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How are people getting HIV?
All I read on this site is how the chances are sooo low to get it in a variety of different circumstances, but how are 14,000 people a day getting this horrible disease? Granted I know most happen in Africa but look at these numbers I crunched and let me know if you think things need changing.
I live in Korea so I'm using it as an example. (there are no injection cases here cause no drugs are present so it is purely based on sex)
50 million people in Korea (Average people getting HIV in a day is 2 people)
300,000 people a day visit sex palours
500,000 sex workers work in Korea (room salons, brothels and so on)
appox 30,000 people have HIV in Korea 1/8 of that proportion is women
being generous lets say 6,000 Sex workers have HIV (OVERLY generous cause most of the women are wives of the men that have it)
Ok so 6,000/500,000 = 1% of sex workers have HIV
1% of 300,000 = 3,000 (this many people are having sex with people who are HIV positive)
Factor in condom usage which is pretty high especially with sex workers lets say 50% again under estimating cause I don't understand how people are getting it.
so 1,500 people are at potential risk and perhaps 1 will get it cause there is a 1 in 2000 chance of obtaining HIV from a person with HIV during vaginal intercourse.
Then it may get passed on to the wives or through homosexual contact. But I greatly exaggerated all my stats in order to come up with this Value.
How are people getting this diseases if the odds are always in your favor?
On average how much of the World population is having sex a day? (percent value)
It's simple. Unprotect vaginal and anal sex and through IV drug abuse, where the sharing of works happen.
Teak is right
It's simple. Unprotect vaginal and anal sex and through IV drug abuse, where the sharing of works happen.
It's simple. Unprotect vaginal and anal sex and through IV drug abuse, where the sharing of works happen.
Ya but the chances are small still with unprotected vaginal sex does that mean out of the 300,000 thousand people that visit sex workers half don't wrap it up?
Teak is right! If people woud not inject drugs and use condoms you would see a major drop. You can do numbers and study numbers and twist numbers and erase numbers, but at the end of the day over 10,000 people a day get infected, meaning statistically 100s of thousands of people put themselves at risk everyday. Why?
"How are people getting this diseases if the odds are always in your favor? "
Receptive anal sex, needles sharing, receptive vaginal from those having receptive anal sex and sharing IV drugs are by far the highest risks for hiv infection.
You are dead on in your logic and stats and thoughts. Good for you.
I always refer to porn between men and women, anal,vaginal, multiple partners etc.....how many scenes are shot every day/week/year? how many partners do these people have in a week? LOTS. Where are the HIV rates???? other than 2004 where 1 man gave it to 3 or 4?people (all women). There were rampant speculations he had receptive anal sex from a transexual in Brazil prior to this.
So, where are the HIV rates in porn with all of the unprotected anal and vaginal sex going on? more and more with internal c** shots. If it happened, you can bet the industry would be shutdown and / or quarantined. Look what happened when 2 people were infected? Everybody knew and the media ran wild with it.
Receptive anal sex, needles sharing, receptive vaginal from those having receptive anal sex and sharing IV drugs are by far the highest risks for hiv infection.
You are dead on in your logic and stats and thoughts. Good for you.
I always refer to porn between men and women, anal,vaginal, multiple partners etc.....how many scenes are shot every day/week/year? how many partners do these people have in a week? LOTS. Where are the HIV rates???? other than 2004 where 1 man gave it to 3 or 4?people (all women). There were rampant speculations he had receptive anal sex from a transexual in Brazil prior to this.
So, where are the HIV rates in porn with all of the unprotected anal and vaginal sex going on? more and more with internal c** shots. If it happened, you can bet the industry would be shutdown and / or quarantined. Look what happened when 2 people were infected? Everybody knew and the media ran wild with it.
Ignore dumbo. People in the porn industry are tested constantly and those that are not in the industry, rarely, if any time at all, get tested. There no comparison between two.
there you go again. Did I mention your name in there?? What is the reason you feel you need to jump in on my reponse like that? Does it make you feel powerful or something?
The test is only good for the day it was taken, no matter the frequency. You are so hypocritical and contradictory.
The test is only good for the day it was taken, no matter the frequency. You are so hypocritical and contradictory.
And let me ask you this, just so you cannot copy Dr.H's answers like you did above. If frequent testing is the reason to low HIV rates in pron (man/woman), then why is it that gay porn continue to use condoms? they are frequently tested too right teak? so why bother? Please explain. Or do you need to look up another one of Dr. H's answers to make yourself look good? do you have an answer of your own? or, if you answered with truth, would you have to admit that gay men are truly high risk for hiv due to the methods of sexual pleasure?
Regardless, the original poster is 100% correct in his assumpitons and thoughts no matter what you say or how you try to deflect.
Regardless, the original poster is 100% correct in his assumpitons and thoughts no matter what you say or how you try to deflect.
and to add again, you say to test after every exposure here on this forum and on aidsmeds and for absolutely low risk situations to scare peopl. Porn stars do not do this. They test once per month and have multiple high risk exposures everyday, sometimes multiple times per day with multiple partners.
do you see how you are so contradictory? or will you continue to delfect? wheres your logic or do you have any?
do you see how you are so contradictory? or will you continue to delfect? wheres your logic or do you have any?
So, where are the HIV rates in porn with all of the unprotected anal and vaginal sex going on?
i am not in that industry but i guess you must be reffering
Look what happened when 2 people were infected?
famous case it has lots of loop holes in it no 1 knows
what i read is that man went to some other country outside U.S and exp. the flue like symptoms and then he tested negative on PCR
Time period between a sex and his test is important( i dont know but 15 days is prefer on PCR)
another thing when he caught a hiv from a person was that person also cheacked on PCR ? and after what time period
and how porn industry will know that this person has his last sex after exact 15 days they cheack only test result
also later on ehwn second generation 15 people who had sex with him were they all tested before doing another sex and time period
You understand every thing will be wrong at same time with that TEST is not possible otherwise why it prefered in INFANTS
also was that test performed in standard lab these must have tested at another lab (for those not in U.S)
i think industry is most safe than that is outside atleast they take care
only thing is disciplene which lacks everywhere
i might be wrong and correct it
i am not in that industry but i guess you must be reffering
Look what happened when 2 people were infected?
famous case it has lots of loop holes in it no 1 knows
what i read is that man went to some other country outside U.S and exp. the flue like symptoms and then he tested negative on PCR
Time period between a sex and his test is important( i dont know but 15 days is prefer on PCR)
another thing when he caught a hiv from a person was that person also cheacked on PCR ? and after what time period
and how porn industry will know that this person has his last sex after exact 15 days they cheack only test result
also later on ehwn second generation 15 people who had sex with him were they all tested before doing another sex and time period
You understand every thing will be wrong at same time with that TEST is not possible otherwise why it prefered in INFANTS
also was that test performed in standard lab these must have tested at another lab (for those not in U.S)
i think industry is most safe than that is outside atleast they take care
only thing is disciplene which lacks everywhere
i might be wrong and correct it
I am not 100% clear n your post. But, the point is, Teak says to test after every single exposure. Porn star or not. Porn stars are at high risk according to the data. If what you and teak say are true, then gay porn actors should not need to wear condoms then...or are they at highest risk of having HIV?
Although I enjoy your posts and feel you are well versed I think you are wrong about the porn industry as a whole. Most, if not all are in “the business” and understand the risk they take. Most with the exception you mentioned {Brazil} do not stray with untested people. They get a DNA/PCR test now every fifteen days in order to get their “gold card” which they must present before any shoot. They take this dead serious. Are there exceptions, sure but not many? One quote I remember though, during the Brazil scare was a porn producer did state, that out of the thousands of C## shots oral and on the face before strict testing, not one case of HIV resulted form his movies. I guess that is evidence of oral as being pretty same.
This also points in my opinion as to the effectiveness of the DNA/PCR test, which I think is the best. It simply is too expensive for general use.
This also points in my opinion as to the effectiveness of the DNA/PCR test, which I think is the best. It simply is too expensive for general use.
I agree they are tested frequently. But, that test is only good on the day of. They still do not know where their partner of the day was prior to hooking up with them, they also do not know if they are shooting drugs, or maybe some are prostituting for extra money...it does happen. I also somewhat disagree with the fact all are tested that frequently as i think they have to pay for their own tests. I have read that alot of directors do not even ask for current status and actors do not necessarily ask for it either. I think I read that in an article which quoted Sharon??? ..... As well, do not forget that porn was rampant in the 70's and 80's of course before tests were around and before HIV. where are the infectins from those days? There are not many. John Holmes being the only notable but he was in to drugs and gay porn as one of his co workers he worked with in gay porn died from aids prior to John Holmes.
My point is that why the difference in male / female porn (no condoms) vs. male / male porn using condoms if they are also tested religiously and know the risks? If all things are equal as the fundraisers would have everyone believe, then the activities should and could be the same.
The HIV scare in 04 affected 3 or 4 people out of over 50 people I believe if not more. That is a small number of infections for all that sex which to me confirms hiv is hard to transmit even under the best of circumstances.
My point is that why the difference in male / female porn (no condoms) vs. male / male porn using condoms if they are also tested religiously and know the risks? If all things are equal as the fundraisers would have everyone believe, then the activities should and could be the same.
The HIV scare in 04 affected 3 or 4 people out of over 50 people I believe if not more. That is a small number of infections for all that sex which to me confirms hiv is hard to transmit even under the best of circumstances.
Sorry that sounds somewhat confusing. I meant to say that I agree frequent testing does happen but I do not believe all are as frequently tested as we may think.
hard to tell. i do know no one can make a nationally released shoot without verifiying their status. I'm sure cheep back room stuff is still avalible. Good point about gay movies though. I have watched some and always woundered why the strieght movies are many fold harder core than the gay movies. Heck Gay movies even have a PLOT, YUK!!
There is no doubt in my mind that Dumbo watches a lot of Gay porn, so I guess I will have to agree with what he is saying. But the stat 3-4 out of 50 being a small number, regardless if the amount of sex is high!
So let me get this straight. You and your good pal Teak bash me every chance you get (see above) and I say nothing to you or him to instigate (yet you continue to say I do), yet you jump right in like a 2 year old to follow your hero? For what reason did you say this in this thread? this is a logical discussion being done with civil tongue and you resort to childish comments.
Now let me comment on your buddy Teaks comment on "frequent testing" that he simply repeated from Dr.HHH. Teak left out the part where Dr. H says these people (porn actors) do not worry about their low risks (i.e. vaginal/hetero sex) and simply carry on with life. (I remember the response but cannot find the thread..will keep looking) Interesting how teak left that out. Or did he do it because it confirms vaginal/hetero sex is not as risky as gay men having anal sex??
Regardless, the original poster is absolutely correct in their thoughts and statements. Nothing you or Teak can say will change that for those who have a brain and can think for themselves.
Now let me comment on your buddy Teaks comment on "frequent testing" that he simply repeated from Dr.HHH. Teak left out the part where Dr. H says these people (porn actors) do not worry about their low risks (i.e. vaginal/hetero sex) and simply carry on with life. (I remember the response but cannot find the thread..will keep looking) Interesting how teak left that out. Or did he do it because it confirms vaginal/hetero sex is not as risky as gay men having anal sex??
Regardless, the original poster is absolutely correct in their thoughts and statements. Nothing you or Teak can say will change that for those who have a brain and can think for themselves.
All anyone has to do is go back and read your posts and they will see.
Nothing you or Teak can say will change that for those who have a brain. That's your problem dumbo you have no brain and you don't know what you are talking about concerning HIV.
Nothing you or Teak can say will change that for those who have a brain. That's your problem dumbo you have no brain and you don't know what you are talking about concerning HIV.
Just my opinion, but I would prefer to listen to Dumbo any day. At least his sources can be verified. It is admirable that he doesn't sit and call people "trolls" or "dorks" all day, as you do. Act your age, which is much older than 5.
You have nerve. You're so well educated, you say and give your 2 cents, what brought you to the forum? UNPROTECTED sex and another little problem? Now you think you know all. All anyone has to do is read your post to Dr. H and they will see you are not well versed on HIV.
Well I just read that post to dr.HHH. What's your point? She is still more knowledgable than you are, by a mile. Just because a person is worried doesn't mean that she is not "well versed". Look, I'm not a snob - but you should stop arguing with people that unlike you actually HAVE A MEDICAL EDUCATION.
how much lower can you get? do you get off and feel smug about trying to belittle someone for the reason they came here? Is that the best you can come up with when someone shows they know more than you? you resort to childish tactics and even more immaturity? I am sure you got beat up alot growing up because you were the first to "run to teacher" everytime someone breathed wrong on the playground.
so you report me, for no reason other than you don't like what I say and I exposed you and your agenda time and time again. You report regularjoey for the same. And now you try to embarrass and humiliate someone for the reaosn they came here simply because they know far more than you about HIV and how it works?
Pathetic is too good of a word to use for you.
so you report me, for no reason other than you don't like what I say and I exposed you and your agenda time and time again. You report regularjoey for the same. And now you try to embarrass and humiliate someone for the reaosn they came here simply because they know far more than you about HIV and how it works?
Pathetic is too good of a word to use for you.
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