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Is this a real cure for Hashi?
Hi all,
I just came across this website and it says there is a cure for Hashi, any one know if what it says is true ?
http://www.****.com/0-6872/How-I-Cured-an-Incurable-Disease.html
I do know that I personally will cut out gluten in my diet and see how I feel as I do have digestive problems now. My son in law was Celic and is now ok so I have some idea about it.
Thanks for any input
Sandra
I just came across this website and it says there is a cure for Hashi, any one know if what it says is true ?
http://www.****.com/0-6872/How-I-Cured-an-Incurable-Disease.html
I do know that I personally will cut out gluten in my diet and see how I feel as I do have digestive problems now. My son in law was Celic and is now ok so I have some idea about it.
Thanks for any input
Sandra
I "used" to have those same red squiggly lines. When I switched from Windows NT to Windows 7 they went away!!!!
I live by those little red squiggly's!!!
I live by those little red squiggly's!!!
Don't sweat it. Just blame brain fog if all else fails lol. I don't have spell check but Medhelp likes to put red squiggly lines under all my non US spelling.
sorry about my mis spellings lately. I switched operating systems in windows. The older version used to highlight mis spelled words so I could go back and select and choose the proper spelling. The "new and improved" operating system doesn't do this anymore.
So for a spelling challenged engineer who is also a terrible typist, spell check is a Godsend. So in my case this change was not much of an "upgrade or improvement" !!!!!
So for a spelling challenged engineer who is also a terrible typist, spell check is a Godsend. So in my case this change was not much of an "upgrade or improvement" !!!!!
All I can say is that there are LOTS of people on this forum over the years. And I've never read of a single person who was able to stop taking medication because their Hashi's went away. But I have heard of a very high percentage of people with Hashi's have to progressively increase their medication. Just the opposite of being "cured".
So if spontaneoud remission occurs, it would seem to be very rare indeed. Unless one would have to stop taking hormone replacement and wait and see to determine if they are "cured".
Well I don't know too many people who were very Hypo and now feel well on their medication ever even attempting to go off of their medication to find out. THey do not want to ever go back into deep hypoland hell again! So maybe we just don't know because we are all too afraid to stop the medication to find out.
So if spontaneoud remission occurs, it would seem to be very rare indeed. Unless one would have to stop taking hormone replacement and wait and see to determine if they are "cured".
Well I don't know too many people who were very Hypo and now feel well on their medication ever even attempting to go off of their medication to find out. THey do not want to ever go back into deep hypoland hell again! So maybe we just don't know because we are all too afraid to stop the medication to find out.
LOL It was there in the googleverse waiting. :) Yes i have to question the quarter myself. Remission is noted to occur but i thought it was 5% actually. Not sure where i read that. I'm too lazy to look lol.
I still couldn't find that quote...perhaps it's in her book, but not her online blog???
I'm sorry, but when I pull up that kind of site (Naturally Knocked Up), my eyes immediately start glazing over. It all sounds so great, until you start asking yourself a few questions. On what basis did a nurse diagnose her with Hashi's? Did she ever really have it? If so, wouldn't you at least quote the lab work to prove it?
In the never say never department, I'm sure that some Hashi's does go into spontaneous remission. Stranger things happen. However, one quarter? And I'm yet to meet my first? Perhaps it's just deceptive in that it's in an article about Hashi's, so one assumes that "...it is now clear that up to one-fourth of patients who are hypothyroid may spontaneously return to normal function over the course of several years" implies they are talking about people with Hashi's. In fact, if you analyze the text, it says only "...patients who are hypothyroid..." - nothing about Hashi's. If they're talking about hypo from all causes, perhaps. I still think one quarter is way too high considering the preponderance of Hashi's.
Too many questions, too few anwsers, too little documentation...
I'm sorry, but when I pull up that kind of site (Naturally Knocked Up), my eyes immediately start glazing over. It all sounds so great, until you start asking yourself a few questions. On what basis did a nurse diagnose her with Hashi's? Did she ever really have it? If so, wouldn't you at least quote the lab work to prove it?
In the never say never department, I'm sure that some Hashi's does go into spontaneous remission. Stranger things happen. However, one quarter? And I'm yet to meet my first? Perhaps it's just deceptive in that it's in an article about Hashi's, so one assumes that "...it is now clear that up to one-fourth of patients who are hypothyroid may spontaneously return to normal function over the course of several years" implies they are talking about people with Hashi's. In fact, if you analyze the text, it says only "...patients who are hypothyroid..." - nothing about Hashi's. If they're talking about hypo from all causes, perhaps. I still think one quarter is way too high considering the preponderance of Hashi's.
Too many questions, too few anwsers, too little documentation...
The quote is from Thyroid Disease Manager - Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. There are various blogs online about those who were diagnosed with Hashimoto's but no longer suffering the symptoms, stopped take medication and show no signs of Hashi's on blood work. A few random blogs for instance:
Naturally Knocked Up - Part two of Healing Hashimoto’s
Mind Body Green - How I Cured an Incurable Disease.
Very interesting reading.
Naturally Knocked Up - Part two of Healing Hashimoto’s
Mind Body Green - How I Cured an Incurable Disease.
Very interesting reading.
I'm not sure where your quote comes from, but I did check out the study from NEJM that it references. The NEJM study in no way says that up to a quarter of people with Hashi's spontaneously return to normal. In fact, in the study, only 9% of people with Hashi's even had positive thyroid stimulating blocking antibodies, and of that 9%, less than half saw their blocking antibodies go into remission.
I would have to wonder where all those people whose TRab went into remission are. This study is over 20 years old, and I've yet to hear of person #1 with Hashi's becoming euthyroid again.
I would have to wonder where all those people whose TRab went into remission are. This study is over 20 years old, and I've yet to hear of person #1 with Hashi's becoming euthyroid again.
"Generally the progression from euthyroidism to hypothyroidism has been considered an irreversible process due to thyroid cell damage and loss of thyroidal iodine stores (Fig. 8-4). However, it is now clear that up to one-fourth of patients who are hypothyroid may spontaneously return to normal function over the course of several years. This sequence may reflect the initial effect of high titers of thyroid stimulation blocking antibodies which fall with time and allow thyroid function to return(23)." thyroid Disease Manager - Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis
23. Takasu N, Yamada T, Takasu M, Komiya I, Nagasawa Y, Asawa T, Shinoda T, Aizawa T, Koizumi Y. Disappearance of thyrotropin-blocking antibodies and spontaneous recovery from hypothyroidism in autoimmune thyroiditis. N Engl J Med 326:513-518, 1992.
I like the sound of that! :)
23. Takasu N, Yamada T, Takasu M, Komiya I, Nagasawa Y, Asawa T, Shinoda T, Aizawa T, Koizumi Y. Disappearance of thyrotropin-blocking antibodies and spontaneous recovery from hypothyroidism in autoimmune thyroiditis. N Engl J Med 326:513-518, 1992.
I like the sound of that! :)
I think concidering your kind advice, I will just try and eat more healthy and cut out the foods that seem to disagree with me, I have always excersied so I will try and continue to do so although at the moment I don't feel good at all, but I'm hoping when I get the meds balanced I will start to feel better, I just worry that I will put on weight, I'm ok at present so I'm trying my best to keep active and not eat too much .
As flyingfool suggested, you can try a g/f diet to see if you feel any better. Some people feel better on it, and they should continue it. However, if you're doing it just to "cure" your Hashi's, you're going to be disappointed. I went g/f a few years back (not for thyroid reasons), and I have to say that the g/f diet was not good for me. I believe it caused some other rather nasty g/i symptoms. Sometimes, as we get older, change, even change for the supposed "better", is hard for our bodies to deal with. You might want to run it by your doctor before you make any major changes.
Maybe your SIL was just non-celiac gluten intolerant. Celiac is autoimmune, so when you eat gluten, the antibodies attack the gut. Like Hashi's, once you have the antibodies, you have them for life. If you have celiac and you stop eating gluten for a period of time, the antibodies can go into remission, but they will return again the minute you eat gluten.
Maybe your SIL was just non-celiac gluten intolerant. Celiac is autoimmune, so when you eat gluten, the antibodies attack the gut. Like Hashi's, once you have the antibodies, you have them for life. If you have celiac and you stop eating gluten for a period of time, the antibodies can go into remission, but they will return again the minute you eat gluten.
Thanks for the reply , I guess I was being hopeful that I found a cure, that's why I asked, but I do believe with every illness there is a cure and wouldn't it be nice if we found one, I'm new to this and am trying to find out as much as possible so that I can understand whats going on with my body. As I siad Im so happy I found this forum and you guys, it really is a great support,
Sandra
Sandra
Thanks for your input, the doctor tolds my son in law hes ok now so I don't understand that , will have to ask him, as he is eating normal again, and my daughter was so happy not to have to prepare 2 dishes every dinner time .
And your right I was wondering if the "cure" was for real as it always involves money, but I was being hopeful, still I do have digestive problems thats for sure and I need to see what foods bother me the most .
Im so happy to have found you all and this site , your a great support , thank you ,
Sandra
And your right I was wondering if the "cure" was for real as it always involves money, but I was being hopeful, still I do have digestive problems thats for sure and I need to see what foods bother me the most .
Im so happy to have found you all and this site , your a great support , thank you ,
Sandra
Some people here have gone gluten free and have felt better. Probably because they were gluten intolerant and just didn't know it.
Others have tried gluten free and felt no better and some even felt worse.
With reading thing here and other places, I have yet to come across anything which would make me believe that gluten free with "cure" thyroid disorder.
But trying to go gluten free may be worth a shot. Maybe you'll feel better. And there's nothing wrong with that! But I wouldn't hold out too much hope that it "cures" thyroid issue.
Will it possibly reduce the amount of antibodies and thus the rate of attack on the thyroid. I suppose MAYBE that could possibly be. But it it only slows the problem down that is not a cure per say.
Like I said. go gluten free and see if you feel better or not. It is only an inconvenience and takes discipline to do. If it does nothing all you've wasted is a bit of time and effort. If you feel better then great. so you don't really have much to lose.
How's that for a non answer, answer?
Others have tried gluten free and felt no better and some even felt worse.
With reading thing here and other places, I have yet to come across anything which would make me believe that gluten free with "cure" thyroid disorder.
But trying to go gluten free may be worth a shot. Maybe you'll feel better. And there's nothing wrong with that! But I wouldn't hold out too much hope that it "cures" thyroid issue.
Will it possibly reduce the amount of antibodies and thus the rate of attack on the thyroid. I suppose MAYBE that could possibly be. But it it only slows the problem down that is not a cure per say.
Like I said. go gluten free and see if you feel better or not. It is only an inconvenience and takes discipline to do. If it does nothing all you've wasted is a bit of time and effort. If you feel better then great. so you don't really have much to lose.
How's that for a non answer, answer?
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If your son-in-law has Celiac, he must scrupulously avoid gluten for the rest of his life. Celiac is an autoimmune disease, and it doesn't go away. Many people, and much of the older literature, confuse Celiac with non-celiac gluten intolerance, a different condition. Most of the people who espouse the gluten free cure for Hashi's tend to exploit that confusion. Also, follow the money trail. These protocols usually involve much more than a g/f diet, supplements, etc. are sold by the practitioners. It's a gold mine.