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DONT PUT YOUR CHILD ON THE ADHD MEDS

I WANT MY STORY KNOWN.  I HAVE A 7 YR OLD THAT WAS TREATED FOR ADHD 2 YRS AGO, NEVER COULD FIND THE RIGHT MEDS, SO OF COURSE THEY KEPT SWITCHING THEM.  IN 2YRS THEY STILL CANT FIND THE RIGHT MEDS. SINCE THE BEGINNING SHE IS NOW BEING TREATED FOR ADHD, ANXIETY, AND ODD.  SHE HAS BEEN ON FOCLAIN,ADDERAL,STRATERRA, RISPERDALE,ZOLOFT,VYVANCE, AND MORE.  IN THE BEGINNING MY DAUGHTER WAS A VERY SWEET LITTLE GIRL SHE WOULD GO THREW HELL OR HIGHWATER TO HELP SOMEONE, SHE WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE LITTLE GIRLS THAT EVERYONE LOVED. THEN WE GET TO THE PAST 2MTHS OF OUR LIVES.  SHE WAS STARTING TO GET VERY MOODY SHE COULDNT PLAY WITH OTHER KIDS CAUSE SHE WAS HATEFUL AND HAD TO BE IN CONTROLL.  THEN OUR LAST VISIT TO THE WONDERFUL DR HE PUTS HER ON 150MG OF ZOLOFT 10 MG RISPERDALE 50MG OF VYVANCE, THEN HELL BEGAN, SHE STARTED HAVING EPISODES OF NONSTOP GIGGLING,THEN THAT LEAD INTO UNCONTROLLABLE CRYING, THEN THE VIOLENT RAGES, SHE LOST CONTROLL  OF HERSELF, SHE BEGGED ME TO GET A GUN AND SHOOT HER CAUSE SHE FELT CRAZY.  WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING HER OFF THE MEDS, AND IT IS HELL.  MY LITTLE GIRL IS HAVING WITHDRAWLS, SHES HAVING REALLY BAD SWEATS.  IM TELLING YOU PLEASE READ THIS AND KEEP IN MIND THESE DRS DONT KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR KIDS THEY JUST WANT TO DRUG THEM, PLEASE ANYONE OUT THERE CAN DEAL WITH A HYPER CHILD BUT HAVING A CHILD THAT CANT CONTROLL THERE SELF AND PUTS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN DANGER IS MUCH HARDER THAN A HYPER CHILD.  IF THE SCHOOLS TELL YOU THAT YOUR CHILD IS ADHD TELL THEM TO STICK IT THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU CHILD BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY R DOING.  I WANT TO CRY WHEN I HEAR OF KIDS BEING ON MEDS THERE JUST AS BAD AS STREET DRUGS MAYBE WORSE.  OUR LIVES R NOW ON HOLD WE CANT DO ANYTHING UNTILL WE GET HER RECOVERED.  YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME BUT PLEASE TRUST ME NO ONE DESERVES TO GO THREW THIS . I THANK GOD EVERYDAY THAT I HAVE MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO SUPPORT US.  IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS ANY OF THE SAME ISSUES.  PLEASE TALK TO ME.
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535822 tn?1443976780
I have seen so much recently of exactly this there are many posts here where Parents cannot deal with the Problems of child Behavior  and go to have a label put on their child and give them Powerful mind altering Drugs,Thank you for putting this up there it took courage, wean your child slowly from this stuff with a lot of care and attention she will be fine ,at least you have realised what has been happening so it can only get better.A lot of the "problems' parents encounter are from their own lacking  Parenting skills, a lot of the Behaviors can be changed and Managed,it is unfortunate that the schools are allowing Teachers to diagnose ADD and AHD and actually tell the Parents their children should be on Drugs with dreadful side effects .Let us know how she is doing you arre caring enough to see this there are sites out there that will shock you as to the Enormity of this problem going on.
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It is highly unlikely that any teacher has "diagnosed" a child with ADD, ADHD, or any other disease with an acronym, because that is unethical and illegal. To suggest that a parent address the child's issues with the family doctor or pediatrician, is not illegal.
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535822 tn?1443976780
You have dragged up an old thread....the date is August 15th 2008 we are now March 2009...
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535822 tn?1443976780
Okay change the word Diagnose to reccomend..... pity thats the only help you gave this parent was to drag up an old thread and  attack me .
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I didn't read what TUDA81 said given that it was in all caps, but the post margypops made is very true; teachers are trained to "spot" children with learning disabilities  so the doctors can medicate them.  That's what happened to me in kindergarden.  I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing really, but I can't operate with out stimulants and find myself inclined to believe that stims are important for me to continue using.  

I disagree that Unethical = Unlikely.  Pointing this out to riczgrl would be easier than feeling attacked or retaliating.  
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766523 tn?1234751248
The best meth for a child with add and adhd is giving that child lots of Love and giving him lots of fruits and Vegitables feeding him white meats instead of junk food. Giving him his own luch for school. If you have the time then you should just home school he/she for a week to see what is wrong with him and then try to see what is the best way that he could learn or she. I feel that in this life time every dr is just trying to put any kid on meds, and if that was the case then way didn't they do that back in the old times. A child has lots of love to give and with patietion you and your child could over come it. These type of children just need more ateintion then then the average child. It is a working  process. children with add and adhd are very smart.
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189897 tn?1441126518
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    "I feel that in this life time every dr is just trying to put any kid on meds, and if that was the case then way didn't they do that back in the old times."
      Well, I was teaching back in the 70's and I can tell you that the Doctors then had no clue what ADHD was or how to effectively treat it.  Due to a lot of medical trials and scientific evidence - Doctors today have a much better idea of treatment (just as they do for cancers, etc).  
      I also think that if you go to a Doctor, then you are expecting him to use meds.  They aren't going to give you psychological counseling.  Some will and that costs a ton more money.  And yes, there are Doctors who will take the easy way out by prescribing meds and never see you again.  But then the parents are also taking the easy way out if they allow that to happen.
    I definitely agree with your last statement  that, "These type of children just need more ateintion then then the average child. It is a working  process. children with add and adhd are very smart."  However, I would add that it is a lot more complicated than that.  Not all ADHD kids are the same.  Some need a lot more help and that could include medical attention.
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I have a son with ADHD. My problems with him started a few years ago. He was sexually abused by his step grandfather. Who by the way is free and clear.  He used to be a sweet loving child and all of the sudden he turned into this little hellion. I dont even know how to describe him.  Everybody loved him. He was ok at school and awful at home. A year or so went by and he started being bad at school too. He got suspended from school in the 1st grade.  He even got paddlings in the 2nd grade. We finally got him to the dr and they diagnosed him with ADHD put him on meds and he is a completly different child. I dont like giving my kids meds. HOWEVER with him it is necessary.
Yes I agree they are too quick to say yep your kid is ADHD but some of us (i am sure I'm not the only one) have dealt with trying to do it with just couseling and loving them and all of that without meds for a long time. I'm not trying to be hateful or anything just informing others of the situation
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765070 tn?1384869794
I just read your comments on ADHD meds.  My son was put on Zoloft when he was 6 and I had to take him off of it after 6 months.  He had the same issues and I decided to wean him off of this drug on my own.  He is doing good now.  He is 11 and takes only Vyvanse 30 mg.  I am planning on taking him off of the Vyvanse in the summer and trying L-Theasine which is a natural vitamin.  The doctors and teachers did not listen to what we want for our child, so I had to take matters into my own hands.  Meds have caused more problems than actually helping him.  He used to be such an outgoing little boy and now is fearful, shy, backward, and always worried about what people think of him.  Since he has been on the Vyvanse, his personality has definitely been coming back to the outgoing child that I use to know.  

I do not think that doing nothing about ADHD is a good thing but just putting them on meds is wrong.  Meds do not solve the problem.  
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189897 tn?1441126518
COMMUNITY LEADER
   It's hard to believe they would put a 6 year old on Zoloft  (well, ya I can believe it).  Pretty bad misdiagnosis.  Vyvanse is a nice slow acting stimulate which lasts for a long time.  Zoloft is a whole different ball game.  Hopefully, the L-Theasine will work for you.  If it does please write back and let us know.
   Please realize that  your sons behavior of being "fearful, shy, backward, and always worried about what people think of him,"  is one of the problems with ADHD.  Kids in school are judged all the time.  When they have some problems controlling themselves due to the ADHD, and teachers, classmated, etc.  are on them all the time - then the above behaviors can happen.  
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I have ADD and so do my 2 daughters who are now 17 & 19 years old, my daughters were not medicated as children, diet palys a huge part in behaviour as well as parenting, my husband and I had to learn different parenting methods and it does work. children with ADD need to be disiplined in a different way.  Children with ADD respond much better to praise, I praised all the good things they did and  it is amazing how a child will respond to praise and recognition.children with ADD can often be very sensitive to criticism and anger.  My daughters were only medicated when they reached college being both 16 years old when they started meds (year 11 and 12 here) this was only because they were having problems at school, on medication my younger daughter wnet from failing to being an A student is advanced maths etc, my oldest used to fall asleep in class and was frustrated because she had so much trouble, on medication she has now started a nursing degree and is doing well because she has also learnt how to work with her ADD with study.  the meds will help you concentrate and focus when you find something boring.  

I believe that there is a place for medication if and only if it is required, I also believe that there are kids out there that do not actually have ADD but are treated for it and to many people medicate for the wrong reasons. ADD meds should not stimulate a person with ADD, I also take my meds to help me sleep.  if you truly have ADD the medication does help, the diference in my life since I started meds has been amazing.  I am amazed at the drugs your daughter is on, it is really a vicius cycle.  I wish you luck when I found out my girls had this I did as much research as I could and made my decisions, do not be afraid to question your Dr, just because they have a white coat does not make them infalible, do your homework and talk to people there are many differing opions out there.

Good Luck
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I am not even going to waste my time reading the responses when i see things like "Feed your kid vegetables and white chicken meat" to treat biological brain medical conditions.  For the love of gawed.  Yeah, so if you have diabetes, don't take insulin, just hope for the best and it will be ok@??!??!?!

Anyway, similar things happened to my daughter.  YOUR GIRL SOUNDS LIKE SHE HAS CHILDHOOD BIPOLAR and the doctor has apparently missed this.  FIND A DOCTOR WHO WILL CONSIDER GIVING HER A MOOD STABILIZER SUCH AS DEPAKOTE SPRINKLES ----  very well tolerated and well studied in children for seizures.  It has helped our daughter VERY MUCH and she was also given an antidepressant that made her manic and talk of suicidal stuff at age 5, with giggling and screaming and horror stories galore...and getting off of it was awful but after a month or so on depakote and off of the antidepressant we have a DIFFERENT KID.  
If you need to talk...email me.  I UNDERSTAND.
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800339 tn?1270433486
This is a good example about how people generalize.  Yes, there are some doctors that will prescribe just about anything under the sun, because they want money, but more often than not that isn't the case.  I was diagnosed with Bipolar and ADHD when I was 9.  That diagnose has stuck, and I'm 22 years old, and have seen plenty of different Psychiatrists for evals.  I trust that they know what they're talking about, and I have done my own research on both of these disorders to feel that I was correctly diagnosed, even back then.

While, I am sorry that this has happened to your child Tuda81, please try and consider other parents out there... and the fear you might have just instilled in them.  Them being afraid to take their child to see a Psychiatrist, when it could make a world's difference for them.  Because I don't know what I would have done if I WASN'T on ADHD medication as a child.  I've gone without them before, and the change is night and day.  It wasn't a simple, quick and easy fix though.  I had to go through a ton of meds, and still, every once in a while my prescription needs to be tweaked or changed.

The only advice I can give to parents who might read this... Don't be afraid to get a second opinion, or ask questions if you don't understand.
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985431 tn?1248842073
I don’t want to go out on a limb here but I think all cases are diverse. I have tried behavioral therapy, special dieting, family therapy, smaller classrooms, regimented scheduling etc. for two years before putting my child on medication. In the beginning it was scary and I felt helpless.

I tried everything possible to help her to thrive in social and educational settings. My daughter spent her entire kindergarten years coming up missing, roaming the halls and on the move. She spent her entire first grade year at a desk in the corner of the room. I worked with her teachers and the support staff at her school. Nothing worked!!! -Until she was put on medication. Fortunately for me I realized off the bat that the first medication she was on wasn’t working and tried a second (even though at this point I was still somewhat against it). It changed my daughter’s life!!!! She is an A student, enjoys school, has friends, and actually has empathy of others.

I didn’t want to believe that I couldn’t do that for her in someway but unfortunately she needs the medication. It has been just about three years and I wonder if she should be taken off it to see if her self control is more developed and she could do without. I’m sure after talking with her ped. I may someday try that but for right now I just am thankful for all the people who helped and guided me through it.

I understand that some parents have had a nightmare with this diagnose and the medications involved but also on the other note some have had the other side.
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982251 tn?1248781387
I will be short to the point she sounds exactly like my 8 yr . Your daughter is on too many med,  that doctor is crazy. After 3 years of try ing different doctors we finally found one at Childrens specalized  hospital and i think they have them all over she was put on tenex and she is like a new child calm, relaxed and she also has adhd and odd.I would ask your doctor about it, but you really have to get rid of him. She has been on concerta for 3 years and had so many tics and i could not take it any more so i found that new doctor and she was  wonderful. She now does not have any tics and she seems so happy. I f the doctor had any brains they would of taken her off stimulants. I hope I helped you alittle bit. If you would to talk more about please feel free to right bak. GOOD LUCK IT  CHANGED MY DAUGHTER AND A GOOD DOCTOR WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOUR SWEET GIRL.
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TEACHERS????? I won't even go in to my story of my grandaughter. Beautiful,,,,chanllenging because she's 3 or 4 times smarter than her parents....just won a district spelling bee bef school was out and not on drugs at the time.

Nurse mom and out of work stupid father whom it took 7 years to grad college with a so-called degree in Special Ed....he got fired from all his teaching jobs..

took this child to a doctor they KNEW and walked out with drugs.

HOWEVER..the person I'd like to choke is the low down TEACHER who just went along with this child's stupid parents. Trust me..I raised one of these idiots...she wasn't anything like she is now..having been married to a pathological liar amongst  other things.

THEY can't handle the child....so DRUGS! Thanks to this TEACHER..who didn't evaluate her except on a written test her parents wanted..then she just AGREED with them!!!  They wanted the test..no teacher has ever said this child needed something for concentration or anything else. I'm looking in to taking the teacher down but doctor put her on drugs so as a grandparent ...I have no say.

I've taken care of her since the day she was born....this isn't about her parents..I am serious..this child does not need drugs. What is going on in this world???? As a grandparent..who has always been her care taker..I was asked nothing.THAT"S because her parents knew I would tell the truth about their jobs..them..and how worthless the 2 of them are. I've got stories...and I'm not proud. My daughter was loved...taught better..and a host of other things...it shames me that she would sell this child out because she's too lazy to work with her. The child tested at Sophmore level comprehension....she is a wonderful..curious..loving child. Last year she had one mean teacher and that woman never even  considered testing her and if anyone would have..she would have.

It's a disgrace what schools get away with...what some parents are getting away with. It's a joke and don't let anyone tell you it isn't. Few and far between are the good ones.My son has a Masters in Social Work...councels troubled kids..can't believe they have put this child on these meds. Nothing I can do.I'm ready though to fight the fight for  a say in what happens..I'll do anything to save this child. They will just increase these drugs..I'm through with my daughter. I was close enough but what she has done to this child..I'll never forgive her for. I have to be around her so I can see the child and the other 2 kids they have...BTW..the youngest is spoiled and throws fits..no one mentions his getting on drugs....he's 4 and a half and STILL has a PACIFIER??? Anyone wanna argue that these are disgraceful parents????

Get the kid off and try alternatives. I begged for them to do that for my grandaughter to no avail....too much work I'm sure. Try it, doesn't work always..but try..then get to a GOOD doctor if you can find one. Our grandaughter was never even looked at by a psychologist or anyone. God save these poor kids.
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I see this is an old post,and just read this.

I have to agree that the teacher really push for the children to be seen by there doctors.And I have even had the teacher and school nurse want to talk to doctor about my son.

And yes after teacher calling and sending home notes about my son,I did cave in and his doctor did put him on medicine for add and adhd.first we tried adderall and teacher was always calling or writing notes to us that it was not working,and that we should talk to doctor and have medicine changed.So  then my son was put on Concerta.And school saw he was doing new things.Like sleepy ,staring ,and thou he now had seizures.
After tell his doctor about what the school teachers and nurse had said for a few months.He fainaly sent my son for an EEG and thou it would come back fine.

Well it didn't.My son was put on seizure medicine since 2006,and when I asked one of the doctor while he was in the hospital if he Concerta could have cause his seizures she said yes.H e was taken off of it right away.And when I re looked up Concerta and Adderall ,they both have the side effect of seizures.

The doctors have told me that once you have the side effects of some medicines ,all you can do is treat the new problem.In witch my son case the seizures wont just go away because you stop the concerta or adderall.But he will not ever go back on them again.And now still having seizures every  day and night.even with trying seizure medicine and now has a VNS in him as of June 24th this year and hoping this will make a  difference for him.And be able to take him off all the other drugs he is on for his seizures witch have bad side effects,but he has to be on them.

And the doctor now are thinking he has  lennox gastro syndrome  .witch there is no cure for.

so please help your children by not putting them on these drugs.
and have the doctors do there jobs and make sure they look at everything.Like there blood levels ,there brain.

I hope and pray people are still reading about what can happen and know that there are bad things that can come from drugs that they are giving there children,and learn from some of us you have had really bad things come from these drugs.
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535822 tn?1443976780
I echo what the above posts have said. Try a multiple  Vitamin with anti oxidents Vit B Complex, and Vit C also fish oil has helped many .experts have shown this to be as beneficial as Ritalin
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i always felt controled on my meds and oneday i got out of bed and refused to take them my doctor wasnt too keen on it but i told her that if she doesnt agree then she can get lost and i would go to another doctor but she agreed and now i have been meds free for 6 yrs and will never look back
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757137 tn?1347196453
ADD is a fad diagnosis. Doctors are handing out Ritalin and Adderoll like party favors. Beware, and look to the welfare of your children.
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189897 tn?1441126518
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ya, I think the key is "Parents under duress".  They turn to doctors for help, and the help they get is many times a short term fix, or none at all.  Other times it turns everybody's life around for the better.    The Nurtured Heart Approach is certainly worth trying.
  Frankly, I like to think that the teachers are tying to help the child.  Since they cannot prescribe or diagnose (at least in anyway that would be reflected in your statistics), I would tend to disagree with your first statement.
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973741 tn?1342342773
While I think ADD is highly over diagnosed, I think part of the increase in diagnosis is awareness.  
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757137 tn?1347196453
Right on! I hope everyone reads your comment.
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um, if you had a child with ADD ADHD and ODD you would not be posting about reading a book about parenting!  Ha!  We have an entire bookshelf of books about parenting and NONE OF IT works for an ADHD or ADD kid.  

Please, if you have not had the experience of raising one of these spirited kids, do not comment.

IF a parent chooses to go the drug route, it was probably a really tough decision for them!

Angi
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