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Obamacare hatred
http://news.yahoo.com/irrational-hatred-obamacare-hard-fathom-050114495.html
I know a lot of republicans "hate" the program just because it is "Obama's plan" (that apparently was a republican plan before Obama "laid claim".
What I think a lot of people like this author don't get it, there are a lot of republicans that hate the program because of it being so poorly rolled out, but more importantly... because the information about the plan was so extremely vague. This rolls back to Pelosi's wonderful quote and the President's claim to "more transparency".
I know a lot of republicans "hate" the program just because it is "Obama's plan" (that apparently was a republican plan before Obama "laid claim".
What I think a lot of people like this author don't get it, there are a lot of republicans that hate the program because of it being so poorly rolled out, but more importantly... because the information about the plan was so extremely vague. This rolls back to Pelosi's wonderful quote and the President's claim to "more transparency".
Yes I can admit that. I'm really not that enthralled with the man.
I do not see him as arrogant to the point where it should be a major point about the man.
Maybe you're that rare person who carries no baggage and no preconceived ideas about anything. If someone were I would love it to be you Barb because I have always liked and respected you, I simply think it's unlikely. I'm maybe on a different level with all this. On those tests I showed a strong bias towards black people which surprised me. Then I tested regrading gays and the result was that I was biased strongly against gays. I was in San Fran in 1968 living in a gay apartment. It freaked me out and I left but I got acclimated to gay guys. Then I had gay friends when I lived in Coconut Grove. I thought for sure I'd do well on that test but I didn't. I thought long and hard about that and finally realized that the reason for my results was that I never really believed that gays were happy. Consciously it never dawned on me. I never ever thought about it but it did bias me in ways I would never have dreamed of. It's unconscious Barb.
That's all I have. I think that type of unconscious bias clouds so much of what people see when they think there are no filters at all. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not mean . I'm always searching for the truth and some people don't like that at all.
I'm sorry if I have offended the members here. I can either not post or I can post what I believe to be true. I can't just get along for the sake of getting along. That's not worth my time Barb.
I do not see him as arrogant to the point where it should be a major point about the man.
Maybe you're that rare person who carries no baggage and no preconceived ideas about anything. If someone were I would love it to be you Barb because I have always liked and respected you, I simply think it's unlikely. I'm maybe on a different level with all this. On those tests I showed a strong bias towards black people which surprised me. Then I tested regrading gays and the result was that I was biased strongly against gays. I was in San Fran in 1968 living in a gay apartment. It freaked me out and I left but I got acclimated to gay guys. Then I had gay friends when I lived in Coconut Grove. I thought for sure I'd do well on that test but I didn't. I thought long and hard about that and finally realized that the reason for my results was that I never really believed that gays were happy. Consciously it never dawned on me. I never ever thought about it but it did bias me in ways I would never have dreamed of. It's unconscious Barb.
That's all I have. I think that type of unconscious bias clouds so much of what people see when they think there are no filters at all. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not mean . I'm always searching for the truth and some people don't like that at all.
I'm sorry if I have offended the members here. I can either not post or I can post what I believe to be true. I can't just get along for the sake of getting along. That's not worth my time Barb.
It's a little scary that you think you can make judgment calls that someone's opinion about the president of the country they too live in is based on something other than what they tell you. Oh, I forgot. You are so smart, you even can see into my brain!
I think it is always inappropriate to argue with someone about their personal character and you have a special knack for trying to do that to people often. Especially based on something like a current events forum where the topic isn't me (or other people who post here). This would presume that we know each other really well and it is okay to take the liberty to basically speak for me or 'school' me as to why I feel the way I do. It astounds me that you don't see that as inappropriate.
I don't know anyone here well enough to be confident I know what motivates them.
This has been a rather disappointing discussion. so yes, good night.
I think it is always inappropriate to argue with someone about their personal character and you have a special knack for trying to do that to people often. Especially based on something like a current events forum where the topic isn't me (or other people who post here). This would presume that we know each other really well and it is okay to take the liberty to basically speak for me or 'school' me as to why I feel the way I do. It astounds me that you don't see that as inappropriate.
I don't know anyone here well enough to be confident I know what motivates them.
This has been a rather disappointing discussion. so yes, good night.
I didn't post my results to that test on the forum, but I did send them to you via PM, at the time or shortly after. Shame on me... apparently, you dug them back up.
"I don't think you're hateful or malevolent. I think you're a product of your culture and I don't believe you realize it. Now, isn't that arrogant of me to suggest such a thing?" No - that's not arrogant, but it is misguided, because you don't know my culture; you don't know my experiences and you don't really know anything about me - the person.
"A black person acting like an equal is disconcerting or maybe just so foreign that it strikes you as wrong so it must be arrogance that you're seeing." I'm accustomed to black people being my equal. It might surprise you that I've even eaten at their table or they at mine; we go to the same restaurants, we shop in the same stores, we use the same bathrooms; there's nothing unusual about this.
I wasn't raised to be prejudiced towards anyone... I was raised to believe that there's no one in this world better than me and by the same token, neither am I better than any other living being. Some of the people I've had the most respect and admiration for, during my younger years were black. I've had black friends that were a lot closer than many of the white so-called "friends" I've had...
I'm sorry, but based on my experiences, I find your suggestions extremely personal and offensive.
You think that test tells everything there is to know about how a person feels? I realize that you're far smarter than I am and you've done a lot more research on various subjects than I have.. but there's always a possibility that your "test" doesn't really reflect what people actually think..
Remember the "class" test that was posted not long ago? They didn't always have the exact answer we wanted and there was no way to insert what we wanted, so we had to take something "close"...
I stand by my original statement -- Obama is not someone I'd ever describe as "confident", while the black man who saved my husband from bleeding to death one day, when he accidentally cut himself? Totally confident in that skin, totally equal to anyone he came across. I'd entrust my life to him in heartbeat, but never to Obama.
"I simply believe that if an objective analysis was done regarding eye contact, head position etc that it would show clearly that Obama does not display the characteristics you ascribe to arrogance." You're making a lot of assumptions regarding what *I* see and think... Most of the photos I see of Obama, he's making eye contact with nothing, but his dream in the sky...
"I act like a champion of the black people and yet I realize that I have unconscious biases." Actually, in some ways you sound more prejudiced than you're accusing me of being...
"I know this is likely a fruitless endeavor. If it weren't we wouldn't be in the shape we're in. I'm probably a fool to think that I'll get through to you or anyone predisposed against the possibilities I raise. But unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, I'm an eternal optimist."
That's the height arrogance!! You're a very intelligent, respected person.. do you really believe that everyone who doesn't like Obama or agree with his policies is prejudiced? Can't you ever acknowledge that he's a man, like any other and he's not infallible? And that not everyone would agree with him, even if he were white?
"I don't think you're hateful or malevolent. I think you're a product of your culture and I don't believe you realize it. Now, isn't that arrogant of me to suggest such a thing?" No - that's not arrogant, but it is misguided, because you don't know my culture; you don't know my experiences and you don't really know anything about me - the person.
"A black person acting like an equal is disconcerting or maybe just so foreign that it strikes you as wrong so it must be arrogance that you're seeing." I'm accustomed to black people being my equal. It might surprise you that I've even eaten at their table or they at mine; we go to the same restaurants, we shop in the same stores, we use the same bathrooms; there's nothing unusual about this.
I wasn't raised to be prejudiced towards anyone... I was raised to believe that there's no one in this world better than me and by the same token, neither am I better than any other living being. Some of the people I've had the most respect and admiration for, during my younger years were black. I've had black friends that were a lot closer than many of the white so-called "friends" I've had...
I'm sorry, but based on my experiences, I find your suggestions extremely personal and offensive.
You think that test tells everything there is to know about how a person feels? I realize that you're far smarter than I am and you've done a lot more research on various subjects than I have.. but there's always a possibility that your "test" doesn't really reflect what people actually think..
Remember the "class" test that was posted not long ago? They didn't always have the exact answer we wanted and there was no way to insert what we wanted, so we had to take something "close"...
I stand by my original statement -- Obama is not someone I'd ever describe as "confident", while the black man who saved my husband from bleeding to death one day, when he accidentally cut himself? Totally confident in that skin, totally equal to anyone he came across. I'd entrust my life to him in heartbeat, but never to Obama.
"I simply believe that if an objective analysis was done regarding eye contact, head position etc that it would show clearly that Obama does not display the characteristics you ascribe to arrogance." You're making a lot of assumptions regarding what *I* see and think... Most of the photos I see of Obama, he's making eye contact with nothing, but his dream in the sky...
"I act like a champion of the black people and yet I realize that I have unconscious biases." Actually, in some ways you sound more prejudiced than you're accusing me of being...
"I know this is likely a fruitless endeavor. If it weren't we wouldn't be in the shape we're in. I'm probably a fool to think that I'll get through to you or anyone predisposed against the possibilities I raise. But unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, I'm an eternal optimist."
That's the height arrogance!! You're a very intelligent, respected person.. do you really believe that everyone who doesn't like Obama or agree with his policies is prejudiced? Can't you ever acknowledge that he's a man, like any other and he's not infallible? And that not everyone would agree with him, even if he were white?
Well, that's unfortunate.
I don't agree with you and that is being inappropriate.
I find that arrogant SM.
Back down?
Are you serious?
Good night specialmom
I don't agree with you and that is being inappropriate.
I find that arrogant SM.
Back down?
Are you serious?
Good night specialmom
I'm not being defensive as I think you have some serious issues that are showing. You refuse to back down when you are being incredibly inappropriate.
Your defensiveness is showing.
Are you so afraid to be known on a little forum like this?
Are you so afraid to be known on a little forum like this?
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