. The outer banks need to be built up...engineers are needed. Nothing is being done...

Natural disasters happen...chaos reigns...blame can be spread out very thin. The question is: why build back the city....without taking the necessary precautions to avoid the same thing happening again. Another no-brainer. Of course it will cost a real fortune....that 'could' be the main reason.

I remember clearly (she admits it) both Clintons rah, rahing for war w/Iraq. Most politicians were on the bandwagon....Republican & Democrat alike. Until as I said previously...the  politico wind shifted and so did they. No surprise...that's what politicians do....

I must say goodnight sfbaygirl...and I have enjoyed our discussion. Thank you.
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For many years geo-scientists have forewarned of this happening to New Orleans...and also that it will happen again. The outer banks need to be built up...engineers are needed. Nothing is being done...

Natural disasters happen...chaos reigns...blame is useless. The question is: why build back the city....without taking the necessary precautions so avoid the same thing happening. Another no-brainer.

I remember clearly (she admits it) both Clintons rah, rahing for war w/Iraq. Most politicians were on the bandwagon....Republican & Democrat alike. Until as I said previously...the  politico wind shifted and so did they. No surprise...that's what politicians do....
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I doubt other presidents would have gone into Iraq either. W had an agenda and had bad information.  Not sure about Hillary, but I still am leery about those that voted for war.  Although, I do think some of them didn't think W would have just gone in with out a lot of more studies and a coalition. Obama sure is bringing out the indies.  

I do blame Bush for Katrina, of course not all the blame, but he did nothing for so long!  Most Prez's go check out disasters such as this.  FEMA director has a lot of blame too as well as the govenor.  
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"doubt some of the other presidents sure wouldn't have gone into Iraq, when we were after Bin Laden. "

Hilary Clinton would have...she supported the Iraqi war...and so did most of our 'fearless leaders"...when the political wind shifted...so did she.
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Well...can't blame Bush for Katrina..that's 4sure....I believe that is what is called insurance-wise an "Act of Nature"

It's a tragedy what's happening...and I will not blame one man..for this or one admin...

Romans 3:10-18 (New American Standard Bible)

10as it is written,
         "(A)THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
    11THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
         THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
    12ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS;
         THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD,
         THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
    13"(B)THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE,
         WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,"
         "(C)THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS";
    14"(D)WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS";
    15"(E)THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,
    16DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,
    17AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN."
    18"(F)THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES."

this was 1rst written in the book of Psalms 14:1-3.
I don't mean to offend anyone...this is what I believe...The Word of God.
If I come across as 'holier than thou', believe me when I say, I am not innocent.

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131817 tn?1209529311
Yep,  can't blame Bush for everything, but he sure has made some stupid mistakes.  Katrina,  Borrowing on the publics money, name calling all the leaders he doesn't like, Going in with a coalition and to get revenge for Daddy. Besides the money crisis we are now in.....that's enough of a list.  He most likely will go down as the worst president.  I doubt some of the other presidents sure wouldn't have gone into Iraq, when we were after Bin Laden.  
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