Genital-hand-genital contact, Masterbation

[Europ]

Dear all,

I must appreciate the work your are doing for others. I am toooooo much worried about the incident, have taken leave from the company coz of anxiety.

The incident happened 2 months ago in Germany and the Girl was from Turkey and working as CSW in dance bar. I recall the incident every day and too much worried so decided to have your words. Here is what happened:

I met a CSW Girl, we sat at the corner of Street. She touched lips of her vegina and clitoris and rubbed both lips with each other (hand vegina contact lasted max. of 10 seconds). After this, her hand (same hand with which she touched Vegina lips) touched her Clothes and other body parts.  There was no visible fluid on her vegina. After this, I touched lips of her vegina with my finger for (max. of 10 seconds), no visible secretion in vegina (moist only). I  wiped out my finger against her Thigh (though there was no visible fluid on the finger but I felt moist). After this, she put her hand inside the my underwear and touched Penis (Duration max. 8 seconds). While putting hand inside my underwear, her and my finger must have touched the underwear (Cloth) before touching Penis. But, there might have been fleeting contact between finger and penis tip (filled with pre cum). After about 10 minutes of this, I  masterbated with my own hand (the same hand which touched vegina lips. What I am sure about is neither she nor I inserted any finger well inside her vegina (her finger touched clitoris and lips and my finger touched vegina lips AND the max. contact between vegina and fingers was not more than 10 seconds)

My doubt is it might be that my finger or her finger might have touched the Penis tip momentarily.

Since last 2 months, I recall this incident every now and then and can not focus on my work. I am Married Person, so I am really really worried.

Doctor, please tell if there is any risk for any std including hiv.

Please let me also know the process of donation from Germany.

Many Thanks

M

[Europ]

Yeh I know nobody ever get infected by this way......I had many talks with many Docotrs here in Germany and they all told me that its impossible to get any STD like this.....by touching vegina and then penis........but I just sometimes tend to think in this direction automatically......specially when I feel something new happening in my body.....Since yesterday, I have small swollen lymph node in Neck.....Winter has just started here in Germany, could it be because of Cold or could be any std/hiv.......I must admit one thing, I am very sensitive to cold and I used to get Tonsile frequently in Winter......But now I thinking this time, its because of std.......could you plz share your knowledge with me.........

[gracefromHHP]

really nothing else I can add. You were never at risk for a std.

[Europ]

Thanks , I also kno myself this is not a risk but I dont kno why sometimes I automatically start to think too deeply and try to join many scenarios together......by now, I have visited almost all materials in Internet in this topic and still I occasional worry going on.

What I think is like, when I touched Vegina walls (not wet, no flowing fluid but was moist), then let us say that one drop of viginal fluid came in my finger then she touched her vegina and let us say one drop in her finger, now I wiped my finger against her Thigh and she picked up some clothes with her finger, so half of a drop might have wiped out from the fingers. Now as my touched Penis and she also touched Penis for few seconds (lets say max. 10 Seconds) , so this half drop of fluid might have touched penis tip ( of course there was no visible fluid on any fingers and there was some time gap between fingers touching vegina and fingers touching penis, so Air might have wiped out rest of the fluid), but what if not? and I think even less than half of veginal fluid might be enough for hiv risk (nobody know how many germs are there in half drop of veginal fluid as they r microscopic).

I know you might tell it imaginary but these r the things going in my mind everytime........I would be really thankful to you if you can recall some similar cases you might have heard and share here.

I got the same response as your from hiv community also: no risk, zero risk

PS: As I did masterbation with my own hand (same hand with which I touched vegina), did that increase any risk? I would have not worried if I wud have not masterbated, but just after after masterbation I stated to worry, I sometimes think it might be because of guilty feeling

Thank you very much once again

Europ

[Europ]

Thanks a lot again,

what you mean by "though odds are it's a run of the mill virus that needs to run its course"?

I am confused,

Its difficult to believe when anybody say no risk but when small drop of veginal fluid might have touched penis tip, there might be some std including hiv risk, I guess

plz tell me if I should go for std testing........really really worried

thanks

[gracefromHHP]

what is going on now with your throat, isn't likely related to the encounter 2 months ago.  see your provider for a proper exam though odds are it's a run of the mill virus that needs to run its course.

this was not a risk for a std as was already said.

[Europ]

Thank you very much for your information. This was really helpful. If you do not mind, I would like to put one more question, this is necessary as I am still worried (since I looked for symptoms in Internet and I feel like some pain sometimes in my Throat and neck veins (they might be lymph nodes??) and itchy skin)). I am very worried that I cant really focus on any thing but think about the incident all the time.

So my final ques is: In worst case scenario, little amount of veginal fluid might have touched the Penis and tiny from this amount might have touched Penis tip, then as I masterbated, the fluid might have massaged against penis tip. What was the risk here, for any std and hiv?

Thank you very much for your kind support.

Europ

[gracefromHHP]

this was not a risk for std's. there's no reason for any testing.

don't confuse the guilt of an encounter with risk!

grace