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ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF PENNYROYAL INDUCING ABORTION. I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT FOR AN ABORTION ON SATURDAY AND REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT. SO I WAS WOMDERING IF ANYONE HAS EVER TRIED THIS AND IS IT SAFE? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE?
Look I do not know your situation and I have seen some of the other posts about you losing your mother and I am sorry for that. I also, know of a woman that lost not only her mother but her father in the same pregnancy term and still went on to raise her child. If you have a bf that is no good than obviously you shold not have completed the action required to make a baby. I do want to shed some light for the ladies on here looking for help that you are right there are many women out there that are not allowed to have children and I totally support the argument that you should carry it out to term and adopt it to a private family not destroy the life you created. No, it is not right to control someone elses opinion or life choices but by the information you have given its not the shittiest position I have seen someone in and I think you should really think about this long and hard before you make hasty decisions. Any women on here would be glad to help or talk with you infact not that it would happen but Im sure there is a woman or family near you that would love a baby and cherish it. Think about what life someone else could have with the baby. you can get closed adoptions and its like giving the baby a mother and not ever seeing it again.
well lets' see here ladies, a 4 year olds throat gets slashed and this baby is aborted. For God sakes their both dead right??!!! The end result is the same. WE humans want to catogorize murder, but I promise you God Doesn't. This is murder to Him, and i don't care who likes and who doesn't like it. that is the truth. And if you murder this child, i promise you renay, you will be held accountable. I feel very sorry for you and i reached out ot help you on the last posts you made, i cannot begin to imagine what it feels like to lose your mother. I do know what it feels like to be with someone who doen't care about you, BUT what does that have to do with you killing ababy?? Can you not sacrifice 9 months to give life to a baby??? I know your depressed, so AM I renay!!! Be strong and go to church and get you life straight with God , if you think you got problenms , just take a look at your child --he/ she has got problems, it's mother is about to kill it! now that's problems!! Everybody that is a Christian please let's pray for REnay and this poor child.
How 'bout you be accountable and responsible for your actions, carry the baby you created by your reckless actions to term, and adopt it out to a loving family who's been desperately trying to have a child?
Grow up.
Grow up.
I see from your previous post you're 28 years old. Old enough for a serious lesson in how to be accountable for your behavior.
If you read the other post you may have realized your judgement on this situation is not needed. Obviously Betty did not read the post either. This person is going through a rough time and is looking/asking for help. Not only on abortion. Please try and be kind and express your views in a more constructive way. I am NOT trying to start an argument. Let that be very clear please. I only know that Renay is feeling very alone and scared. Renay99 if you would like to talk about this off the board feel free to email me. ***@****
Take care,
Heather
Take care,
Heather
Abortion is such a tuff decision. On one hand maybe you shouldn't have the baby because you are not stable enough to have one, but on the other hand you may not be able to handle the abortion stress. You really need to get some conseling before you make this decision. If you need to talk write me ***@****
I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who got upset about this. I'm new and thought I'd better keep my mouth shut, but that's really not like me.....
You have a lot of nerve posting something like that on here. What the hell are you thinking? Did you not notice that the topic of this forum is Maternal/Child?
There are so many of us out here who have had serious fertility problems for a very long time; and many who have never been able to have children who want them desperately. And YOU, who are taking VERY calculated steps to terminate the life of your child, are waving your viable pregnancy in their faces. And you want HELP?!?! Not to mention the fact that you are being TOTALLY irresponsible in your complete disregard for human life.
It is becoming very apparent to me that most people are under the impression that they are not accountable for their actions, maybe I'm just a little slow. For every action in our lives there is a consequence, whether it be good or bad. Your consequence at this moment is that you are pregnant. If you think that's as bad as it gets, wait til you have to deal with consequences of terminating this pregnancy, THAT my dear, is something you will have to live with for the rest of your life.......assuming of course that you actually have a conscience.
You need to find yourself another forum, I think you've caused more than enough damage for one day.
You have a lot of nerve posting something like that on here. What the hell are you thinking? Did you not notice that the topic of this forum is Maternal/Child?
There are so many of us out here who have had serious fertility problems for a very long time; and many who have never been able to have children who want them desperately. And YOU, who are taking VERY calculated steps to terminate the life of your child, are waving your viable pregnancy in their faces. And you want HELP?!?! Not to mention the fact that you are being TOTALLY irresponsible in your complete disregard for human life.
It is becoming very apparent to me that most people are under the impression that they are not accountable for their actions, maybe I'm just a little slow. For every action in our lives there is a consequence, whether it be good or bad. Your consequence at this moment is that you are pregnant. If you think that's as bad as it gets, wait til you have to deal with consequences of terminating this pregnancy, THAT my dear, is something you will have to live with for the rest of your life.......assuming of course that you actually have a conscience.
You need to find yourself another forum, I think you've caused more than enough damage for one day.
THANK YOU HEATHER...I CAME HERE LOOKING FOR HELP I DIDN'T THINK YOU PEOPLE WERE HERE TO JUDGE ME. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH AND HOW BAD IT HURTS ME ALREADY TO EVEN THINK OF HAVING AN ABORTION. MY DR. HAS ME ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SUICIDAL SINCE THE DEATH OF MY MOTHER. THEY'RE NOT HELPING MUCH. IT ALSO DOESN'T HELP FOR PEOPLE TO BE SO JUDGMENTAL OF ME WHEN I AM IN NEED OF SOME ONE TO TALK TO WHO CAN TRY AND UNDERSTAND.
renay I know your in atough posistion, not having any family and this BF that uses you. I understand , but please don't murder this innocent child b/c of this. god created this baby adn he has plans for this child's life. And it's not fair to this little boy or girl for you take it's life. I'm beggin you to reconsider this. I wouuld give anything to have my children with me. Ihave lost 5 babies. My husband and i will adopt this baby and you will never have to deal with it again. we can go thur DHR and it will be so easy. All it takes is 9 months for this little child ot have alife, we are Christians and this baby will have the best things in life, please consider this, we will do whatever you need if will just have this child. my email is ***@**** please let us or somebody have this baby, but Don't kill this child please!!!
jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed you in the womb.... I knew you." GOD
jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed you in the womb.... I knew you." GOD
renay I know your in atough posistion, not having any family and this BF that uses you. I understand , but please don't murder this innocent child b/c of this. god created this baby adn he has plans for this child's life. And it's not fair to this little boy or girl for you take it's life. I'm beggin you to reconsider this. I wouuld give anything to have my children with me. Ihave lost 5 babies. My husband and i will adopt this baby and you will never have to deal with it again. we can go thur DHR and it will be so easy. All it takes is 9 months for this little child ot have alife, we are Christians and this baby will have the best things in life, please consider this, we will do whatever you need if will just have this child. my email is ***@**** please let us or somebody have this baby, but Don't kill this child please!!!
jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed you in the womb.... I knew you." GOD
jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed you in the womb.... I knew you." GOD
renay I know your in atough posistion, not having any family and this BF that uses you. I understand , but please don't murder this innocent child b/c of this. god created this baby adn he has plans for this child's life. And it's not fair to this little boy or girl for you take it's life. I'm beggin you to reconsider this. I wouuld give anything to have my children with me. Ihave lost 5 babies. My husband and i will adopt this baby and you will never have to deal with it again. we can go thur DHR and it will be so easy. All it takes is 9 months for this little child ot have alife, we are Christians and this baby will have the best things in life, please consider this, we will do whatever you need if will just have this child. my email is ***@**** please let us or somebody have this baby, but Don't kill this child please!!!
jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed you in the womb.... I knew you." GOD
jeremiah 1:5 "before I formed you in the womb.... I knew you." GOD
I knew of a thirteen year old girl who was raped and became pregnant. Is she responsible and accountable for her actions? Please don't pass judgement along when you may not know the person or their situation. People come here for help. If someone gets this response when they come to an anonymous forum, what should they expect going for answers at clinics? They become scared, and do dangerous things that we all regret. I know it hits home for some of the ladies on this forum, but we need to keep our wits about us and realize that not everyone is in the same situation as we may be - and they may not know where else to go. I love coming here and listening to the advice and comraderie all of the women feel - no one should be excluded. I wish everyone the best of luck in everything everyone needs. Shelley
Renay,
Email me or skd7474 please.
Heather
Email me or skd7474 please.
Heather
I AM VERY SORRY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING PREGNANT I IMAGINE IT IS A PRETTY HURTFUL SITUATION. BUT SO IS KNOWING THAT YOU'RE PREGNANT WITH A CHILD WHO'S FATHER DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU. I IMAGINE IT DOES HURT YOU TO SEE A POST LIKE MINE BUT THE SAME AS YOU NEED HELP I DO TO. I DON'T NEED TO BE ATTACKED. I NEVER THOUGHT I BELIEVED IN ABORTION. THE TOPIC IS MATERNAL/CHILD PREGNANCY NORMAL...SO FAR IT IS A NORMAL PREGNANCY.....THANK YOU.
Renay, I know you must be just beating yourself up right now, I read your previous post and it sounds like you really need to talk to someone, especially now that you are pregnant. Talk to a counselor or a pastor and really weigh your options before doing something that you may regret and something that may put you further down that road of depression. Certainly adoption is a good way to go, there are a lot of families out there that would be happy to take your baby and possibly help you through this. Getting an abortion is not an easy thing to do physically, mentally and emotionally, so really think about it before you make a decision. Take Care of yourself and maybe you should think about going to church somewhere, you'd be surprised by the strength you'll find there and the support. Lean on God and he will help you through these tough times.
Kendra
ttc#3 8 months
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Kendra
ttc#3 8 months
dd's (5) (2)
M/c 08/03
Okay, now I feel REALLY bad....I didn't see Heather's post to Suzee....
I'm sorry if I have caused any more upheaval, just REALLY struck a nerve with me. Maybe I ought to be a little more revealing in my reason for being so harsh.....and maybe everyone else ought to know as well in case there are any more Renays out there. I've never talked about this before, so maybe that's why I'm so touchy about it.
I was forced by my mother to have an abortion at 17 that I DID NOT want....I didn't really know what I wanted at that time, but I knew that wasn't the route I wanted even though I had no idea how I was going to raise a child. I felt very alone and scared to death because I didn't have any support whatsoever....I just had her there telling me what scum I was for becoming pregnant and that I had embarassed her. I didn't know that I had any legal rights at that age, and after I found out that I did, it was too late. I was so angry with myself for not knowing any better and I still have problems dealing with it to this day. It has been 15 years and I have had to live with this every day. Every time I look at my five beautiful children, I always think there should be six. My husband says I shouldn't be so hard on myself because it was a long time ago and there's nothing I can do to change it, and he's probably right, but I had NO IDEA how life altering that one decision was going to be.
I guess instead of chastising and judging you Renay, I should have been more compasionate, especially not knowing your circumstances. I am truly sorry. I think the earlier post about the counseling is probably an excellent idea.
I'm sorry if I have caused any more upheaval, just REALLY struck a nerve with me. Maybe I ought to be a little more revealing in my reason for being so harsh.....and maybe everyone else ought to know as well in case there are any more Renays out there. I've never talked about this before, so maybe that's why I'm so touchy about it.
I was forced by my mother to have an abortion at 17 that I DID NOT want....I didn't really know what I wanted at that time, but I knew that wasn't the route I wanted even though I had no idea how I was going to raise a child. I felt very alone and scared to death because I didn't have any support whatsoever....I just had her there telling me what scum I was for becoming pregnant and that I had embarassed her. I didn't know that I had any legal rights at that age, and after I found out that I did, it was too late. I was so angry with myself for not knowing any better and I still have problems dealing with it to this day. It has been 15 years and I have had to live with this every day. Every time I look at my five beautiful children, I always think there should be six. My husband says I shouldn't be so hard on myself because it was a long time ago and there's nothing I can do to change it, and he's probably right, but I had NO IDEA how life altering that one decision was going to be.
I guess instead of chastising and judging you Renay, I should have been more compasionate, especially not knowing your circumstances. I am truly sorry. I think the earlier post about the counseling is probably an excellent idea.
Whether or not my judgement is "needed" is not an issue when you're talking about a public message board on the internet.
Yes, I have read her previous post. I read it the day she posted it. I have severe depression in my family and suicide and have taken antidepressants myself.
Someone cannot use the label "suicidal" as an excuse to absolve themselves of accountability. Works that way in the court system too. "I'm a drug addict - my judgement was clouded because of all the heroine I chose to take." "I'm mentally ill, so I can't be held accountable for slashing that 4 year old girl's throat with a butcher knife."
Yes, I have read her previous post. I read it the day she posted it. I have severe depression in my family and suicide and have taken antidepressants myself.
Someone cannot use the label "suicidal" as an excuse to absolve themselves of accountability. Works that way in the court system too. "I'm a drug addict - my judgement was clouded because of all the heroine I chose to take." "I'm mentally ill, so I can't be held accountable for slashing that 4 year old girl's throat with a butcher knife."
Please let it go. Your point and views are understood and you are entitled to them. I wrote earlier I am not trying to start an argument. Most people on this board on are probably pro-life and that's good. Renay expressed her apologies for offending anyone and it should be left at that. My apologies to you if you thought I was lashing out at you. I was not at all promise!
Heather
Heather
>I knew of a thirteen year old girl who was raped and became pregnant. Is she responsible and accountable for her actions?
What were her "actions"? Being a victim? The actions were not "hers", but that of her rapist. Don't condescend to me!
I'm going by the information this woman provided in her previous post of the circumstances of her pregnancy. She was not a rape victim.
What were her "actions"? Being a victim? The actions were not "hers", but that of her rapist. Don't condescend to me!
I'm going by the information this woman provided in her previous post of the circumstances of her pregnancy. She was not a rape victim.
SLASHING A CHILDS THROAT IS ILLEAGAL --- ABORTION IS NOT. YOU CANNOT COMPARE THE TWO. TAKING DRUGS IS A CHOICE PEOPLE MAKE. MY MOTHER DYING WAS OUT OF MY HANDS AND IT HAS LEFT ME AN EMOTION MESS. I WAS PERFECTLY HAPPY UNTIL SHE DIED. I AM NOT A MURDERER. PEOPLE GO TO JAIL FOR MURDER, NOT ABORTION.
Re-read my post. I was CERTAINLY not comparing someone slashing a 4 year old's throat with someone having an abortion. I was making a point about accountability, not making a connection between the actions themselves.
I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE BEEN TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE IN THE WAY I HAVE BEHAVED IN THE PAST 2 MONTHS AND I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES. THERE ARE NONE. BUT IT'S TIME FOR ME TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND IT IS UNFAIR TO BRING A CHILD INTO THE WORLD WITH AN UNCARING FATHER AND AN MENTALLY AND FINACIALLY UNSTABLE MOTHER. I JUST WANT TO DO WHATS RIGHT. I WANTED ADVICE..I DON'T WANT AN ARGUMENT...WE ARE ALL GROWN UPS HERE.
Hey There,
I believe in Pro-choice.. Its not up to anyone else but you.. I would ignore the ignorant posts.. I myself am trying to conceive a child.. But I still dont think its right to lash out at ppl the way some ppl are in here.. Their choice is to have a child.. Yours is not at the moment.. Some ppl dont understand your situation.. And because they dont understand it they seem to think its ok to get angry with you.. I also agree with some of the posts that maybe you should have found a Abortion fourm.. but i also understand your just looking for answers somewhere and fast.. I would also like to recommend to get counseling before making suck a life changing situation.. Are you really sure about this?? Ya know.. Its ok to raise a child alone.. in my opinion all a child needs is one great parent to make it through life and become sucessful.. God gave you this child for a reason.. Just think it over.. You can always change your mind.. Make sure this is what you want.. Dont make a choice that will make you suffer for the rest of your life.. I know a friend of mine had a abortion and wasnt sure about it at the time.. Now she regrets it with all her heart because now she cant have kids due to a accident... If you need to talk to me please email me at ***@****.. Or email Hther.. Shes Coolio =) a great listener and a wonderful friend to have (trust me.. shes been here for me when i needed a friend the most) Anyways.. Please take care of yourself.. Hope to hear from you soon.. **HUGGSSS**
~*Chloe*~
I believe in Pro-choice.. Its not up to anyone else but you.. I would ignore the ignorant posts.. I myself am trying to conceive a child.. But I still dont think its right to lash out at ppl the way some ppl are in here.. Their choice is to have a child.. Yours is not at the moment.. Some ppl dont understand your situation.. And because they dont understand it they seem to think its ok to get angry with you.. I also agree with some of the posts that maybe you should have found a Abortion fourm.. but i also understand your just looking for answers somewhere and fast.. I would also like to recommend to get counseling before making suck a life changing situation.. Are you really sure about this?? Ya know.. Its ok to raise a child alone.. in my opinion all a child needs is one great parent to make it through life and become sucessful.. God gave you this child for a reason.. Just think it over.. You can always change your mind.. Make sure this is what you want.. Dont make a choice that will make you suffer for the rest of your life.. I know a friend of mine had a abortion and wasnt sure about it at the time.. Now she regrets it with all her heart because now she cant have kids due to a accident... If you need to talk to me please email me at ***@****.. Or email Hther.. Shes Coolio =) a great listener and a wonderful friend to have (trust me.. shes been here for me when i needed a friend the most) Anyways.. Please take care of yourself.. Hope to hear from you soon.. **HUGGSSS**
~*Chloe*~
I understand that this situation is not one that you care to talk about, but everyone has their own opinions and feelings about what is right for them. Maybe you don't beleive in abortion under any circumstance, but this person who is reaching out to us for help obviously does. She may not feel deep down inside that her actions prior to this were the best, but she has to look at what is going on in her life right now and what she needs to do for herself. If having an abortion is what she feels is necessary, than she can do that. As she said, abortion is not illegal! Everyone has their own opinions! We obviously all know your opinion and that is fine, but don't tell her that she is a terrible person or wrong for what she is doing because you don't beleive in it. She came here for help and if you think you are helping her in any way, you are very wrong. You, if anything, are making her situation worse. And if your response to this is, "Good!, she deserves to feel bad because she is doing something wrong!" Then maybe you should not be on this fourm. People come here for help and althought most of the people here are trying to have a child and don't want to hear about abortions, it does happen in this world and they need just as much help as we do. So maybe instead of thinking about yourself this time, you should think of someone else. Maybe you should think of the poor girl who is reaching out to us for some help because she doesn't think she has anywhere else to go. WE SHOULD BE HERE TO HELP HER NOT MAKE HER FEEL LIKE ****!!!!!!
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