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Many believe in their religious doctrines that man is not an animal and that he was not only created in the image of god but is a spiritual being. This means that they believe mankind is not an animal and does not belong in the animal category.
One researcher in an online think tank accused another member that their belief that man was just like any other animal, maybe a little smarter was mere opinion. The member who stated man was animal like was citing a research paper which showed a 99% similarity in DNA from Chimpanzees to man. The religious researcher told him he was wrong and that even so she respected his opinion and belief.
The think tank member comparing man to animal stated; “Spare me the academic BS with a religious flair. This is not a belief or opinion of mine. All the evidence shows what I am saying to be true. None proves otherwise. This is not philosophy. This is not religion. This is nothing of the sort.
The religious follower and researcher stated; “I could easily paste 18 pages of genetic research data which would debunk the 99% claims of from publications.”
Sure and they would be by groups funded by Religious organizations done by scientists with a religions slant. 18-pages is weak compared to the overall evidence. I have seen 400 pages of aerodynamic proof that helicopters do not fly and recently 100 pages of top research proving a Bee cannot fly with the amount of energy it puts out.
It does not matter if the DNA differences are 99, 98, 97 it is the same argument. We cannot call humans anything but animals if we indeed place Chimpanzees in the same category as animals. It is amazing the lengths at which religious doctrine gets involved in real scientific research isn’t it? Consider all this in 2006.
"Lance Winslow" - Online Think Tank forum board. If you have innovative thoughts and unique perspectives, come think with Lance; http://www.WorldThinkTank.net/. Lance is an online writer in retirement.
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One researcher in an online think tank accused another member that their belief that man was just like any other animal, maybe a little smarter was mere opinion. The member who stated man was animal like was citing a research paper which showed a 99% similarity in DNA from Chimpanzees to man. The religious researcher told him he was wrong and that even so she respected his opinion and belief.
The think tank member comparing man to animal stated; “Spare me the academic BS with a religious flair. This is not a belief or opinion of mine. All the evidence shows what I am saying to be true. None proves otherwise. This is not philosophy. This is not religion. This is nothing of the sort.
The religious follower and researcher stated; “I could easily paste 18 pages of genetic research data which would debunk the 99% claims of from publications.”
Sure and they would be by groups funded by Religious organizations done by scientists with a religions slant. 18-pages is weak compared to the overall evidence. I have seen 400 pages of aerodynamic proof that helicopters do not fly and recently 100 pages of top research proving a Bee cannot fly with the amount of energy it puts out.
It does not matter if the DNA differences are 99, 98, 97 it is the same argument. We cannot call humans anything but animals if we indeed place Chimpanzees in the same category as animals. It is amazing the lengths at which religious doctrine gets involved in real scientific research isn’t it? Consider all this in 2006.
"Lance Winslow" - Online Think Tank forum board. If you have innovative thoughts and unique perspectives, come think with Lance; http://www.WorldThinkTank.net/. Lance is an online writer in retirement.
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Lance_Winslow
You know what lonewolf? I was going to say the exact same thing, (about animals and humans) but couldn't find the words....you did.
Our view of the 'hierarchy' that is supposed to exist with us and the Creatures (us, of course being 'on top' of the whole lot of Creation).....is a bit askew, I think.
I am not inclined to view things that way. We have a particular level of intelligence(ie we can reflect, imagine, have abstract thought, etc) but then again, a squirrel, or a shark, or a cat, has a particular level of intelligence too. Who is to say one level of intelligence is 'higher' or 'greater' than the other?
That's only my opinion too.
Our view of the 'hierarchy' that is supposed to exist with us and the Creatures (us, of course being 'on top' of the whole lot of Creation).....is a bit askew, I think.
I am not inclined to view things that way. We have a particular level of intelligence(ie we can reflect, imagine, have abstract thought, etc) but then again, a squirrel, or a shark, or a cat, has a particular level of intelligence too. Who is to say one level of intelligence is 'higher' or 'greater' than the other?
That's only my opinion too.
I'd like to hear about that fish.
wonderful book! Anyone with a child on the spectrum should also read it. As you say, written by an autistic person.
Hmmmm, lonewolf07 :-))) I will put my thinking cap/hat on. I am about to pick a book up from my local library which is written by Temple Grandin who understands animals in unique ways...Animals make us Human.
She is a fascinating woman who is autistic but got her degrees/is a professor. Well worth learning about. She has written some interesting books like Thinking in Pictures. I met her some years ago when trying to deal with MJI's autism and found her suggestions helpful. At the time, MJI"s insect interest was driving us bananas and the school had told me to not let her have any (like glow in the dark insect stickers) and I had seen some bizarre reactions to my attempts to take away the insects.
Temple said to use the insects as a tool to teach her math, etc. Simple, but good suggestion. There is a reason we are drawn to what we are drawn to....:-)))
So, she is quite the lady in my book...having found a humane way for cattle to be slaughtered before going into the food chain.
I secret harbored the hope that MJI would be come an entomologist and find unique ways to connect with insects like Temple did with horses, cows, etc.
She is a fascinating woman who is autistic but got her degrees/is a professor. Well worth learning about. She has written some interesting books like Thinking in Pictures. I met her some years ago when trying to deal with MJI's autism and found her suggestions helpful. At the time, MJI"s insect interest was driving us bananas and the school had told me to not let her have any (like glow in the dark insect stickers) and I had seen some bizarre reactions to my attempts to take away the insects.
Temple said to use the insects as a tool to teach her math, etc. Simple, but good suggestion. There is a reason we are drawn to what we are drawn to....:-)))
So, she is quite the lady in my book...having found a humane way for cattle to be slaughtered before going into the food chain.
I secret harbored the hope that MJI would be come an entomologist and find unique ways to connect with insects like Temple did with horses, cows, etc.
Aren't there fish in the ocean who can only survive at incredibly deep depths? (Isn't my grammar just too much?) If these fish even see sunlight, they allegedly explode or implode, can't remember which. Why are all scientists human?
Yes, I heard about that too. Fascinating, isn't it?
I like the way lonewolf thinks! lol
I saw on a program last night on television where they found these worms way far down in dark pitch black water. Science has stated for years that nothing could survive or thrive without sunlight. Hmmm, science debunked again? Interesting read tho, thanks.
I saw on a program last night on television where they found these worms way far down in dark pitch black water. Science has stated for years that nothing could survive or thrive without sunlight. Hmmm, science debunked again? Interesting read tho, thanks.
To call a human being an animal can be seen as a compliment to humans or an insult to animals. How many animals have ever waged war? Committed rape? Destroyed the land to make a financial profit? Hunted humans as trophies? If someone calls me a bi*ch, I consider it a compliment since no non-human bi*ch sets out to intentionally hurt or destroy another.
Not a spiritual response, just my opinion.
Not a spiritual response, just my opinion.
:-O Interesting reflection...worth re-reading, Jagrut :-)))
Human is similar to other animals, but has some basic differences:
1) Human stands with a straight backbone, head in a vertical line, always perpendicular to a tangent on Earth's surface, acting in the same line of gravitational pull. This standing posture is of great significance. A straight standing/sitting person thinks more clearly than lying down/or with bent backbones. Moreover the line joining the head, backbone in straight posture, will pass through the core of the Earth, and go straight up. I can't think of any other animal having this alignment.
2) Two limbs are free, so a lot can be done.
3) Humans are more capable of suicide, feeling guilt/morals, thinking of death, God.
4) A single human can demonstrate all sorts of animalistic behaviour mentally like deception of a snake/cat, cleverness of a fox, humbleness of cows, faithfulness of dogs, flight of a bird. Humans learn far more from other animals/plants than those animals/plants do from humans.
5) Humans are capable of being most illogical/unpredictable in their thinking/behaviour compared to rest of the animal kingdom.
6) Human thinking/bonding/socialising is extremely and gives added survival advantages.
Similarities:
1) Humans are weak enough to forget all sanity and copulate like other animals. The most intelligent human is prone to losing her/his brain at the stroke of love/lust like other animals.
2) Like other animals, humans are limited in their ability by a capsule called body. They can only manifest one thought into action at a single point of time like other animals.
3) Humans are extremely logical/predictable like other animals when they are in hot pursuit of their wants - food, other body needs, rest.
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I find humans to be somewhere in between "a body-less mind having finite life" and "bodied lesser minds of the the world". Maybe humans represent the top of the pyramid of physically existing beings with the most aware mind.
1) Human stands with a straight backbone, head in a vertical line, always perpendicular to a tangent on Earth's surface, acting in the same line of gravitational pull. This standing posture is of great significance. A straight standing/sitting person thinks more clearly than lying down/or with bent backbones. Moreover the line joining the head, backbone in straight posture, will pass through the core of the Earth, and go straight up. I can't think of any other animal having this alignment.
2) Two limbs are free, so a lot can be done.
3) Humans are more capable of suicide, feeling guilt/morals, thinking of death, God.
4) A single human can demonstrate all sorts of animalistic behaviour mentally like deception of a snake/cat, cleverness of a fox, humbleness of cows, faithfulness of dogs, flight of a bird. Humans learn far more from other animals/plants than those animals/plants do from humans.
5) Humans are capable of being most illogical/unpredictable in their thinking/behaviour compared to rest of the animal kingdom.
6) Human thinking/bonding/socialising is extremely and gives added survival advantages.
Similarities:
1) Humans are weak enough to forget all sanity and copulate like other animals. The most intelligent human is prone to losing her/his brain at the stroke of love/lust like other animals.
2) Like other animals, humans are limited in their ability by a capsule called body. They can only manifest one thought into action at a single point of time like other animals.
3) Humans are extremely logical/predictable like other animals when they are in hot pursuit of their wants - food, other body needs, rest.
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I find humans to be somewhere in between "a body-less mind having finite life" and "bodied lesser minds of the the world". Maybe humans represent the top of the pyramid of physically existing beings with the most aware mind.
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