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PATM has been proven scientifically by MeBO clinical research
If you any of you want to troll your doctor, this is the time to do so. Looks like they are the ones that need mental hospitalization and not us. And for the so-called discoverers of Olfactory reference syndrome (ORS), it would seem they've shown what pseudoscience really mean. They've put so much effort in describing in intricate details a fake nonexistent disease called ORS, based on nothing but merely subjective and personal beliefs. It's amazing how some people can be so brainwashed. Hold your heads high PATMers. We've won the first stage of the battle.
I've been to the ORS Wikipedia page. Psychologists have gone to intricate details in coming up with terminologies to describe their fairytale disease. They have methodically categorized PATMERS and TMAU patients according to their beliefs of how their mythical disease should span out...lol. They've even put psychotherapy yields the highest rate of response to treatment and put percentages and statistics on the success rates...hahaha. Has anyone got treated by these fairy treatments? Amazing?
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Have you watched the initial report of MeBO clinical research on body odor and halitosis? You should. I didn’t know PATM volunteers actually took part until someone posted it here on medhelp. The result came as a surprise. It confirmed many of the things the forum has found over years of trial and error. It also corroborates 100% that it is real and not in PATMer’s heads.
But also it came with unexpected results. Who would have thought that we have the same symptoms as TMAU2 patients? But that’s what the initial report showed.
Many of us understand that amino-acid products [Rice protein & desiccated liver] lowered PATM but we had no explanation to why it happens. The MEBO result showed that both TMAU and PATM volunteers have low amino acid levels while halitosis and control group didn’t. Some had 3 times as low as the control[normal]. Amino acids are needed in gut repair and detoxification in the gut and liver. If PATMers were crazy, why is our observation consistent with their[MeBO] scientific results? Why is there a scientific significance(>95%) between our claim and the clinical result? Did the our observation, MeBO data and the statistical program decided to work together in our favor?..lol.
Their conclusion came straight out of scientific experiments and not subjective thinking like the ORS psychologists. Some of the tests done on the samples were Gut Permeability Profile. PEG 400, Gut Fermentation Profile, D-lactate test, Functional B vitamins profile, Breath test for small intestinal dysbiosis. The results cannot lie. As the scientist presenting the report said it herself, the result clearly states that the reported problems are REAL and that we aren’t imagining it. Ding!Ding!Ding! It’s game over for ORS psychologist and non-patmers propagandists in this forum.
In additional significance, some here have gotten medical reports of having very low IgA. It makes perfectly sense now because gut permeability already stumps our immunity. IgA found mainly on gut lining, respiratory track and urogenital tract prevents pathogen colonization. So whatever is beating the hell out of our IgA is also wearing out the gut lining causing leaky gut. The reports fits perfectly with PATMers findings.
If Olfactory Reference Syndrome was true, then why the hell does everything they predict is false? And worse, they have no experiments to base it on other than subjective thinking. Hypothesizing without experimenting is not science. These ORS psychologists & non-patmers need to see other psychologist ...lol.
But also it came with unexpected results. Who would have thought that we have the same symptoms as TMAU2 patients? But that’s what the initial report showed.
Many of us understand that amino-acid products [Rice protein & desiccated liver] lowered PATM but we had no explanation to why it happens. The MEBO result showed that both TMAU and PATM volunteers have low amino acid levels while halitosis and control group didn’t. Some had 3 times as low as the control[normal]. Amino acids are needed in gut repair and detoxification in the gut and liver. If PATMers were crazy, why is our observation consistent with their[MeBO] scientific results? Why is there a scientific significance(>95%) between our claim and the clinical result? Did the our observation, MeBO data and the statistical program decided to work together in our favor?..lol.
Their conclusion came straight out of scientific experiments and not subjective thinking like the ORS psychologists. Some of the tests done on the samples were Gut Permeability Profile. PEG 400, Gut Fermentation Profile, D-lactate test, Functional B vitamins profile, Breath test for small intestinal dysbiosis. The results cannot lie. As the scientist presenting the report said it herself, the result clearly states that the reported problems are REAL and that we aren’t imagining it. Ding!Ding!Ding! It’s game over for ORS psychologist and non-patmers propagandists in this forum.
In additional significance, some here have gotten medical reports of having very low IgA. It makes perfectly sense now because gut permeability already stumps our immunity. IgA found mainly on gut lining, respiratory track and urogenital tract prevents pathogen colonization. So whatever is beating the hell out of our IgA is also wearing out the gut lining causing leaky gut. The reports fits perfectly with PATMers findings.
If Olfactory Reference Syndrome was true, then why the hell does everything they predict is false? And worse, they have no experiments to base it on other than subjective thinking. Hypothesizing without experimenting is not science. These ORS psychologists & non-patmers need to see other psychologist ...lol.
Here is the definition of TMAU2 from the Mebo research website. I'm not surprised with why the results from the clinical research of PATM was similar. Perhaps the difference could be the microbial strains or level of permeability in the gut or location on the gut. That's a mystery for the researchers to deal with.
" Secondary Trimethylaminura (TMAU2) is an acquired form of TMAU usually involving an overproduction of TMA by gut flora in a patient with normal FMO3 function (i.e. does not have an FMO3 deficiency). Experts believe that TMAU2 from overproduction of TMA by bacterial overgrowth in the gut can be experienced for many years, but if the correct antibiotic therapy is applied, it can be cured by eradication of the bacteria responsible, though the bacterial overgrowth tends to return. Secondary TMAU, or TMAU2, has been recognized for many years, particularly in the UK, although much of the TMAU interest has been in the inherited metabolic disorder FMO3 deficiency, TMAU1."
" Secondary Trimethylaminura (TMAU2) is an acquired form of TMAU usually involving an overproduction of TMA by gut flora in a patient with normal FMO3 function (i.e. does not have an FMO3 deficiency). Experts believe that TMAU2 from overproduction of TMA by bacterial overgrowth in the gut can be experienced for many years, but if the correct antibiotic therapy is applied, it can be cured by eradication of the bacteria responsible, though the bacterial overgrowth tends to return. Secondary TMAU, or TMAU2, has been recognized for many years, particularly in the UK, although much of the TMAU interest has been in the inherited metabolic disorder FMO3 deficiency, TMAU1."
We don't really put off an odor like TMAU though, it's invisible smell if i would describe it but more like bacteria clouds. Doctors didn't believe TMAU existed either. I have hyperhidrosis, anxiety and I believe a few others have that as well, along with "leaky gut" i think this plays into it. Why we fog up car windows, why it's stuffy in here, etc. Up until recently it wasn't a problem for me almost 2 years now since it has been. I feel like it's gotten better but still is there, not sure if it's because of the changes I've made to avoid large enclosed open spaces or the home remedies we have been given. What's weird is it's not everybody it can be like 1 in 5 or 3 in 5, but there are people who don't sneeze or grunt, or one's that sneeze and others that clear throats. Recently it's been sneezes for me lot less throat clears, but like when you can pick out the people who are most affected it's so obvious to observe. I started joking with them "I've seen doctors they don't believe me" but they ignore the comments, LOL. I've had several people leave the movie i'm watching at the theaters because it bothered them too much.
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Anxiety has nothing to do with patm. Many non-patmers brought up the issue in the past as way to discredit PATMers with the false conviction they’ve got it right. But now MeBO clinical research has crushed their fantasy fairytale flat on the ground. Everything else that you’ve experienced is similar to other PATMer’s experience.
I disagree, I think anxiety does play a part, when I hear reactions, it makes me more nervous and therefore causes more sweating, and therefore causes more reactions, others have stated the same. The more concerned you are with the reactions the more they seem to occur. The people that have "beat it" have just stopped caring, but that's a problem with many of us, we just care too much.
@patmhalp
So in your thinking it would mean stressful diseases is really caused by the stress rather than the disease itself? So if inmates are beaten as a result they’ll be injured and stressful. You’re suggesting that their stresses are the causes of the injuries? That’s the other way round…lol.
Honestly I don’t have the anxiety that you have, never had so we clearly have two different conditions. I never sweat in front of people like you. In actual fact I ask people how they feel and explain what I have. Many people have admitted to me the sickness they feel after several minutes to hours. I actually ask them to get to comfortable place when they can’t stand me anymore. They do regardless whether I tell them or not. PATM is alright but it’s the fact of not being able to complete anything because people abandoned you as they can’t put up with their own flulike sickness. Have you experience that? I don’t think so? Why? Those are the symptoms of PATM. People can’t stand patmers, they leave and find more comfortable places where they can breathe and don’t feel sick.
You are literally saying to PATMers here to, don’t worry if people abundant you because you can still accomplish tasks by yourself. How’s that possible? Do you have PATM? You should know if you have PATM. These are the daily experience. To say to members not to worry, how do you think anyone can complete a task by themselves? There’s no such thing in this world as being an island. You’re actually limping if you try to work alone… you’ll never complete any task. If people just coughed and sneezed but did nothing else I think many patmers wouldn’t be here, they’d continue with their lives. It’s the actually forced isolation that forces PATMers to look for a solution. Again, I’m surprised that you claim to be a patmer without experiencing what patmer goes through every day. Not caring for a disease is the silliest solution in the medical world. That’s comparable to a white man who claims to be black and understand their pain but appears in real life looking like Justin Bieber. It makes no sense.
So in your thinking it would mean stressful diseases is really caused by the stress rather than the disease itself? So if inmates are beaten as a result they’ll be injured and stressful. You’re suggesting that their stresses are the causes of the injuries? That’s the other way round…lol.
Honestly I don’t have the anxiety that you have, never had so we clearly have two different conditions. I never sweat in front of people like you. In actual fact I ask people how they feel and explain what I have. Many people have admitted to me the sickness they feel after several minutes to hours. I actually ask them to get to comfortable place when they can’t stand me anymore. They do regardless whether I tell them or not. PATM is alright but it’s the fact of not being able to complete anything because people abandoned you as they can’t put up with their own flulike sickness. Have you experience that? I don’t think so? Why? Those are the symptoms of PATM. People can’t stand patmers, they leave and find more comfortable places where they can breathe and don’t feel sick.
You are literally saying to PATMers here to, don’t worry if people abundant you because you can still accomplish tasks by yourself. How’s that possible? Do you have PATM? You should know if you have PATM. These are the daily experience. To say to members not to worry, how do you think anyone can complete a task by themselves? There’s no such thing in this world as being an island. You’re actually limping if you try to work alone… you’ll never complete any task. If people just coughed and sneezed but did nothing else I think many patmers wouldn’t be here, they’d continue with their lives. It’s the actually forced isolation that forces PATMers to look for a solution. Again, I’m surprised that you claim to be a patmer without experiencing what patmer goes through every day. Not caring for a disease is the silliest solution in the medical world. That’s comparable to a white man who claims to be black and understand their pain but appears in real life looking like Justin Bieber. It makes no sense.
@patmhalp
No one has beaten PATM. If you say you’re one, then you have to explain why would a cured patm stick around.
Since the MeBO clinical testing has shown similarity between TMAU2 and PATM, would you say the same thing to TMAU patients? Would you say the stress is the cause of their problem and that they should never worry about it? What kind of advice is that? That’s the advice that would come from a person that doesn’t have PATM or TMAU. To judge people that you have no idea what they really have and feel is cruelty.
No one has beaten PATM. If you say you’re one, then you have to explain why would a cured patm stick around.
Since the MeBO clinical testing has shown similarity between TMAU2 and PATM, would you say the same thing to TMAU patients? Would you say the stress is the cause of their problem and that they should never worry about it? What kind of advice is that? That’s the advice that would come from a person that doesn’t have PATM or TMAU. To judge people that you have no idea what they really have and feel is cruelty.
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