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Guns Banned?
I cannot imagine how Griz would have dispatched the 2 pigs he slaughtered the other day...with a knife?Much suffering it would bring the poor critter.
Many times we hace had to use different calibers of guns for different things throughout the years.Animals that stalked my little girl and killed my dog and 30 plus chickens.Living where we do we have them for self-protection,(the law takes forever to get here).We have also had to end the suffering of an animal a time or 2,without something what would we do?Hit it in the head with a rock and hope we killed it?
The saying say "Outlaw guns and then only criminals will have guns".Stricter application for permits required safety classes locked cabinets when children are residing there.Wait a Minute! Why weren't her Guns in a locked cabinet?she failed her son greatly and indirectly caused the life of the children to be lost.She is guilty also,she had to have known better.If my child had a problem I would know and seek help.
Many times we hace had to use different calibers of guns for different things throughout the years.Animals that stalked my little girl and killed my dog and 30 plus chickens.Living where we do we have them for self-protection,(the law takes forever to get here).We have also had to end the suffering of an animal a time or 2,without something what would we do?Hit it in the head with a rock and hope we killed it?
The saying say "Outlaw guns and then only criminals will have guns".Stricter application for permits required safety classes locked cabinets when children are residing there.Wait a Minute! Why weren't her Guns in a locked cabinet?she failed her son greatly and indirectly caused the life of the children to be lost.She is guilty also,she had to have known better.If my child had a problem I would know and seek help.
You do know your stuff Brice.
I want to thank you again for contributing so much to the learning process about this issue.
I am going to let it all simmer a bit before I comment further.
I want to thank you again for contributing so much to the learning process about this issue.
I am going to let it all simmer a bit before I comment further.
So... there you go with the facts on guns.
"What if that majority goes in the direction of banning semi automatic and automatic weapons?" It will make a criminal out of a million law abiding citizens.
I don't even have a speeding ticket on my record. But by me owning a semi automatic .22, I will be labeled a criminal.... a felon, no doubt and so will hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens. I think that's wrong.
My guns are no concern to you. In fact, you wouldn't know I had a gun (guns) if I didn't tell you I did. I've got nothing to hide about my guns because I am a law abiding citizen. I enjoy recreational shooting. I've competed in shooting events, and I enjoy that. My grand parents shot guns. My dad shot guns and started me out on gun safety. My kids both shoot on occasion.... nobody in my family has committed a crime with a gun. Nobody has killed anybody. Hell, nobody has shot at anybody.
To me, that is part of gun ownership. That's how I was taught. The most important thing about gun ownership is being a responsible gun owner. I am that guy... so was my father before me, grand parents before him and my kids after me.
With the responsibility of owning guns comes the responsibility of safety. That responsibility is transferable and every gun owner should be held accountable for the highest level of gun safety. When I am around others shooting, I am not afraid to tell someone that they are not acting responsible and am not afraid to ask them to move away or check what they are doing. At the gun range, often I am surrounded by 20 other shooters.... all with those mean and nasty semi-automtic guns and nobody ever seems to get hurt. In an afternoon of shooting, I may go through 500 rounds by myself. So will the others around me. Thousands of rounds will be sent down range, and nobody ever manages to get hurt.
There are rules at the range. If you are unsafe or exhibit a lack of safety, you are sent packing. In 40 years of recreational shooting, I've seen 2 accidental discharges. Because of the safety guards put in place and exhibited by the people holding the guns, nobody got hurt. One accidental discharge was because of a faulty firing pin that was frozen out when a gentleman tried to load a round into the chamber. It happened 3 feet from me.... because I knew where I was and was nowhere near the barrel, and because that barrel was pointed down range.... nobody got hurt. A nice shotgun was destroyed, but no injuries. The other accidental discharge came from a person hopping out of a car with a loaded hunting rifle. (Gun should not have been loaded, gun should have been on safety.) The safeguard that was in place is that the barrel was pointed down, away from anyone. The gun discharged when the person hopped out of the vehicle. No injuries.... more importantly, no death.
The more you handle a gun, the better a chance that there may be an accident, same as the more you drive the better a chance that you will be in an auto accident. Safety knows no holidays and because of the safety that I was taught, my friends were taught, my parents were taught and my children were taught, I've never seen anyone get injured with a gun.... Were talking a 40 year span of my life. In 40 years, nobody I know has injured another person. (I do know a gun smith who accidentally shot himself in the hand while working on a malfunctioning gun. The guy was back to work after a trip to the emergency room, and he got injured so his client would not... yet another safe guard.)
So with all of that being said, you are willing to make a criminal of me and my friends and thousands upon thousands of other people I do not know, simply because we own a semi automatic gun or two?
I respect anyone who does not want to be around guns or is against gun ownership. It is a lot like parachuting.... it isn't for everyone. I've been in gun classes with people who have never been around a gun, never even seen a gun before. In one particular class, we had 3 people who were "anti-gun" people but were open minded enough to better educate themselves on guns. They took a week long shooting course to get their education. (All 3 were women, by the way.) At the end of the course, 2 of the 3 had changed their opinions on guns entirely. In fact, 1 is a competitive shooter these days and the other is a semi automatic gun owner who frequents our shooting range with her husband (who was also "anti-gun"). The lady who remained anti gun left with an education on all things guns. She even admitted to having fun at the range shooting all of the different guns, but said that gun ownership was not for her.
This woman is confident. She now knows how to check every gun to make sure its safe and is confident that she can handle that. This woman now understands that a gun can't kill anyone, but a person with intent or a person who commits an accident can surely kill somebody.
Any of you who may own a gun are of no concern to me. I don't care what kind of gun you have. I rest assured that you won't be "gunning" for me anytime soon. I rest assured because you probably came from the same gun handling school I did. Maybe you learned from your dad. Maybe you've taken a course (or 20). We as gun owners aren't gunning for anybody. That's what separates us from the criminals.... we aren't out to harm anyone. It goes against our nature. We are not the people who are out committing crimes.
More people die a year from accidents than die from homicide by gun. In fact, accidental death by guns is #7 on the list of accidental deaths. More people suffocate a year than die by accidental shooting.
Homicide is ranked #15 cause of death in this country according to the CDC. (I can't remember the model year but) 16,799 homicides were recorded in the model year and 11,493 of those were caused by guns in general. I wonder how many of those homicides were punk gang bangers shooting each other? That's besides the point.
According to stats gathered by the CDC 42% of all households have a gun. In the model year above, guns were used by civilians 989,883 times to stop crimes against them or someone they know.... almost 1,000,000 times!!!!! That's what, roughly 8 times as many homicides a year and almost 9 times as many homicides by guns a year. 9 times as many crimes stopped from guns than committed by guns in just this one model....
So now there is a rush to make criminals out of law abiding citizens. I'm never going to understand that. 2.5 times as many people die in car crashes as there are all of homicides a year, let alone homicide by gun.
I know you're minds are probably made up. I do think all of you are smart enough to just look at the stats and let them speak for themselves. There are 14 other causes of death a year that take a higher toll than homicide (not even counting homicide by gun) and there are 7 other things that cause more accidental deaths a year than guns. Suffocation, burns, drowning, poisoning, falling, and car crashes are all in front of guns in the accident department.... drowning, more than guns.... How many Americans swim a year, and you aren't willing to take that away?
I don't even have a speeding ticket on my record. But by me owning a semi automatic .22, I will be labeled a criminal.... a felon, no doubt and so will hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens. I think that's wrong.
My guns are no concern to you. In fact, you wouldn't know I had a gun (guns) if I didn't tell you I did. I've got nothing to hide about my guns because I am a law abiding citizen. I enjoy recreational shooting. I've competed in shooting events, and I enjoy that. My grand parents shot guns. My dad shot guns and started me out on gun safety. My kids both shoot on occasion.... nobody in my family has committed a crime with a gun. Nobody has killed anybody. Hell, nobody has shot at anybody.
To me, that is part of gun ownership. That's how I was taught. The most important thing about gun ownership is being a responsible gun owner. I am that guy... so was my father before me, grand parents before him and my kids after me.
With the responsibility of owning guns comes the responsibility of safety. That responsibility is transferable and every gun owner should be held accountable for the highest level of gun safety. When I am around others shooting, I am not afraid to tell someone that they are not acting responsible and am not afraid to ask them to move away or check what they are doing. At the gun range, often I am surrounded by 20 other shooters.... all with those mean and nasty semi-automtic guns and nobody ever seems to get hurt. In an afternoon of shooting, I may go through 500 rounds by myself. So will the others around me. Thousands of rounds will be sent down range, and nobody ever manages to get hurt.
There are rules at the range. If you are unsafe or exhibit a lack of safety, you are sent packing. In 40 years of recreational shooting, I've seen 2 accidental discharges. Because of the safety guards put in place and exhibited by the people holding the guns, nobody got hurt. One accidental discharge was because of a faulty firing pin that was frozen out when a gentleman tried to load a round into the chamber. It happened 3 feet from me.... because I knew where I was and was nowhere near the barrel, and because that barrel was pointed down range.... nobody got hurt. A nice shotgun was destroyed, but no injuries. The other accidental discharge came from a person hopping out of a car with a loaded hunting rifle. (Gun should not have been loaded, gun should have been on safety.) The safeguard that was in place is that the barrel was pointed down, away from anyone. The gun discharged when the person hopped out of the vehicle. No injuries.... more importantly, no death.
The more you handle a gun, the better a chance that there may be an accident, same as the more you drive the better a chance that you will be in an auto accident. Safety knows no holidays and because of the safety that I was taught, my friends were taught, my parents were taught and my children were taught, I've never seen anyone get injured with a gun.... Were talking a 40 year span of my life. In 40 years, nobody I know has injured another person. (I do know a gun smith who accidentally shot himself in the hand while working on a malfunctioning gun. The guy was back to work after a trip to the emergency room, and he got injured so his client would not... yet another safe guard.)
So with all of that being said, you are willing to make a criminal of me and my friends and thousands upon thousands of other people I do not know, simply because we own a semi automatic gun or two?
I respect anyone who does not want to be around guns or is against gun ownership. It is a lot like parachuting.... it isn't for everyone. I've been in gun classes with people who have never been around a gun, never even seen a gun before. In one particular class, we had 3 people who were "anti-gun" people but were open minded enough to better educate themselves on guns. They took a week long shooting course to get their education. (All 3 were women, by the way.) At the end of the course, 2 of the 3 had changed their opinions on guns entirely. In fact, 1 is a competitive shooter these days and the other is a semi automatic gun owner who frequents our shooting range with her husband (who was also "anti-gun"). The lady who remained anti gun left with an education on all things guns. She even admitted to having fun at the range shooting all of the different guns, but said that gun ownership was not for her.
This woman is confident. She now knows how to check every gun to make sure its safe and is confident that she can handle that. This woman now understands that a gun can't kill anyone, but a person with intent or a person who commits an accident can surely kill somebody.
Any of you who may own a gun are of no concern to me. I don't care what kind of gun you have. I rest assured that you won't be "gunning" for me anytime soon. I rest assured because you probably came from the same gun handling school I did. Maybe you learned from your dad. Maybe you've taken a course (or 20). We as gun owners aren't gunning for anybody. That's what separates us from the criminals.... we aren't out to harm anyone. It goes against our nature. We are not the people who are out committing crimes.
More people die a year from accidents than die from homicide by gun. In fact, accidental death by guns is #7 on the list of accidental deaths. More people suffocate a year than die by accidental shooting.
Homicide is ranked #15 cause of death in this country according to the CDC. (I can't remember the model year but) 16,799 homicides were recorded in the model year and 11,493 of those were caused by guns in general. I wonder how many of those homicides were punk gang bangers shooting each other? That's besides the point.
According to stats gathered by the CDC 42% of all households have a gun. In the model year above, guns were used by civilians 989,883 times to stop crimes against them or someone they know.... almost 1,000,000 times!!!!! That's what, roughly 8 times as many homicides a year and almost 9 times as many homicides by guns a year. 9 times as many crimes stopped from guns than committed by guns in just this one model....
So now there is a rush to make criminals out of law abiding citizens. I'm never going to understand that. 2.5 times as many people die in car crashes as there are all of homicides a year, let alone homicide by gun.
I know you're minds are probably made up. I do think all of you are smart enough to just look at the stats and let them speak for themselves. There are 14 other causes of death a year that take a higher toll than homicide (not even counting homicide by gun) and there are 7 other things that cause more accidental deaths a year than guns. Suffocation, burns, drowning, poisoning, falling, and car crashes are all in front of guns in the accident department.... drowning, more than guns.... How many Americans swim a year, and you aren't willing to take that away?
I hate to be the one to tell you but if it will help, Santa Claus is real.
Funny funny man. (I am *not* laughing at OH's expense-I totally get what she meant) but that was just classic Glass. You must have your family rolling with your humor.
Funny funny man. (I am *not* laughing at OH's expense-I totally get what she meant) but that was just classic Glass. You must have your family rolling with your humor.
Arm more people, and allow CHL-carriers to conceal-carry, and you'll cut down on mass-killings/massacres.
MORE gun education, not less guns.
Ban AUTO's by all means, but draw the line there.
MORE gun education, not less guns.
Ban AUTO's by all means, but draw the line there.
As pointed out by Brice in a previous post you can buy a semi-auto shotgun that holds 8 rounds which falls below the limit proposed, it is easy to reload on the fly and causes serious damage, it is actually my weapon of choice for home defense, so what happens when the next mass shooting involves a gun like that, do we take those away too or do we just get rid of all guns at that point
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