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Georgia Governor To Sign Controversial Gun Bill Wednesday
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At noon Wednesday, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal is scheduled to sign the sweeping legislation into law. One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don't have security checkpoints.
The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to "opt-in" if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)
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Frank Rotondo, the executive director of the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, has blasted the law. "Police officers do not want more people carrying guns on the street,” said Rotondo, “particularly police officers in inner city areas."....................."
At noon Wednesday, Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal is scheduled to sign the sweeping legislation into law. One of the most permissive state gun laws in the nation, it will allow licensed owners to carry firearms into more public places than at any time in the past century, including bars and government buildings that don't have security checkpoints.
The law also authorizes school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. It allows churches to "opt-in" if they want to allow weapons. Bars could already “opt-in” to allow weapons, but under the new law they must opt out if they want to bar weapons. Permit-holders who accidentally bring a gun to an airport security checkpoint will now be allowed to pick up their weapon and leave with no criminal penalty. (At Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, a record 111 guns were found at TSA screening areas last year.)
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Frank Rotondo, the executive director of the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, has blasted the law. "Police officers do not want more people carrying guns on the street,” said Rotondo, “particularly police officers in inner city areas."....................."
Fact of the matter is, nothing happened... no laws were broken. These people did the right thing by calling the law. It was investigated and NOTHING happened. You're a special sort being afraid of NOTHING happening. Genius...
And a genius like you would bring up "what if he had a gun in a nursery"? He didn't, and you're worried about that. Stick to what happened and what didn't happen. Those are facts and you've claimed time and time again that facts are what interests you. Weren't you recently complaining about people not researching things?
Man... plug your night light in and worry about all of the things that didn't happen. Respectfully, it's probably time you see someone for this. You're getting worse rather than better.
And a genius like you would bring up "what if he had a gun in a nursery"? He didn't, and you're worried about that. Stick to what happened and what didn't happen. Those are facts and you've claimed time and time again that facts are what interests you. Weren't you recently complaining about people not researching things?
Man... plug your night light in and worry about all of the things that didn't happen. Respectfully, it's probably time you see someone for this. You're getting worse rather than better.
If the guy had no gun none of the parents would have been upset enough to call 911 and no one would have been injured. It would have been a regular Little League game. I bet he ruined those parents' day by parading around with a firearm in clear view. And why did he feel the need to do that? Because he is an idiot - a full blown idiot. You probably would get along just fine with him. You could measure your guns together and maybe clean them up real shiny like. I don't get this preoccupation with carrying guns. I have guns at home. I live in the country for self protection. If you feel the need to carry a firearm then do it discretely but don't go out showing the world that you're packing heat. That's just way too stupid to talk about any longer. You like it and I don't and I really don't think most people would like that stuff at a Little League baseball game. Like I said maybe the next place will be a hospital nursery and you'll defend that too - and hopefully again, no one will be injured.
Thankfully we are worlds apart. You continue to prove that and I feel better about that by the day. You clarify this by saying you weren't there, you have no idea what happened but then go on to say it was irresponsible. If I were to say the very same thing you just did, you'd have a hay day with it.
Here's what I will say about the responsibility aspect of this. The guy had a gun and nobody got injured. The outcome would have been exactly the same if the same guy had no gun. I find that pretty responsible. He didn't leave the gun where some kid could have grabbed it... that's responsible. He didn't point it at anyone and didn't make intimidating gestures.... that's responsible.
Its just the gun, isn't it?
Here's what I will say about the responsibility aspect of this. The guy had a gun and nobody got injured. The outcome would have been exactly the same if the same guy had no gun. I find that pretty responsible. He didn't leave the gun where some kid could have grabbed it... that's responsible. He didn't point it at anyone and didn't make intimidating gestures.... that's responsible.
Its just the gun, isn't it?
Well, I wasn't there Brice so I couldn't tell you. It did appear to frighten the parents and children - there were 22 - 911 calls.
You like guns and I believe you define yourself partly in the context of guns. Not everyone feels quite as comfortable with them as you seem to and really, why should they? They are after all weapons and they really don't belong at a children's' sporting event. I think this guy is an asocial idiot and I wouldn't feel comfortable around anyone like that - anyone who feels compelled to openly carry a firearm to a Little League game. If you consider that responsible gun ownership then once again, we're worlds apart.
You like guns and I believe you define yourself partly in the context of guns. Not everyone feels quite as comfortable with them as you seem to and really, why should they? They are after all weapons and they really don't belong at a children's' sporting event. I think this guy is an asocial idiot and I wouldn't feel comfortable around anyone like that - anyone who feels compelled to openly carry a firearm to a Little League game. If you consider that responsible gun ownership then once again, we're worlds apart.
Okay, went to the link and watched the clip. I can't judge the guy on his behavior because I was not there to witness what it was that was so intimidating or menacing.
"....they found that he had a permit for the handgun. Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park." He made no verbal threats or gestures.... I don't get what is so scarey about that.
"....they found that he had a permit for the handgun. Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park." He made no verbal threats or gestures.... I don't get what is so scarey about that.
It's just insane behavior.....and dangerous and obnoxious and very scary.
What's next - carrying while in the nursery of a hospital?
There could be a tough little hombre in there packing heat and just waiting for just the right opportunity.
I guess we have to be prepared.............................
What's next - carrying while in the nursery of a hospital?
There could be a tough little hombre in there packing heat and just waiting for just the right opportunity.
I guess we have to be prepared.............................
Now take that same situation, put it florida, and apply the stand your ground law to it?
What would have happened if one or more of those parents had been carrying as well.
Parents were scared of imminent harm to themselves or their children to the point of hunkering down, they did not have a duty to retreat.
Now you got a real bad situation!!!! I say this is not out of the realm of reasonable thinking. And this is what I was talking about when I said extreme is where we are.
So its legal now for the guy to not only carry in a park around children, but its legal for him to act in an intimidating way and get away with it? What is wrong with that picture?
What would have happened if one or more of those parents had been carrying as well.
Parents were scared of imminent harm to themselves or their children to the point of hunkering down, they did not have a duty to retreat.
Now you got a real bad situation!!!! I say this is not out of the realm of reasonable thinking. And this is what I was talking about when I said extreme is where we are.
So its legal now for the guy to not only carry in a park around children, but its legal for him to act in an intimidating way and get away with it? What is wrong with that picture?
{...She said, “He scared people to the point where we stopped the game, took the kids out of the dugout and behind the dugout, and kind of hunkered down.”
“It got to the point where we took the kids and brought them into the dugout and the parents lined up in front of the dugout,” she said.
911 received 22 calls about the man. When Forysth County deputies questioned the man, they found that he had a permit for the handgun. Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park.
Another parent asked, “Why would anyone be walking around a public park, with a lot of children and parents and people here playing baseball, and he’s walking around with a gun? I don’t think the parents would have been nervous had he just had the gun in his holster and was just watching the game.”
The Forsyth County sheriff said while the man was within his rights to carry the gun, his conduct was inappropriate.
“We support the constitutional right to bear arms. We will not tolerate bad behavior,” said Forsyth Sheriff Duane Piper....}
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Carla Akins Mod uzza • 21 hours ago
I have no personal, first hand experience, but I'm willing to bet a years salary that had it been a black man carrying a gun around a city park with that attitude - he would have been seen as combative and a threat and eventually shot by the responding officers in "self-defense" .
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Reef Dancer • a day ago
This is what happens when you stay home during elections and let the crazies take over your statehouse and governorship.
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Nomad • a day ago
"Mommy, did that man want to kill me?"
The correct answer is "No, dear. Probably not you in particular. Any defenseless child would do."
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Robert Spiess • a day ago
If this kind of immature behavior is an example of responsible gun ownership Georgia is lost..
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/04/27/georgia-man-flaunts-gun-at-little-league-game-frightening-parents-and-children/
“It got to the point where we took the kids and brought them into the dugout and the parents lined up in front of the dugout,” she said.
911 received 22 calls about the man. When Forysth County deputies questioned the man, they found that he had a permit for the handgun. Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park.
Another parent asked, “Why would anyone be walking around a public park, with a lot of children and parents and people here playing baseball, and he’s walking around with a gun? I don’t think the parents would have been nervous had he just had the gun in his holster and was just watching the game.”
The Forsyth County sheriff said while the man was within his rights to carry the gun, his conduct was inappropriate.
“We support the constitutional right to bear arms. We will not tolerate bad behavior,” said Forsyth Sheriff Duane Piper....}
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Carla Akins Mod uzza • 21 hours ago
I have no personal, first hand experience, but I'm willing to bet a years salary that had it been a black man carrying a gun around a city park with that attitude - he would have been seen as combative and a threat and eventually shot by the responding officers in "self-defense" .
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Reef Dancer • a day ago
This is what happens when you stay home during elections and let the crazies take over your statehouse and governorship.
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Nomad • a day ago
"Mommy, did that man want to kill me?"
The correct answer is "No, dear. Probably not you in particular. Any defenseless child would do."
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Robert Spiess • a day ago
If this kind of immature behavior is an example of responsible gun ownership Georgia is lost..
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/04/27/georgia-man-flaunts-gun-at-little-league-game-frightening-parents-and-children/
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/04/27/georgia-man-flaunts-gun-at-little-league-game-frightening-parents-and-children/
This is the kind of crap that we will contend with more and more, and frankly I think its ridiculous.
This is the kind of crap that we will contend with more and more, and frankly I think its ridiculous.
I'm not too sure what overkill is regarding this story. The government does "vile" things to people all of the time, and the majority of it has nothing to do with guns nor can resolution to these things be found with a gun.
I don't like motorcycles. I find them horribly unsafe and I wouldn't trust myself on one and I certainly don't trust other people on the road to avoid me at all times either. What I've found to be effective in my stance on motorcycles is, I don't own one.
For those who feel differently about motorcycles? Ride on and ride safe. Motorcycles for me? No dice.
I don't like motorcycles. I find them horribly unsafe and I wouldn't trust myself on one and I certainly don't trust other people on the road to avoid me at all times either. What I've found to be effective in my stance on motorcycles is, I don't own one.
For those who feel differently about motorcycles? Ride on and ride safe. Motorcycles for me? No dice.
still not understanding why the overkill is necessary. And if the government wanted to do something vile to ya? guns are waaay outdated.
It seems to me that this legislation wouldn't infringe upon anyone's rights. It would provide you with the very same rights it provides for others. (The right to carry.)
I thought so too, and so true!
That is amusing.
I saw a post today somewhere that said:
Politics is like driving.
To go forward put it in D.
To go backward put it in R.
Politics is like driving.
To go forward put it in D.
To go backward put it in R.
"...So in order for some to have rights, others must lose them?..."
I thought that's what Democrats were all about.
The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?
When Obamacare was put into place, I lost some of MY rights. Oh sure, 50% of the country wanted it (the Dem half), but please remember that there another side to that coin, and there's 50% of the country that DIDN'T want it, and that 1/2 would argue that we lost rights & freedom's because of it.
Be careful where you tread on this issue. Wouldn't want to have a double-standard or anything.
Oh wait, but you're not a Democrat, I keep forgetting.
You're an Independent.
Sorry.
I thought that's what Democrats were all about.
The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?
When Obamacare was put into place, I lost some of MY rights. Oh sure, 50% of the country wanted it (the Dem half), but please remember that there another side to that coin, and there's 50% of the country that DIDN'T want it, and that 1/2 would argue that we lost rights & freedom's because of it.
Be careful where you tread on this issue. Wouldn't want to have a double-standard or anything.
Oh wait, but you're not a Democrat, I keep forgetting.
You're an Independent.
Sorry.
"So in order for some to have rights, others must lose them?"-This statement is very deep and could be debated for days on this forum. I will say it is one of the most thought provoking statements made in this forum.
Everything has gone to the extremes. I hear the police cannot even ask for someone to show a permit now. That really makes alot of sense! They can carry in churches, government buildings and bars (unless the owner throws em out).
I also wonder how this will affect the infamous "stand your ground law" here in florida.
And as far as how many of those in drive bys had a permit? Who knows! They never get caught! So you assume they dont? To me, it doesnt matter if someone has a permit or not, I dont like the damn guns around me, period!
So in order for some to have rights, others must lose them?
I also wonder how this will affect the infamous "stand your ground law" here in florida.
And as far as how many of those in drive bys had a permit? Who knows! They never get caught! So you assume they dont? To me, it doesnt matter if someone has a permit or not, I dont like the damn guns around me, period!
So in order for some to have rights, others must lose them?
Until Criminals start using Water Balloons or Feathers, I’ll stick with my Glock.
Guns are a tool like any other and should be used for that purpose only, not to boost someone's ego and worse yet, for the fearful to stand behind, thinking they are protected because they have a weapon that kills and maims.
This is simply a very bad idea.
This is simply a very bad idea.
I don’t see the connection between Legal, Registered/Permit Holding, Gun owners with Thugs doing Drivebys.
I don’t know what the Laws are for “Opting Out” is in Georgia is but here, a simple “No Guns Allowed” sign is sufficient.
I am actually surprised that Atlanta Airport only had 111 Guns confiscated. Anyone that has been to that airport should agree. It is ranked the Worlds Busiest Airport. The best way I can describe it is kicking an ant’s nest. Even though it is not a valid excuse, we do not know how many of the 111 guns confiscated at screening were from Private Security, Law Enforcement, or Hunters.
I don’t know what the Laws are for “Opting Out” is in Georgia is but here, a simple “No Guns Allowed” sign is sufficient.
I am actually surprised that Atlanta Airport only had 111 Guns confiscated. Anyone that has been to that airport should agree. It is ranked the Worlds Busiest Airport. The best way I can describe it is kicking an ant’s nest. Even though it is not a valid excuse, we do not know how many of the 111 guns confiscated at screening were from Private Security, Law Enforcement, or Hunters.
Yes they were legal guns of his mother, not his. Again criminal element of non legal guns. Once as he took possession it became a crime.
My father owns a gun, if I took it and started shooting people, would this be a legal gun or illegal? Illegal because I do not have the right to possess it.
So you do not hear legal gun owners in the news for gun crimes.
My father owns a gun, if I took it and started shooting people, would this be a legal gun or illegal? Illegal because I do not have the right to possess it.
So you do not hear legal gun owners in the news for gun crimes.
Out of those 111 people in Atlanta, how many of them went on a shooting rampage?
@teko.... I understand what you are saying and I appreciate it, but I'd venture a guess that there are more people carrying around you than you realize. When I carry concealed, nobody knows. The difference between me and some a-hole with bad intentions is, I have no bad intentions and have had considerable training.
@specialmom... I appreciate your stand on the issue as well. I'm not too sure how I feel about it. I guess we'll see what happens. I do have a sneaky suspicion that some of the people who will be using this new law to their advantage have been carrying all along.
In this state, we have no concealed weapons restrictions because of a law passed in the last couple of years. We've had "open carry" laws for a long time, and we have a low gun crime rate. Pertaining to the concealed weapons issue, two kinds of people used to carry concealed here in Wyoming. Those with bad intentions and those with no intention other than to be able to protect themselves.
@teko.... I understand what you are saying and I appreciate it, but I'd venture a guess that there are more people carrying around you than you realize. When I carry concealed, nobody knows. The difference between me and some a-hole with bad intentions is, I have no bad intentions and have had considerable training.
@specialmom... I appreciate your stand on the issue as well. I'm not too sure how I feel about it. I guess we'll see what happens. I do have a sneaky suspicion that some of the people who will be using this new law to their advantage have been carrying all along.
In this state, we have no concealed weapons restrictions because of a law passed in the last couple of years. We've had "open carry" laws for a long time, and we have a low gun crime rate. Pertaining to the concealed weapons issue, two kinds of people used to carry concealed here in Wyoming. Those with bad intentions and those with no intention other than to be able to protect themselves.
This seems like a VERY bad idea to me. I'm not for this at all.
Vance, yes. You hear stories of legal gun owners doing bad things with their guns. The Newtown shooter used the legal guns of his mother.
I am for stricter gun laws.
Vance, yes. You hear stories of legal gun owners doing bad things with their guns. The Newtown shooter used the legal guns of his mother.
I am for stricter gun laws.
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