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adult son w/ADHD

My son is 28.  He lives at home.  he was diagnosed with ADHD when he was young.  He is only 5' 3'' and acts like he doesn't have a problem.  He takes Concerta (and ritalin for the AM an PM.)  He is a chronic liar and will not take responsibility for anything. He is often verbally abusive when confronted with a lie or a problem.  I feel horrible about wanting him to move out because he seems to have many issues ( depression, anger, trouble sleeping at night with daytime drowsiness.)  Is there anything I can do to help when he won't even admit that he needs the meds.   Sometimes I think the meds make him more irritable. He doesn't take them as prescribed either.  This doesn't help. Often he is loveable and happy and we get along great.  I just never know when the hammer will fall. Would you kick him out? I feel that he would not survive on his own.
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189897 tn?1441126518
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   There is a third way and that is to get him help for his ADD.  Its at least part of the reason for what is going on.  Tough love will not help him with his ADD, but it might force him to get the help he needs.  
   If his parents are going to keep letting him stay rent free, then they should insist that he go to a good adult psychiatrist and get help.  Once he has done that, then he can get out into the work force or go to college or whatever.
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my 20 year old grandson joined the navy was thrown out when he told
them he has ADD - he lied on his application.  He got high marks on tests
in high school but never did any homework - summer school every summer.  He has not held a real job and has no real interest except xbox
and skate boarding.  He lives with parents who are at wits end. they give him chores to do while they are at work and he hardly ever does any of them.  Will tough love work for him or do we have to accept the fact that
with ADD this is the way it is,
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   Very good points Kate.  Thanks for posting!
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My Husband and daughter both suffer from extreme ADHD. It sound like your son really needs help. He should be seeing a doctor who provides counciling or therapy. I hope you have read some books on Adults with ADHD you should join a support group. Your son could really be suffering as you are. This is a horrible disease and affects everyone in the situation.
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We have a 26 yr old that was diagnosed with both ADD and ODD.  You think you have it bad!  We have never been able to keep him on meds.  As a middle schooler he would spit the pills out and hide them all over the place.  I was constantly getting calls from school about him.  Thought I would never quit crying over his behavior.  Now he is an adult who hasn't kept a steady job in his life.  He would love to be a professional snowboarder but lacks the focus, so partying is the next profession.  He returned from out of state this spring making all sorts of promises to us and not one promise was fulfilled.  My husband and I are exhausted and sad , so we booted him out.  He currently has no place to stay, bounces from friend to friend.  What do we do?  Yes there is more to the story:)
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How odd that you mention the Army.  My son planned on being a marine.  The Army offered him a better education package and he signed up.  The testing he took came back great and he could pick just about any field.  When he went for his physical, he told them he was currently on Ritalin SR.  If you took a stimulant after the age of twelve you were automatically disqualified.  This really messed up his plans and he ended up at community college.  His recruiter said he should not have told them about the meds (he should have lied). He was sure it would shown up in the drug screen anyway.  He is still bitter about this.
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The perfect solution...join the Army. I started down that path over 8 years ago, but like your son I had the "want" to do something special. With friends, lazyness, not being forced to do anything just try to imagine why you would want to. I convinced myself to give the national guard a try for the money, and the initial training is less than 6 months. In my head I thought I would come home in shape with a bunch of money and could continue my hand fed life.
Wrong I was. Once you are in, there is just no quiting or failing and you are forced to mature. I was given a new pride about myself, life, family, and country. It is an internal motivation that they install into you.
I have been in for over 8 years now, and I cannot even begin to explain how much it saved me from myself. All of my friends are still in the same place as they was back then. If you think it could be a good idea and want some knowladge on how to talk to him about it and what the military offers, I would be more than happy to share with you what I know. And No, I am not any kind of recruiter.
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I am very familiar with ADHD and OCD.  I work with mentally disturbed people everyday.  I have been to at least twenty seminars and know many doctors and psycologist.  My son has a very good neurologist and has had several years of counseling.  As i said, his doctor thinks he is doing wonderfully considering his severity of ADHD.  i happen to know how bright he is and how much better he could be doing.  Seeing the post did help, in the long run.  He has been to seven places to put in applications this week and Wegmans called him back for an interview for overnight stockperson.  Since my son is tired during the day and has insomnia at night, this might work out if he gets it.  Thanks for all your advice and insight.  Add definately runs in families!
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Glad to hear it! About the walking and not needing the assisted living that is... As allymarbles said, you may need more help with your son than just his ADHD. He's not looking at reality very well if he's willing to make things up like he did just to make you look bad. He's got some issues with dealing with truth and believe me, it's hard to live with when someone is like this.
Like I mentioned in my post, IF this was going on, then the authorities would have been called. The fact that they hadn't, left me to believe that he was making it all up.
The one thing that I did forget to mention is that usually ADHD runs in families. For example, my Mom was OCD about things, probably her way of dealing with her ADHD and my Dad is ADHD introverted. When both parents have it, usually the kids have 100% chance of being born with it as well. And all four of us have it to one degree or another. With one parent having ADHD, the stats go down by 50%.
With this said, ADHD is not just a one person thing. It's usually a family thing. Whether or not you are the person directly affected with the disorder, the rest of the family is affected.
For me I was the defiant extrovert and yes, the world did revolve around me and my moods. At least my families world that is. Both of my brothers were introverts like my Dad, but while my older brother would just give up and not try harder, my little brother was far too brilliant to care what others thought of him and so he succeed anyway. My younger sister, being born 11 years my junior, had my parents pretty much to her self growing up and I was there to guide her during her formative years. She is barely noticeable with her ADHD and is quite a success at what ever she chooses to do with her life. Although each of us deals with our disorder differently, we have all grown to learn life skills and non of us was ever put on medication as children. Heck, there wasn't even a diagnosis for us except I was lazy, my brother was a dreamer, my older brother chose to be a jock and my sister was just a socialite. That's the only categories there was for us back then.
So for your son and his inability to function, it's a cop out for him. He knows that there will always be a place to fall back to if he "fails" or gets bored with what he's doing.
Although our family is tight, we were all raised to be responsible for ourselves and each and every one of us got "kicked" out at 18. Although, we all still lived at home, but we had to pay rent and chip in for repairs etc. Which means we had to have a job, no matter what.
No free loaders were allowed in our home simply because it wasn't tolerated or acceptable behavior.
Tough love is not "kicking" them out on the streets. It's making your boundaries plain an simple so that if the chance came about where he could move out, he'd be able to because he's had practice.
Nothing in life is free and I don't believe in babying someone who is choosing to be the way he is being. I say this as an ADHD adult, not judging or condeming, but knowing that yes it takes work to make it in this world. But the way I look at it, there are plenty of people out there that are far worse off than I am and they are making it. I guess you could say I don't believe in excuses, but in intentions. If his intention is to grow up and be a man, then by jove, he's got to just do it! If not, then well he'll be living at home and you'll be taking care of him until you are both ready for an adult living care facility and he'll still be the way he is because he was never given any boundaries.
That's what tough love is in my book. Maybe I'm off base, but I've seen it work with all four of us and a few others that were friends of mine as well. Each one of us has a purpose and place in our society. And unless you are brain dead, then there is no reason on earth not to try and find out what that purpose is and live it to the fullest.
I'm currently working with kids because I'm just one big kid at heart. It's gotten me in trouble at jobs that require too much conformity as I am the jokester and love a good prank.
I also have problems with routine and get bored easily. So with a job that has it's flexibility its better for me.
On the other hand, my brother needs the routine. It makes him feel like he's getting things done and he never forgets where he's supposed to be from one day to the other. Believe me we've had some pretty funny discussions about how his life and my life are so totally opposite and yet we are both happy and well adjusted. I guess we were lucky that having a Mom who was ADHD with OCD that she instilled great boundaries and was terribly consistent.
I'm not going to tell you what to do, you already know what to do. I'm hopeful that I can give you some encouragement to stand your ground and that sometimes the baby bird needs a nudge to get out of the nest. And for some, the nest needs to be knocked down by the wind each year so that they have to learn to build one of their own.
I agree that maybe he needs to see some of the postings here. Not necessarily about him, but about others like me that have the same issues and problems. Maybe he'll see like I did that I'm not alone and that I can make it and not be burden upon others after all. I'm not a lost cause, I just needed cause to find that out.
Cheers and best of luck to you!
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Obviously my son got on this site and was extremely angry that "he" had been discussed. He left that deleted message making his dad out to be a doddering old fool who soils himself.  I supposedly beat him with a telephone book and sent his intestines south.  Also he doesn't work because he is home taking care of dad.  I am supposed to be thirteen years younger than my hubby and spending days at the bar.  I can't believe that you honestly gave any substance to his ramblings.  Even he believed it was too far out to be believed.  My husband and I are not elderly(not by my standards).  I am not thirteen years younger than my hubby.  Neither one of us smoke or drink.  We both work full-time.  Neither one of us has ever been physical(except in a good way).  We have a wonderful life together with many long walks and week-end get-aways.  You see how defensive my son is about his ADHD.  I would never have shown him this column on my own.  He found the computer left on this site.  He also will not admit having a problem keeping a job.  I think him seeing the posts did wake him up a little and hopefully it will affect his acceptance of his problems.  I just can't believe that anyone would have taken that seriously.  When I showed my husband the post about assisted living he died laughing.  We walk three miles a day and he does another two on the treadmill.  Not ready for the old folks home just yet.
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I wish someone with tell teachers that they are not doctors. They probably have more to do with the increase in ADD diagnoses than anyone. Then the parents, pressured by the school, take their problems to a doctor (usually someone not specialized in this sort of problem) and the compliant "doctor" prescribes drugs. We need guidelines for this sort of thing. I cannot imagine how many children's lives have been ruined by this questionable ethical behavior.

By the way, the school was after me about one of my daughters who was very mischievous (and hated school). I told them to go fly a kite. Fortunately I had some medical knowledge so could protect her. Most people do not and rely on "experts." My advice? Say no to gain time, and then gather all the information you can. Niney-nine times out of a 100 you will reject the drugs.
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I forgot to address the short stature issue. As I said in previous post, we did not medicate him when he was growing up due to a medical problem causing malabsorption.  He was not healthy and spent a good deal of his early years in and out of hospitals.  We were aware that Ritalin can stunt growth and were not willing to risk this. In order to reach the height he is presently at he took growth hormones and anabolic steroids.  Not an easy road. It was a high school teacher that suggested ADHD meds. His growth had stopped and the doctor agreed with treatment.  Wish we hadn't gone this route.
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Your son is only 5'3." Did you know that Ritalin and its ilk stunts the growth of children? Who knows what other problems the addiction causes. And yes, he is addicted. That may well be the primary source of his problems.
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Let me guess, he got on here and posted the last comment himself... As to whether what he said is true, that's between you and God. If indeed there is an issue with alcohol and a man who needs to be put in an assisted living situation, then maybe you need to take a look at what has made this situation like it is. I'm not judging, nor condemning as I don't live your life.
As far as your family loving him the way he is, then send him their way and be done with it. It sounds like he's making excuses to stay and if what he said was true, then why not call the officials for elder abuse? Like I said, not here to judge, that's God's job ultimately. But if you need to take stock in your situation, the mere fact that he broke into your account on the computer shows his lack of respect for you and your things. This will never change and I'm sure there are other areas that need some attention to as well in regards to him.
Set the bar, keep the bar and stick to your bar regardless of what family might say. If you need help in the home, then get it. If you need help to work this out, then by all means get it. If he can get his doctor to take care of the cost of the meds, then he's capable of figuring out how to get someone else to take care of him as well.
If you are elderly, you have enough problems to deal with than continuing to care for a peteous child who's old enough to have kids of his own.
Just my 2 cents, well one with inflation...
Nothing is perfect, nothing will change if you are not willing to accept either and work towards a goal to fix them.
Best of luck to you~
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I find a lot of truth in what you are saying.  Rather than fail at something, he gives up first.  He always says" I have never lost a job I really wanted. "  When he did SCA interns he was gone for 6 months at a time and loved his work.  It's the mundane jobs he hates.  He has tried alot of different fields looking for a good fit.  Physical labor suits him best, but due to a malabsorptive condition, he has small stature.  I would love to talk him into tapering off the Concerta but he loves his spurts of concentration and ability to stay up past 8:00pm.  I think this would get better with time.  I do not pay for his Concerta.  He goes through a program that Johnson and Johnson has for people with no insurance.  His Dr. does the paperwork and he gets it free with a card they send him.  I thought when he turned 26, he would seek natural alternatives due to cost but his doctor took care of that.  He has taken Concerta since he was in college.  Because of growth problems we would not allow it when he was younger.  I am afraid he would find a way to self medicate, anyway.  I wish I could do the tough love thing but my family would never forgive me.  They all adore him the way he is.  He has begged for a cat.  I agreed that when he had a job for 6 months and was able to support it, I would allow it. Also he has to clean his room on a daily basis.( as he would a litter box.)  Never happened.  His doctor acts like he is doing wonderfully. I give up.
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Personally, I prefer to be off meds and eat better. I've found that by taking a liquid multi vitamin, eggs with cheese, avocados and spinach help me get focused in the morning. As long as I eat lunch I do ok but if not then I just don't make it through the day anymore. I have a bad habit of not eating because I forget... I know sounds like a good habit at times, but not when your blood sugar and brain get all out of wack without the proper nutrients.
Junk food and gluten products seem to make me worse. Sugar of course is an enemy of mine but I have to give in once in awhile with honey or chocolate. I use stevia to sweeten tea or coffee. I've never been a big coffee drinker, but used to have soda's instead. Now I'm not doing either on a regular basis.
Also, it sounds like he's got no direction, and no consequences for him to be responsble for. Has he ever had a dog or a cat where he was the sole provider for? I say those two animals simply because they interact with us as humans and demand attention from us. They are in their own way ADHD as well. Dependant and lovable but annoying at times... hee hee.. atempt at humor here...
What is he interested in? I think it would be good for him to get involved with something that forces him to have boundaries and structure. If he like the forestry thing, let him go for it... I bet he'd be good at working with troubled teens as well. He's probably pretty intuitive and sensitive although he won't show it out of fear.
He messes up at work because he's afraid of failing and so he messes up on purpose so that he's in control of when he does as he figures it will happen anyway, as it always has, simply because he's self sabotaging himself.
At 28 he's not going to take on any responsibility if he isn't forced to. It's called tough love and it's called co-dependancy as well.
I know that by my experiences within the last few years, I don't do well on medications of any sort. Most of them act totally different on me than they should so the results are totally unknown and unpredictable. Not at all the way I want to live my life.
Also if he doesn't have a job, how can he afford meds? Hmmm...
Hope my experiences help you out some... It's nice to have family that care enough, but you also have to shove the guy out of the nest so he'll know that his wings indeed do work and he can fly on his own...
Cheers, Tamra
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He is on speed. That would make him irritable. Try taking him off it - slowly.
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It's been awhile since I posted.  Still in same boat.  I love my son with all my heart but I just can't get him to admit that there is a problem.  He works sporadically and has difficulty paying his own bills let alone pitching in around the house.  My husband wants to retire soon and we will have a tough time if he remains irresponsible.  Concerta, when taken properly is a good drug, but not many adults can do that.  It's hard to feel sleepy when you need to be motivated and know there's a pill in your pocket.  My son always figures he'll just skip his meds on the week-end and catch back up.  Something always comes up and he ends up short at the end of the month.  I love his sense of humor off the  meds.  He is easy going but unable to stay on task.  On his meds he is irritable, defensive and hard to get along with.  Where's the happy medium?????
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it could be his medicine that is making him this way,if he was not like this before being on them.

I myself don't like concerta ,my son was on it and he started the being sleepy durning the day and couldn't sleep well at night.and he would twitch in his sleep .also he would just stare and act like he couldn't hear you.

we come to find out months latter he was having seizures .and I took him off the concerta.before that he was on adderall. and one of the side affect to concerta is seziures.
and this was back in 2006 and now he is still having seziures and the medicines are not working.they have also told me my son my be bi-polar.witch I am not going to treat him for because the medicine could make the seizures worse.

good luck with everything.

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He is 28 and living at home, pays no rent and has no responsibility. Why would he want to move out when he has it made? You need to come down on him, and make him take responsibility for his own life, as this is the only thing which will make him think twice about his actions and think more clear when deciding to do things. Obvisouly he has no motivation to get out the door and actually make something of his life, and needs this to complete his growth. I can understand if he left, and came home after difficulties or to regroup, but if he never left then I would be skeptical as to his true intentions. If he is going to live thier he needs to help out, chip in with bills and be responsbile around the house. You need to tell him you love and will support him however you can, but that he needs to leave and start his own life because you wont be around forever. I am 26 and I left home at 18 and live halfway across the US from my parents. This forced me to grow up and get real to the facts of life, and I could not have been or felt better. Once he moves out, you will also devlop a new more special relationship that you do not have now.
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My son gets jobs, but doesn't keep them.  He always starts out gung-ho and then screws up.  He often gets sleepy when his meds are wearing off, so he takes more.  This leaves him short at the end of the month and he crashes for a week.  Not good for keeping jobs.  He finished high school with a lot of help on our part.  He went to community college and flunked out. His organizational skills are horrible.  He hates doing anything that is not interesting to him.  If it's not fun, he really has a hard time paying attention.  His IQ is fine. He is extremely immature and is very unrealistic.  He has volunteered a couple of times for the SCA as he is interested in the environment.  He was gone for six months on one internship, but housing etc. was provided.  I want him to live a normal happy life.  It seems like we are destined to have him here forever.
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Does he have a job? Did he go to college? did he finish high school?  You should also post this question in the expert forum "relationship decisions".  The doctor in that forum is very helpful. You will need to provide more information about your son's ability to work and the type of activities that he does on a day to day.  Does he cook, wash laundry and such?  Until you use tuff love, get him counseling and let him live on his own for a while, you will not know if he can live on his own.  You probably need a third party involved such an ADHD coach or psycholigist to help you evaluate the situation.  If he has a steady job, he should be on his own.  He also should be adult enough at 28 to manage and take responsibility for his meds.  Good luck and God bless you.  Try the Relationship Decision Forum.
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