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Is this ocd
Hi I have been having bad thoughts and I don't like them they make me sad and they take a lot of time out of my day I have quit school because of them I think I had a panic attack at school so after that day I quit school since the thoughts have started I have quit look forward to things I think its because I'm scared I'm going to mess something up I was going to get a job but I didn't because the thoughts I can't play my video games no more or watched a lot of TV because I think I may go crazy I have not played my video games or watched the TV in a long time like 4 to 5 weeks I don't like talking about bad stuff like fighting because I'm think I may go crazy and like I have lose a lot of insurance in my love life because I like it some times when she takes control and i think if she takes control I'm not normal and that I may go crazy
The thoughts
Are violent and they scare me like if I'm talk to some one I think well i can do that and I hate having this thoughts and by the way my thoughts come to me in words so I don't know if that normal
and the days that are fine I think I'm ok thinking the thoughts but I'm know I'M not
I just don't know whats going on with me like i think the thought about almost any person I see and it scares me I know I will not act on these thoughts but I'm scared that I will go crazy and lose my mind I just want things to go back to normal it really scares me when I have they about the people I love like my little cousin or mom and dad or my sweetheart girlfriend but if I get mad like I know every body gets mad but i fear that I may lose my mind and it scares me so i try to stay away for people so times
What I have tryed
I have talked to mom and dad and my whole family for the most part and they said they will take me to talk to someone but they still have not I don't think they belivle me and I really just what to talk to someone who has been to school to learn in this kaind of stuff I have talked to my girlfriend about this she thinks and i think it my be ocd but i think it may pure o because i have no compulsions and some days i think i'm just be crazy and i have no ocd but can ocd make you think you have no ocd and i have looked all over the net to see what it is Or is it anxiety
The thoughts
Are violent and they scare me like if I'm talk to some one I think well i can do that and I hate having this thoughts and by the way my thoughts come to me in words so I don't know if that normal
and the days that are fine I think I'm ok thinking the thoughts but I'm know I'M not
I just don't know whats going on with me like i think the thought about almost any person I see and it scares me I know I will not act on these thoughts but I'm scared that I will go crazy and lose my mind I just want things to go back to normal it really scares me when I have they about the people I love like my little cousin or mom and dad or my sweetheart girlfriend but if I get mad like I know every body gets mad but i fear that I may lose my mind and it scares me so i try to stay away for people so times
What I have tryed
I have talked to mom and dad and my whole family for the most part and they said they will take me to talk to someone but they still have not I don't think they belivle me and I really just what to talk to someone who has been to school to learn in this kaind of stuff I have talked to my girlfriend about this she thinks and i think it my be ocd but i think it may pure o because i have no compulsions and some days i think i'm just be crazy and i have no ocd but can ocd make you think you have no ocd and i have looked all over the net to see what it is Or is it anxiety
<------ [continued from above post] - this is the post I left for the mother regarding her daughter:
Maybe something to consider (actually two things) regarding your daughter: PANDAs and allergies. If your child has been exposed to STREP recently, there may be a chance that your child's own strep-antibodies are attacking the ganglia in the brain, which results in these actions (it also can result in OCD and really, really bad thoughts.) The antibodies somehow mistake the ganglia for the strep infection. If you think your child has strep or has been exposed.... get a Titer count test. This is how the Drs. tell if your child has strep and it shows the level of strep-antibodies in your child's system. Your child may show absolutely zero signs of STREP or illness but still have it. Also, peanut butter, dairy, wheat, asthma medications may set off behavior issues or OCD or exacerbate the effect of the strep reaction. Good luck finding a Dr. who believes in PANDAs, most don't. But any Dr. worth their salt will have at least heard/read about it. Ours said he didn't think it was a valid diagnosis but could not explain away the documented correlation and had no comment on the accepted diagnosis' of CHOREA (St. Vitus’ Dance.) Or strep related heart problems (strep antibodies attacking the heart by mistake causing damage) that can arise after contracting a strep infection. As far as the peanut butter thing goes... I have no actual proof, only what I consider amazing results after we stopped eating it in our house. Allergies to peanuts do not have to be lethal. They can be mild and any physical side effects can go unnoticed, but who knows what turmoil it is wreaking within the body. One indication of an allergic reaction is called the "allergic shiner". They are light to heavy dark rings around the eyes. Many times it's attributed to lack of sleep, but it is actually the result of an allergic reaction. Also your child might get any itchy throat or itchy roof of the mouth after eating peanut butter or other foods.... but it may be very mild so they might not tell you. I have read on-line about reactions to some asthma medications that are unofficially linked to morbid (bad thought) OCD. Night terrors, bad dreams, sleep walking, bed wetting, and/or obsession with frequently going to the bathroom is also associated with PANDAs. I am not a doctor and can only relay to you what I have read. I read that PANDAs is usually noticed in children about the age of 7 but that it can occur earlier. Children don't (or can't) always articulate what is going on with themselves so earlier occurrences of this tragic condition may not be brought to the parents' attention until around that age. What I've read did say though that it is associated with children who have not yet hit puberty but does not mean it can't occur later in life (teens.) There is a book out, written by a mother who's son was almost institutionalized due to OCD. His OCD was more of the "traditional" type... not the intrusive thought type per se. He developed it out of the blue around the age of 11 and after a year (or two, I don't remember) he became so obsessed with performing certain rituals and paterns that he was essentially non-functinal. His mother had been video taping his actions to show doctors in an attempt to get help. She was at her wits end and ready to have him put in an institution when someone asked if he'd been tested for STREP. He hadn't but sure enough came back positive and was put on antibiotics. The antibiotics worked almost miracuously and he returned to normal (though at 18 says that if he feels any urges coming on he goes back on the anti-biotics and is "cured"/feels normal. I think the name of the book is "Saving Sammy, Curing the Boy Who Caught OCD." I also read an article in the Chicago Tribune last week about a Loyola University student who out of the blue had an auto-immune disease that left her unable to walk and see properly. One of the Doctors' theories was that it may have been triggered by a virus which caused her antibodies (to the virus) to attack the brain. She is still recovering after extensive treatments but making good improvement. I know this is a ridiculously long post and it may not have anything to do with your daughter's condition but I just wanted to let you (and anyone else who might be going through similar child issues) know that some child mental health issues may actually be caused by the body's reaction to some stimulus or virus. Anyone reading this in hope of finding information (or just plain "I'm in the same boat as you" support) should consider allergic reactions or auto-immune response to blood issues/antibodies before placing a child on medication. I hope this information is of help to you or another reader and that your child's "episodes" are few and far between. I know this can be a nightmare. You feel helpless and afraid... you want to do the right thing but don't want Drs. to label your child as "menatlly ill." I wonder how many children suffer from behavior problems (mild or severe) or Morbid (bad-thought) OCD due to food/drug allergies or STREP. More than we know I'm sure, because I believe most parents keep it to themselves (to keep their child from being labeled) and they hope it will go away on it's own. There seems to be little research on this issue and even less discussion within the medical/pyschiatric communities. I have a family member who recently (about 2 years ago) obtained a masters in child psychology and hadn't even heard of PANDAs and had no idea what might have been going on with my child - ruled out food allergies too... immediately suggested psych meds (we refused!) Except for one reoccurrence last March, my child has been symptom free for two years now. The change? It all went away (over-night) when we completely removed peanut butter from our child's diet (that included foods that were processed in plants that handle peanuts and Chinese food as many places use peanut oil in their woks.) The one re-occurrence last March you might ask? We had our child tested for STREP which was positive, went on antibiotics and was back to normal...no more bad thoughts, no more intrusive thoughts. Coinicdence? Maybe, but the timing and positive results we've had seem to indicate there might be something to this.
One more thing, which is very important to remember. The quick/same day result STREP test that they do at the doctor's office came back negative (on two different occasions) for our child. We insisted -and got some static from the doctor I might add- that they send it to a lab for the more extensive TITER test and guess what, it came back positive! As I said before, I am not a doctor and I can only relate in this post what I recall and what I recall reading. Hope it helps and God Bless.
Maybe something to consider (actually two things) regarding your daughter: PANDAs and allergies. If your child has been exposed to STREP recently, there may be a chance that your child's own strep-antibodies are attacking the ganglia in the brain, which results in these actions (it also can result in OCD and really, really bad thoughts.) The antibodies somehow mistake the ganglia for the strep infection. If you think your child has strep or has been exposed.... get a Titer count test. This is how the Drs. tell if your child has strep and it shows the level of strep-antibodies in your child's system. Your child may show absolutely zero signs of STREP or illness but still have it. Also, peanut butter, dairy, wheat, asthma medications may set off behavior issues or OCD or exacerbate the effect of the strep reaction. Good luck finding a Dr. who believes in PANDAs, most don't. But any Dr. worth their salt will have at least heard/read about it. Ours said he didn't think it was a valid diagnosis but could not explain away the documented correlation and had no comment on the accepted diagnosis' of CHOREA (St. Vitus’ Dance.) Or strep related heart problems (strep antibodies attacking the heart by mistake causing damage) that can arise after contracting a strep infection. As far as the peanut butter thing goes... I have no actual proof, only what I consider amazing results after we stopped eating it in our house. Allergies to peanuts do not have to be lethal. They can be mild and any physical side effects can go unnoticed, but who knows what turmoil it is wreaking within the body. One indication of an allergic reaction is called the "allergic shiner". They are light to heavy dark rings around the eyes. Many times it's attributed to lack of sleep, but it is actually the result of an allergic reaction. Also your child might get any itchy throat or itchy roof of the mouth after eating peanut butter or other foods.... but it may be very mild so they might not tell you. I have read on-line about reactions to some asthma medications that are unofficially linked to morbid (bad thought) OCD. Night terrors, bad dreams, sleep walking, bed wetting, and/or obsession with frequently going to the bathroom is also associated with PANDAs. I am not a doctor and can only relay to you what I have read. I read that PANDAs is usually noticed in children about the age of 7 but that it can occur earlier. Children don't (or can't) always articulate what is going on with themselves so earlier occurrences of this tragic condition may not be brought to the parents' attention until around that age. What I've read did say though that it is associated with children who have not yet hit puberty but does not mean it can't occur later in life (teens.) There is a book out, written by a mother who's son was almost institutionalized due to OCD. His OCD was more of the "traditional" type... not the intrusive thought type per se. He developed it out of the blue around the age of 11 and after a year (or two, I don't remember) he became so obsessed with performing certain rituals and paterns that he was essentially non-functinal. His mother had been video taping his actions to show doctors in an attempt to get help. She was at her wits end and ready to have him put in an institution when someone asked if he'd been tested for STREP. He hadn't but sure enough came back positive and was put on antibiotics. The antibiotics worked almost miracuously and he returned to normal (though at 18 says that if he feels any urges coming on he goes back on the anti-biotics and is "cured"/feels normal. I think the name of the book is "Saving Sammy, Curing the Boy Who Caught OCD." I also read an article in the Chicago Tribune last week about a Loyola University student who out of the blue had an auto-immune disease that left her unable to walk and see properly. One of the Doctors' theories was that it may have been triggered by a virus which caused her antibodies (to the virus) to attack the brain. She is still recovering after extensive treatments but making good improvement. I know this is a ridiculously long post and it may not have anything to do with your daughter's condition but I just wanted to let you (and anyone else who might be going through similar child issues) know that some child mental health issues may actually be caused by the body's reaction to some stimulus or virus. Anyone reading this in hope of finding information (or just plain "I'm in the same boat as you" support) should consider allergic reactions or auto-immune response to blood issues/antibodies before placing a child on medication. I hope this information is of help to you or another reader and that your child's "episodes" are few and far between. I know this can be a nightmare. You feel helpless and afraid... you want to do the right thing but don't want Drs. to label your child as "menatlly ill." I wonder how many children suffer from behavior problems (mild or severe) or Morbid (bad-thought) OCD due to food/drug allergies or STREP. More than we know I'm sure, because I believe most parents keep it to themselves (to keep their child from being labeled) and they hope it will go away on it's own. There seems to be little research on this issue and even less discussion within the medical/pyschiatric communities. I have a family member who recently (about 2 years ago) obtained a masters in child psychology and hadn't even heard of PANDAs and had no idea what might have been going on with my child - ruled out food allergies too... immediately suggested psych meds (we refused!) Except for one reoccurrence last March, my child has been symptom free for two years now. The change? It all went away (over-night) when we completely removed peanut butter from our child's diet (that included foods that were processed in plants that handle peanuts and Chinese food as many places use peanut oil in their woks.) The one re-occurrence last March you might ask? We had our child tested for STREP which was positive, went on antibiotics and was back to normal...no more bad thoughts, no more intrusive thoughts. Coinicdence? Maybe, but the timing and positive results we've had seem to indicate there might be something to this.
One more thing, which is very important to remember. The quick/same day result STREP test that they do at the doctor's office came back negative (on two different occasions) for our child. We insisted -and got some static from the doctor I might add- that they send it to a lab for the more extensive TITER test and guess what, it came back positive! As I said before, I am not a doctor and I can only relate in this post what I recall and what I recall reading. Hope it helps and God Bless.
Sorry this is such a long post... I cut it and pasted it here (I originally posted it for another user regarding a question she had about her daughter) Maybe it applies to you as well, maybe not, but something to think about. I have since cut and pasted this post to a few other users who might benefit from this info but your situation sounds a lot closer to the one I've gone through. Although our child did not act on these thoughts, they tormented our child daily for weeks at a time and then seemed to disappear as suddenly as they started. The poor kid would tell my wife and I that they hated their brain because it was having "bad thoughts." It was never " 'I' just had a bad thought," it was always " 'My brain' just had a bad thought," or " 'My brain' keeps telling me....." Our child didn't hear voices or anything (we asked)... just that "my mind" is saying to do things. They were thoughts that would just come out of the blue but continuously throughout the day over several weeks and then just stop. All would be well, you'd hold your breath and pray it wouldn't start up again but a few months later it'd come back. It is very scary and it breaks your heart. I always thought OCD was just obsession with washing hands, repeating paterns etc, and never knew it could also be involuntary thoughts. You should google "Morbid OCD", "Intrusive thought OCD", "Bad thought OCD" and "PANDAs." [Google "PANDAS with the word "STREP" otherwise you get mostly articles about fuzzy bears from China :) ] You don't mention if these thoughts just started recently or if you've had them all your life and they are just getting worse. Also how old are you/how old were you when you started getting them? Here is the post I have left for other users who have asked about some behavior issues----->
Are you afraid that you might hurt someone or just go crazy? I know people with OCD do live with the fear they may hurt someone they love and not mean to, then later regret it. A lot of OCD is based on trying to control your environment by habits, fears, concerns, ruminating, etc. So in this case I would imagine you may have OCD or just anxiety disorder. The fear of losing your mind is interesting...I would suggest talking to a doctor about this as there may be a technique or a script that can help you.
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