NautyOne

[Mangee]

What you are seeing over there are a few people actually fighting with themselves rather than others. As we ourselves are wont to do and have at some time or another done, we become so angry with ourselves for our failures that we ramble on and inadvertantly make remarks we ordinarily would not make. After a day or two when we realize what we have said or done that has hurt others, we feel a sense of remorse and shame. For some it is not easy to apologize and any negative remark towards them can push them back into a funk where they lash out at all and sundry. It is tough for us to accept but if we think about it there were times when we too have gone that route. I think at times like this we should give them a little room to return to the fold and also give them a chance to apologize if they wish. We all know the suffering that attempts at withdrawal can cause and we all know how we reacted to any kind of putdown. It takes a strong person to forgive and forget. Ask yourselves if you are that person. Use your hands to lift up, not to push further down.

[lonewolf07]

An Elder once told me that we have to be strong to be weak.  It's a pathetic society that sees compassion, caring, forgiveness, humility, etc. as weaknesses.  Anybody can be "tough" behind a computer.  My two cents again (I'll be broke soon) it takes a lot of strength to say, "I don't know" or "I apologize" when saying such things "should" be a part of being human.

We are all vulnerable at times and speaking for myself only, there are people I would trust to see that vulnerability and people I would never trust.  If I've learned anything on MH, I've learned that.

MJ - that is SO true.  Dogs know if we hurt them by accident.  Then they make us pay by demanding treats  lol

[MJIthewriter]

I've heard that statement on one of my computer games to end with "...to forgive is canine" =P

[NautyOne]

Mangee, there is no doubt that you are an intelligent and insightful person.  I totally agree with what you are saying, but to put it in lay-mens terms:

I have been watching the evolution of this forum and I think the issue of suboxone has simply just come to a head.  Anger has been manifesting in the cold turkey members for a while.  More and more posts have been coming in lately from people asking questions about how to manipulate suboxone to fit their using ways.  I think the cold turkeys finally snapped against the subs.  I have always seen the cold turkeys try to be as helpful as they could with the subs. until these posts started coming in.  I don't know a lot about sub, so I usually kept quiet about it....for the most part.  And, yes, I did get angry at those posters myself.  I believe there is some kind o resentment from the cold turkeys against the subs, but we have to accept them because Suboxone is now becoming a Huge Subject.

Mangee, I remember you very well.  You were one of the first posters out here when I came out here last August.  Suboxone was a topic of discussion, but , now it is a full-blown reality.  I think there will always be resentment from the cold turks, and the Subs, but we are all trying to learn to live together out here, because it's obvious we have no choice.  The sub Revolution is here, and it's not slowing down.

We will all do fine, and learn to live together.......:-)))~~~

Luv,
Nauty.........

[Mangee]

In a lot of cases we are embarrassed by our humanity. We take it that people look at us and consider us weak if we hold out a helping hand or show a sympathetic emotion at the plight of others. Many have turned away, not from unkindness, but from the glaring rebuke of others. To many, and this is becoming more and more frequent, we are afraid to show any weakness in applying forgiveness or forgetfulness because, according to the hard hearted, it is just not the modern way of doing.

[lonewolf07]

Isn't there a saying - to err is human, to forgive divine?  Forgetting is more difficult than forgiving and forgiving ourselves is the most difficult of all. That's just my two cents worth of opinion  = P