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Weird rise in IGG results?

Received oral from a female- almost exactly 13 weeks later I developed a sore on my scrotum, near the base of penis. Took igg test, results came back as followed- HSV1: .45 and HSV2: .24. Sore disappeared with an antibiotic from the doctor, as I thought maybe I picked on something and caused it to be infected. Fast forward to 17 weeks post exposure, another sore pops up. Took another igg test for just HSV2 and it came back >5.00
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Have you had any actual genital to genital sex with anyone in this time frame?

It's possible, but really unlikely to get hsv2 from oral sex. The next time you get a sore, if there is a next time, get it cultured within 24-72 hours of it appearing, and see what that says.

An IgG value of greater than 5 is usually high enough to not be a false positive, especially since you have symptoms. Where did you get the test done - was it through your doctor or at a place like STDCheck or LetsGetChecked?

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Since September, I have only had sex with my wife. Absolutely nobody else!!

I did the STDCHECK both times. I got another test done today to check again. Because I’m having a hard time processing the jump from .24 to >5 in 4 weeks, especially since I got tested at 13 weeks post “exposure”
STDCheck has started giving those vague results like >5.0. It's problematic because even though false positives are supposed to be 3.5 and below, experts have seen them higher.

>5.0 doesn't let us know if it's 5.1 or 23.7, which makes a big difference.

And yes, your timing makes little sense, unless your wife is your source, if you're positive. It is possible for someone to have it and never know, and find out when they transmit it years later.

Let me know what your test from today says, and we can figure it out from there.
Thank you for talking to me about this, as I am in shambles right now. I can’t eat, concentrate, or do anything. Then I keep googling things and it takes me down the rabbit hole. I see things good and bad and I can’t process it.
I’ll be sure to let you the results.
So listen, worst case scenario - you have hsv2. Testing, time and odds say it is not from your outside encounter.

You were negative at 13 weeks, didn't get a sore until around then, and if someone has oral hsv2, it almost never transmits. All that together says your source wouldn't be the person you got oral from.

It's a shame that no one cultured the sore, but you can get that done if it appears again.

The timing doesn't fit at all, but since none of this fits, have you had a syphilis test?

If this is actually hsv2, your source would have to be your wife. She could have had it for a long time.

Or, this could be a false positive. If your next test comes back positive, we can talk about a Western Blot test.

Hang in there. I know it's a lot.
I never got it cultured because I got tested first before going to the urgent care to get it looked at. I did the test secretly, and when it came back negative I was confident and then told my wife I had a sore I needed to get checked.

I told the doctor/nurse that I picked at something and it got infected.  Doctor seemed to think it was impetigo, as did I at this point. Even after the scab was gone the area was still tender, like the skin was tender.

I guess I never thought about syphilis. Which is another concern lol.

And the thought of my wife having it is interesting, as she has never said anything. I mean I have seen some yellowish, moist sores almost at the base of her butt crack, between her butt cheeks. But that’s been years since she last mentioned that.
If her sores are herpes, she may not even know it's herpes. A friend of mine kept getting sores on her tailbone, and her doctor kept treating her for all sorts of different things, then they thought it was "recurring shingles", which is not so much a thing, and I finally got her to ask for a culture, and it was genital hsv1. This went on easily for 10 years.

STDCheck offers syphilis tests, I think, as does LetsGetChecked. LetsGetChecked does herpes tests, and they won't cap it at >5.

Keep me posted. :)
Interesting. I never thought about it until now. It’s been probably 10 years since I last heard she had that thing pop up on her tailbone. And when it did, it was several times within the year and that was it.

If my test come back positive, I’ll retest with letsgetchecked, so I can see a value to it.

You have no idea how much you helped calm my nerves today. I haven’t eaten yet today and I’m finally feeling a little hungry. I greatly appreciate you!!!!
IF she does have it - and it's all wild speculation, of course - she could go years without outbreaks and still transmit it.

I'm glad I'm helping, and by all means, eat something. Even if you only get some crackers or some soup, keep eating. Running your body down never helps, and with covid, the flu and cold season, your body needs all the help it can get.

Hang in there. :)

Oddly, I could totally embrace if she had it and gave it to me. I’m so riddled with guilt, I couldn’t care less. I just don’t wanna be the one to give her something for my stupidity!! That’s my biggest concern.

I’m leaving work now, so I’ll snag something to eat finally lol.
I understand totally.

Have a good night, and hope dinner is good. :)
Hey there, I just wanna chime in quick about the LetsGetChecked herpes test. I’ve gotten that and it actually says even less than the test you took. All it says is either “Normal” or “Abnormal” depending on if it detects antibodies or not. Maybe there’s been an update, but just wanted to save ya from your time and money
Encore,
Thank you for your input. I’m praying to God I don’t have to travel down that road.
Encore66 - Really? That's disappointing to hear. I've had others say they got an index value from them, but I'm not finding anything to support that now - all their own images suggests what you say - it's just detected or not detected, or normal or abnormal.

Thanks for your input!
Auntiejessi,

Got my results back. Did both test this time.
HSV1: .52
HSV2: 4.81

I’m so sick to my stomach. I don’t know what to do now. My life is crumbling right now. I was so confident when I got that .24 and now this.

So I guess I’ll ask this question- maybe that .24 was a false negative at 13 weeks. So with this count of 4.81, could this be recent or something long ago?
All this from 20 seconds of oral sex too. It doesn’t make sense!!!
Take a breath.

It's wasn't a false negative, and you didn't get this from 20 seconds of oral sex. As we've talked about, hsv2 is not a risk from oral sex, and especially not from 20 seconds of it.

I don't know how you got this, but it wasn't from the 20 second oral sex. You could, honestly, tell your wife that you did nothing that would put you at risk for this.

Has she ever had partners besides you?

I do wish the result of >5 had been more specific. It would be interesting to see the difference between the 2 tests.

The sore you got - tell me more about that. How long did it last, etc.

I thought about telling her but she’s gonna assume I recently did something that caused it. And I’ll have to explain that’s not the case. So how do I explain it when we’ve been together for years?

If it didn’t happen via oral, which is what I’m gathering from this sight and your comments, the only other explanation would be my wife, or a friend I had a quickly with almost two years ago. And never had any symptoms between that time, until now.

Description of the sore- it came out of no where the first week of December, instant scab, maybe some oozing, not sure since I put apple cider vinegar on it, and coconut oil. Lymph node on the same side of sore became swollen. About a week of having the sore, maybe less, I went to urgent care told her I believed I picked at it and we thought impetigo, so antibiotics and ointment were prescribed. She looked at it and thought the same, but it was pretty dried up and close to healed. Lasted one more week if that after meds, then went away. After healing lymph node never went away, stayed swollen this whole time. Then maybe 1 month later it came back to the same spot, slightly shifted, and the whole area was red and appeared moist for like a day. This time it was smaller. Now it’s been maybe 10 days, and the scab is very small and dry. Keeping apple cider vinegar on it.
If it was your friend from 2 years ago, it would have appeared on your first test. If it was the oral, it would have appeared then, too.

Either this is a false positive, or you got it from your wife.

It's hard to say if the sore is herpes. It's lasting long enough to be herpes, but you are putting apple cider vinegar on it, so that could be affecting it. You may always be picking it, so that's another factor.

Yes, she will assume you did something - her first question will likely be "did you cheat on me?" I don't know how to avoid that, except for you to say, "Remember that sore? It's herpes type 2, and I haven't done anything to get it."



Once again, I greatly appreciate you talking to me. You are truly a saint!! The stress of this is brutal. I don’t think I have ever experienced anything this taxing on my body. I’ve lost 15lbs this last week. But talking to you has helped me eat “some.” If I could, I would totally give you a hug lol

Right now- I’m starting with having the girl that performed oral on me get tested. I’m  gonna gather the info and attempt to piece it together even more. I’ll also wait a few weeks to get tested again. Not sure if my immune system has taken a hit with something else and it’s impacting this or not, because my gut health hasn’t been the best either recently.
Okay, you're welcome of course, and I appreciate the praise, and I'll take hugs, but even better, to return the favor, work on getting yourself together. I say that with compassion, not criticism. :)

Not taking care of yourself is not an option. You need to eat, sleep, exercise - these are important parts of stress relief and immune response, and it's also cold, flu and covid season (every season is covid season now, right?).

If you can, get a Western Blot test. It's expensive - several hundred dollars. I don't know if you can do that in secret or not, but if you can - https://westoverheights.com/getting-a-herpes-western-blot/

The Western Blot is the gold standard, and Terri is the best there is.

Getting the girl tested is a good idea, too, if she'll do it.

Hang in there, okay? I'm not around on weekends, but take the weekend away from the research and the site and just chill. Have a good one. :)
I’ll be sure to stay off the internet with this. I can see how it can be bad for sure!!!

I’ve thought about the western blot, but not sure how I could get it done low key. But I’ll look into it more though.

As for the girl, she said she would. We’re friends so it’s not an issue there. She’s been the one I’ve been very open with.

Once again, thank you for everything!! Have a great weekend.
:)  You too!
Auntiejessi,

Figured I would give some follow up.

So I tested again, still positive. The outside source tested with her doctors office and is negative too. She wasn’t given an index, just a negative. As I’m sure you know, this definitely provided a lot of relief.

I confronted my wife about it and she denied any wrong doing. Which is a possibility or she’s just a really good liar, a really good liar.

So my assumption is now- has she always had it, and just now passed it on? Not sure on the probability on that. She’s tried saying that maybe I got it in the past and I’m just now showing symptoms, but if I tested negative the first time, in December, the chances are slim to none, correct? We’ve been married for 14 years, and been very sexually active with each other. So this just raises a lot of questions.
There is a really good chance she always had it and didn't know it. I'm not sure why you confronted her - and that seems really hypocritical - instead of just discussing things.

If she had partners prior to you, she could have had it before you and not known it. There is only a 4% chance PER YEAR that an infected female with transmit it to an uninfected male if all they do is avoid sex during an outbreak.

You are newly infected - your tests do prove that. Your wife needs to get with a type specific IgG blood test, just like you did.

And go easy, huh? Don't blow up your marriage when you have no proof of anything.
I guess I could’ve used a better word than “confront.” It wasn’t aggressive or anything like that.  Just asked her if she had an affair. Because it would seem that way. She handled it quite well and we talked. She claimed she never done anything nor has she ever had the thought. She just has questions, along with me. Because I still can’t make sense of all this. Told her the timeline that it would seem that way.

By no means am I wanting to blow my marriage up. If she did have an affair and contracted, I still wouldn’t leave. We would get through it!!

This whole scenario has made me reevaluate a lot of things, including how much I truly love her.
Ohh good, that sounds much better. :)

The timeline doesn't suggest that she had an affair. The timeline ONLY suggests that you just got it from her. I was with my ex, who had herpes before we started the relationship, and I knew he had it, for 6 years before I got it. (It's easier for women to get it from men than the other way around.)

Herpes isn't as infectious as you probably think it is.
It’s just crazy to think someone could have it and never know. And to also think 14 years into marriage I finally get it.

My biggest task right now is to prove I didn’t acquire it from someone else. I think she believes that I possibly did, even though I pleaded that I never had sex with anyone else in years.

I’ve done so much research and went down so many rabbit holes it’s not even funny. But I have learned, that the stigma is by far the worst part. You hear comments/jokes growing up about herpes and think “eww thats gross, that’ll never happen to me” well here it is knocking on my door.  And quite frankly I’m terrified to ever tell anyone that I have it because the stigma that comes with it.

I know I’ve told you this before, and I’ll tell you again, you’re a Saint!! I appreciate having you to talk to. As this is very challenging and it’s nice to have someone with the knowledge to talk to.

I hope they develop a cure for it. It’s depressing knowing all the medications and stuff out there and nothing to cure this, or so they claim.
Listen, I've had hsv2 for a loong time. The stigma is stupid. In no way does it match my experience living with it, or the reality of herpes. A LOT of people have herpes - either oral or genital.  If you've been married for 14 years, I'm guessing you're at least in your 30s, and that you went all this time with no herpes makes you an anomaly, really.

Why would you have to tell anyone? You're married. The only one that needs to know is your wife, and you've already told her. Essentially, there is very little that will change in your life in your wife is positive. (If she isn't, I'd suggest taking a western blot test to confirm your results.)

Herpes is a virus. It's nothing more, nothing less. It's not a moral statement, a statement of worth, or character. It doesn't care if you lie, cheat, steal, or help little old ladies cross the street after church on Sundays.

They are working on a cure, and we are closer than we've ever been before, but it's still a ways off. I do want to gently challenge you on this: "and nothing to cure this, or so they claim". Herpes lives in nerve cells, which makes it very hard for treatments to reach.

If someone had a cure for herpes - or anything - it would make sense that they would release it to the public for use, if it was safe. To develop any kind of medication takes time and a LOT of money. It's estimated that the costs range from $314 million to $2.8 billion. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32125404/)

Why would anyone put that kind of money into something, and then just hide it? Even if someone worked for a company, and that company said they were going to sit on it, that person would say, "Oh hell no, I'm releasing it to the public so I can be all Nobel Prize-y and freaking famous, thank you so much."

Many people don't know they have herpes -

https://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfact-herpes.htm

"Most people with genital herpes have no symptoms or have very mild symptoms. Mild symptoms may go unnoticed or be mistaken for other skin conditions like a pimple or ingrown hair. Because of this, most people do not know they have a herpes infection."

I might quibble with the "most", but it's certainly a lot.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327144

"In some cases, a person with herpes may not experience any symptoms of the virus for many years."

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/genital-herpes/

"Go even if you have not had sex for a long time, as blisters can take months or years to appear."

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/herpes-hsv1-and-hsv2/genital-herpes

"Most people with HSV II do not know they have it, because it does not always cause symptoms."

You get the idea. Your wife could have had it the entirety of your marriage and not known it. You could have gone your entire marriage and never gotten it, too. Neither would surprise me.

So ignore the stigma. It's bothering you now because you have it. Start paying attention to other things with stigma - being overweight (fat jokes are everywhere), having a criminal record, being poor, mental illness, physical and intellectual disabilities, for just a few examples.

We aren't a kind society, but no one has to know about you having herpes.

Really, just hang in there. :)



I really do appreciate helping thru this process.. it’s been very helpful. I definitely learned a lot.

Btw: is there a way to delete this whole thread/ posting?
You'd have to contact the moderators, but they typically don't, as far as I understand it. They can change your username if you're concerned about being identified.

To contact the mods, on a phone, tap on the 3 bars in the upper right, then choose About Us. Scroll all the way down, and choose Contact Us. On a computer, choose About at the top of every page, then scroll all the way down.

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