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HIV via Oral Sex
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/HIV/Pages/Michaelsstory.aspx
Hi Guys!
Can you please read my attachment.On this site everyone says oral sex is not a risk.So what about this true story.
Im really worried i got infected with HIV,because i had an unprotected oral sex with a street worker, then after protected vaginal sex for about 5 minutes.Im in depression now since wrote this true story,so unprotected oral sex is a risk as well!!!!
Hi Guys!
Can you please read my attachment.On this site everyone says oral sex is not a risk.So what about this true story.
Im really worried i got infected with HIV,because i had an unprotected oral sex with a street worker, then after protected vaginal sex for about 5 minutes.Im in depression now since wrote this true story,so unprotected oral sex is a risk as well!!!!
1,I don't mean to discriminate, but that person is already in the high risk group to begin with ((gay)).
2, This is just an account of a person's own story, NOT a study.
3, According to HIS OWN story, he doesn't seem to have been quite aware of what was going on with his health until the GP seemingly suggests HIV. Further evidence that shows he may have not been wary of the exposure that was actually the cause. He just goes to the GP for the flu.
4. Last but not least, you have been told NUMEROUS times that oral sex carries no risk for HIV. If you don't believe us, then why don't you try other forums.
“The first sign was a bad dose of flu. Like me, my GP is gay and he suspected that I had contracted HIV."
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I will quote TEAK, the most knowledgeable person to have ever been on this forum, quoting some the best doctors in this field.
1. No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States
Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228
AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men
Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.
Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:
Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;
Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.
There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD
"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD
"I am sure you can find lots of people who believe that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK
"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK
in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA
"HIV is not spread by masturbation, through oral sex, through kissing or other casual contact." Dr. Hook
"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
"I would not say your risk ,if he had HIV is "slim to none"- that's too high. I would say they are effectively zero. How much of his ejaculate or other genital secretions you may have swallowed makes no difference. EWH "
"As far as HIV is concerned, there is no known risk of getting HIV from performing oral sex on an infected partner, even if that person's genital secretions get into your eyes or if you swallow." Dr.Hook
2.HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.
2, This is just an account of a person's own story, NOT a study.
3, According to HIS OWN story, he doesn't seem to have been quite aware of what was going on with his health until the GP seemingly suggests HIV. Further evidence that shows he may have not been wary of the exposure that was actually the cause. He just goes to the GP for the flu.
4. Last but not least, you have been told NUMEROUS times that oral sex carries no risk for HIV. If you don't believe us, then why don't you try other forums.
“The first sign was a bad dose of flu. Like me, my GP is gay and he suspected that I had contracted HIV."
======================================================
I will quote TEAK, the most knowledgeable person to have ever been on this forum, quoting some the best doctors in this field.
1. No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States
Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228
AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men
Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.
Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:
Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;
Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.
There is no debate (among experts) about the HIV risks associated with oral sex. The risk is so low that almost nobody who cares for HIV infected patients has ever had a patient believed to have been infected that way. Among experts, it's a semantic issue about using terms like "no risk" and "very low risk". There is no difference between my or Dr. Hook's use of "low risk" and other experts' "no risk".
DR. HANSFIELD
"And oral sex is basically safe sex -- completely safe with respect to HIV and although not zero risk for other STDs, the chance of infection is far lower than for unprotected vaginal or anal sex. Please educate yourself about the real risks. If you stick with oral sex and condom-protected vaginal or anal sex, you have no HIV worries and very little worry about other STDs. " DR HANSFIELD
"I am sure you can find lots of people who believe that HIV is transmitted by oral sex, but you will not find scientific data to support this unrealistic concern..." DR HOOK
"HIV is not spread by touching, masturbation, oral sex or condom protected sex."- DR. HOOK
in the public HIV Prevention forum of MedHelp, TEAK and the other moderators maintain that oral sex in all forms is a zero risk activity. Would you agree with this assessment?
I TOTALLY AGREE / DR GARCIA
"HIV is not spread by masturbation, through oral sex, through kissing or other casual contact." Dr. Hook
"The observation on thousands and thousands of observations is that HIV is not spread by oral sex (of any sort)." DR HOOK
"I would not say your risk ,if he had HIV is "slim to none"- that's too high. I would say they are effectively zero. How much of his ejaculate or other genital secretions you may have swallowed makes no difference. EWH "
"As far as HIV is concerned, there is no known risk of getting HIV from performing oral sex on an infected partner, even if that person's genital secretions get into your eyes or if you swallow." Dr.Hook
2.HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.
The theoretical risk is based on a perfect storm scenario as described at thebody.com hiv experts.
It would require a high viral load and very poor oral hygiene where bleeding is present.
And perhaps other factors contributed to this claimed infection.
If this is true it doesn't change the assessment.
Like if one person didn't produce antibodies in the window period it won't make the cdc make everyone else go 6 months for a conclusive result.
It would be like a fluke.
Now he claimed to be infected in 1990.
Googled Dr. Hook oral sex and Dr. Handsfield oral sex.
See what they say 16 yrs later after studies and research.
Would you trust 1 claim or renowned experts in the field of HIV who have study and treated scores of ppl?
It would require a high viral load and very poor oral hygiene where bleeding is present.
And perhaps other factors contributed to this claimed infection.
If this is true it doesn't change the assessment.
Like if one person didn't produce antibodies in the window period it won't make the cdc make everyone else go 6 months for a conclusive result.
It would be like a fluke.
Now he claimed to be infected in 1990.
Googled Dr. Hook oral sex and Dr. Handsfield oral sex.
See what they say 16 yrs later after studies and research.
Would you trust 1 claim or renowned experts in the field of HIV who have study and treated scores of ppl?
If HIV was acquired through oral sex close to the whole world would be infected. You had no risk and have no reason to test.
You had no risk. Maybe if she was actually HIV infected and you sliced her genitals and swallowed copious amounts of blood. Even than its no guarantee. Don't freak out about one person's claimed story.
There have been numerous scientific studies done on sero-discordant couples (one person positive one negative) who engaged in protected intercourse and unprotected oral for years. And not one person in those studies caught HIV from the other. Not one.
This case (if even true) is so rare (unheard of) to happen. I don't judge people's stories but the chances of this happening is close to 1 in a trillion. It has been proven time and time again HIV is not transmitted through oral sex. I highly doubt oral sex was the only activity. He must of been bleeding profusely (gushing wide open wound) and his partner had an extremely high viral load. You can find stories all over the internet. Doesn't mean they are true. People can claim all sorts of things. The experts have all concluded HIV is not a risk through oral sex. It has been proven that all documented cases were based on false reporting and highly suspect that oral sex was the only act.
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