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tightness in chest fatigue trouble breathing

by lostone08, Apr 26, 2008 12:39AM
Tags: colon
for the last 3-4 years i was diagnosed with gerd it seems everytime i go out and drink or have a few drinks i get really bad fatigue the next day and i feel very ill my chest gets tight and its hard for me to breath for a day or two any ideas of what this could be?
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by boron, Apr 26, 2008 02:15AM
Would you say, you have heartburn, acidic burning feeling behind your breastbone or in the throat? If yes, then your hard breathing may be from acid, which comes into lungs and causes narrowing of small breathing pathways (bronchioli). This is like in asthma. It's not an allergy, but irritation of lungs. If acid goes further into the lungs, it may cause aspiration pneumonia. This causes permanent lung damage. You should by any means avoid these attacks.

by lostone08, Apr 26, 2008 06:45AM
some times heartburn sometimes not i forgot to mention my liver enymes have been elevated the last 3 years any ideas?

by boron, Apr 28, 2008 02:39AM
Tightness of breath is probably from gerd. You should fix this, since it can cause permanent damage of esophagus, or even lungs. The first test is often breath test for H. pylori, which may be the cause of all gastric problems. H. pylori is then treated with antibiotics.

About elevated liver enzymes - which ones and how much elevated, also bilirubin levels would be needed to say anything more. Problems with liver often cause fatigue and nausea. It may be hepatitis, fatty liver...if enzymes were rised, additional testing is needed - starting with ones for hepatitis.

by lostone08, Apr 28, 2008 04:37AM
To: boron
thanks again for your response yea my docs look at my liver with an ultrasound and determined it to bew fatty liver that was 3 years ago i have had hep tests done recently all neg and they put a camera down my throat into my stomach for gerd and same result nothing what is this breath test? so gerd can affect the lungs too wow i never knew that is there any herbal or at home remedys i can try to cure it with i really have a hard time breathing so bad i cant even smoke a cig if i wanted to

by boron, Apr 28, 2008 06:09AM
Breath test:
You drink an emulsion of carbohydrates. If there are H. pylori bacteria in the stomach, they will eat those carbohydrates, break them down and produce gas. This gas enters the blood and then lungs, and it can be measured in expired air. This is the first test, you should have, since H. pylori may be the main cause of your problem. If test is positive, you get antibiotics for a week, and healing follows in most cases. These bacteria cause gastritis (inflammation or ulcers in the stomach) and may cause excessive acid secretion. This acid then goes up into esophagus and causes heartburn. If some acid leaks into trachea, it may be aspirated into lungs - and this is the cause of short breath. All this is dangerous since it may permanently damage your esophagus or lungs.

Until then, a green tea, or so, may help, since it creates a thin film over gastric mucosa, and prevent acid to affect it. But this is so-so, it may work or not, and it is not a permanent solution.

Alcohol, smoking, aspirins, acids, fruits or fruit juices, or anything acidic (aspirin, ibuprophen...vitamin C) may irritate gastric mucosa and worsen the pain. You can also try some days of completely vegetarian diet to see, if it helps (proteins from animal food, especially meat and eggs, sit a long time in the stomach, trigger acid secretion and may cause pain and nausea).

Now, I'm not sure if this is the real reason, but you can try. If you see, its triggered by alcohol - what should I say :) ?
The fatigue you describe sounds a bit unusual for GERD (at least for me), I think it's probably from alcohol - from its breakdown product acetaldehyde , which is a cause of hangover. This acetaldehyde is also produced by yeasts (fungi) candida. If these candida are overgrown within intestine, they may produce this acetaldehyde when you feed them with alcohol (or sugar). OK, this candida is just a possibility - if you were having candida, you'd also probably have a white coated tongue, skin itching, bloating, or diarrhea, especially after SUGARY meal.

by lostone08, Apr 29, 2008 01:57AM
To: boron
wow thanks a lot! for the detailed response so how do i test for candida?

by boron, Apr 29, 2008 03:09AM
Your first test should be breath test for H. pylori, which are in the stomach. Candida is in the colon, so when that emulsion, you drink, comes into the colon, candida eats it the same way as H. pylori, and produce gas again. I'm not sure if both microbes can be checked at the same time, but you can ask before the test. Also: producing of gas in colon in this test doesn't exactly mean, it's candida, it may be some other microbe.

Diagnosing of candida is hard. Candida often lives in the healthy gut, so it is often found during the stool test. Since stool test for candida can't distinguish between normal and excessive amount of candida, it is useless. Actually, the only reliable test for candida would be colonoscopy, which shows white patches in colonic mucosa.

Doctors are reluctant to order colonoscopy for candida without obvious symptoms, like oral thrush.

Anyway, you can make a diet trial, where you avoid all simple sugars (table sugar, fructose - so no fruits, and fruit juices, pasta, potatoes and so on. More here:
http://www.allhealthsite.com/40/intestinal-candida-overgrowth/

by lostone08, Apr 29, 2008 05:07AM
so if one of these was the case could it have lasted this long for 3-4 years? i have been on a few course of antibiotics wouldnt that of killed it? im just really worried its something untreatable but when i go to the doctors they just see me as a young person and are reluctant to do any tests

by boron, Apr 29, 2008 05:36AM
I've mentioned both above only like possibilities, since I don't know much about your other symptoms and medical history.

H. pylori and candida are killed by other antibiotics as they are usually used for infections (especially candida which is a yeast and not bacteria). For H. pylori I don't know, it is considered that 50% of people have it - most without symptoms though.
Both bacteria and candida may develop slowly and persist for years - there are patient stories about that. Antibiotics may actually trigger candida overgrowth, since it kills bacteria and thus provide place for yeasts. Antibiotic treatment is a typical cause for candida, as you've might read on above link. Antibiotics kill harmfull, pathogenic bacteria, and may (and do) also kill many normal bacteria. But not always. Clostridium difficile overgrowth for example and candida overgrowth in colon typically appear after long term antibiotic treatment.  

Being young does not prevent you from gastric cancer. How old are you? There was a 20 year old woman here some time ago with a gastric cancer. It is colonic cancer which appear mostly only after 50.

You may want to put your medical history in one peace here, exact antibiotics, reasons for them, symptoms, chronic diseases, family diseases...Pain - where, when (night, after the meal..)?
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