T E A K -How dare you...

  Mine is not a story, it's not made up, it's my life's experience. Wheather you believe it or not the police who responded to the call and the Doctor who attended to me concured and an arrest was made based on this plus the syringes on her person. You have been openly hostile towards me for whatever reason even though i have been your defender @ times of his forum as well as extending you respect @ certain moments. You are really coming off as a bitter here and why it's dirrected at me i don't get. I did'nt come on here to get $hit on by you Teak, i also don't appreciate being called a lier in so many words, i don't understand what reasons you think i would have for telling a lie. My exposure is unusual but is also very real, make no mistatke. I can't believe this happened to me but it did and i'm dealing with it as best i can, i'd appreciate not having to having to bypass the bull$hit of others just cause my risk is different, this is why regardless of what happens i'm never going to tell anyone anything anymore, in my personal life i have not mentioned it to anyone except for my ex-girlfriend and the people on this forum. I guess there are somethings in life that are unbelievable to others no matter how simple something like this is to do. ..

[troggs]

  I'd also like to add that you don't her viral load, that could increase my risk by a lot especially scince the detective said she did'nt request med for hiv when arrested-very common practice with heroin addicts.

[concerned997]

there is no common practice with heroin addicts except for using heroin..

[concerned997]

and how do you know she even had hiv? there are quite a few heroin addicts and most are uninfected

[Teak]

It's chapeau story, let him make it as big as he wants. The thing is, he's HIV negative and bummed out about it. He wants to waste his life on something that he doesn't have, so that's his prerogative. While others would rather believe they are millionaires, chapeau wants to believe he’s HIV positive. Like I said, it is his story, it just has a lot of fictional chapters and a lot of drama. Chapeau, I never called you a liar and if I would have, you would have known without a doubt.  

[Tiredofworry]

I just want you to know Chapeau that I fully understand all your concerns.  You have a friend in me.  I wrote you an email about a week ago, and I hope you got it.  The fact is that our risks came from blood, and that makes the whole thing a lot scarier since neither of us can get a direct answer on whether or not being co-infected with hcv and hiv would delay sero-conversion times.  I don't think enough research has been done on this topic.  For all the nay-sayers when it comes to delayed sero-conversion, they have nothing to back them up....no studies what-so-ever.  

Hang in there!

[Tiredofworry]

gr

[ExtremeStress]

here is some good information for you

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/MentalHealth/wwwboard.html

[troggs]

HEP & HIV-coinfection-I bet nobody can find one information that says delayed seroconversion is not a factor...

[alienshadow]

look when will you move on man you keep posting looking for answers that you wont find heres one for you
if you keep reading on hiv you will cause more damage than you know to yourself and then guess what youll be laying in the hospital dying from something besides hiv sorry but thats the truth there was a dr from harvard that did a study on people that worried about hiv and they all could not accept the closure that they were negative and some had more problems from stress than what hiv could do to you stress and anxiety will hurt you more than hiv could besides if you had it you would know by now unless you havent tested and we all know you have

[troggs]

Hep and HIV co-infetion is considered an unkown when it comes to if it may cause delayed seroconversion in some, add to that needle stick exposure information is mainly studied in health care worker settings alone. These studies are also obscurred by pep which IS... more likley to cause delays (i did not take pep) so these studies do not apply to me. I will be tested again in Feb, until then i can only speculate. I you know something about this or can serious helpful information to contradict this statement please post it up, otherwise accept that this is a true concern for me. Most will find it easier to post up a snide remark than to find information that says otherwise. Even Teak has been unable to explain this concern away, so instead of rushing to judgement try backing it up with proof-you won't find much of anything...I will just hope that my negative holds even with all the symptoms i've experienced pointing another dirrection..

[troggs]

Chris i never ment you when i was talking about snide remarks man..

[Tiredofworry]

Okay Chrisneedshelp, I don't mean to be rude at all, but HSV is herpes.  Chapeau and I are talking about HCV which is Hepatitis C.  

And here is the thing I have a problem with....EVEN IF Dr. Bobs post had been about Hepatitis C I would still question it.  Why?  Because I want to see a study....proof of incidences where somebody was co-infected with HCV and HIV and sero-conversion was NOT delayed.  

I know of about 3 incidences where seroconversion was delayed after co-infection YES these happened in the late 90's BUT I came across an article the other day where it happened in Italy at some point after 2005.  I have tried to find that specific article again, and if I do I will post it.  In the meantime I can post the articles about the delayed sero-conversions that happened in the late 90's but I will only do so if you ask me to.

As for you Extreme Stress, yes I have been diagnosed with OCD and yes I take anti-depressants for it.  You don't have to go posting mental health links for me, I have already been to that board.  I start CBT in the New Year, and that will hopefully help me out.  The fact is that OCD or not I have read about delayed seroconversion happening with HCV, so even if I didn't have OCD I would probably still be scared.  

We are supposed to be on this board to support each other with questions about HIV....hence the name HIV support.  This is not even a board for people who acutally are living with HIV.  I am entitled to post here, whether or not others see my fears was warranted.

Again I am not here to fight, but I am entitled to post my opinions.

[Teak]

I don't know where and don't care where you read HCV causes delayed seroconversion the information is incorrect. HCV does NOT causes delayed seroconversion.

[troggs]

Post info then...

[Teak]

Look it up. That should keep you off this forum for a while with your nonsense. I doubt you even know one person with HCV let alone people that are or were co-infected.

[troggs]

Yeah, i don't know anybody with hiv -or- hcv, or both co-infected...how does that make a difference? I do know that she is likley carrying both viruses as a iv drug user / homeless - though. HCV 80% chance, HIV 90% chance HIV / HEP=170%   F'-ed my friend...Still having dry mouth, blood vessles in eyes still broken, Tounge is looking diff, Moles growing-changing, i look like a big pile of dog-$hit what do you think of that, i know don't tell me....doubting Thomas...it's cool...happy new year!

[Teak]

You're negative move on. Seek professional mental help.

[troggs]

  Yeah, i read about this one but that like you said, 10-15 years ago @ this point i guess, but if normal guidlines were 6 months back then that was 4/ 5 months past due my friend, that's alarming...nobody has explained the qualities that hep contains that cause hiv tests to be obscurred. I don't know much, but i do know that the body produced anti bodies to hep when exposed to it, i'll be they can't even tell the difference between hep & hiv, isn't hep-c a relativly new virus as well? Maybe hiv is it's cousin....how much have they closed the gap in the years after this womans exposure? I'd say it takes 6 / 7 months for someone like myself and the fella i read about on youtube who recently tested all the way out to 8 months! Chris, tell me you would be on edge man...

[troggs]

Feb...

[troggs]

What time is it where you live Teak?

[Tiredofworry]

Here is another one for you guys.  Feel free to comment, as I wouldnt' mind hearing some opinions.

PEP, HIV, hepatitis C and late seroconversion

A second letter in the same edition of AIDS was also concerned with PEP. It reported concomitant seroconversion with HIV and hepatitis C in a gay man. The HIV seroconversion occurred unusually late - seven months after exposure to HIV and the use of PEP.

In December 2003, a 24 year-old gay man was prescribed PEP consisting of Combivir and indinavir (Crixivan) for four weeks following receptive unprotected anal sex with an HIV-positive man. Initial HIV and hepatitis C tests were both negative.

In March 2004, however, the patient was diagnosed with hepatitis C virus. An HIV test at this time, and again two months later was negative.

However, despite claiming that he had been adherent to his course of PEP, and denying any further HIV risk behaviour, the man tested HIV-positive in July 2004. At the time of HIV diagnosis, his viral load was a little under 9,000 copies/ml and his CD4 cell count was 540 cells/mm3.

The authors provide some possible explanation for these unusual events. They note that animal models suggest the PEP is likely to be most effective is provided within 24 hours of exposure to HIV. However, their patient only sought treatment 30 hours after his HIV exposure. They also speculate that hepatitis C could have delayed HIV seroconversion and that PEP could have failed because of an interaction between the two viruses. They conclude, “in the case of sexual or professional exposure to both viruses a prolonged follow-up is recommended to cover a risk of late seroconversion.”

[Teak]

He wasn't prescribed PEP.

[LIZZIE LOU]

i want to ask you some serious questions here.

what do you get out of this forum?  
what makes you keep posting?
are you getting "support"?  
does coming to this forum answer any questions?  
when you take a break for a few minutes...do you feel better...relieved?

[Tiredofworry]

No I really don't have too much comments on PEP as I haven't researched that as much.

What I mean to point out here is that the mans risk for Hepatitis and HIV occured in December 2003.  He went on to develop Hepatitis C in March AND then he tested positive for HIV in July 2004.

Remember that it states that his exposure was anal sex with an HIV positive man and that his baseline tests right after the exposure where negative for HIV and HCV.  It wasn't until 6-7 months later that he tested positive for HIV.  Hence a delayed seroconversion after co-infection with HCV and HIV.

[Teak]

Anyone that takes PEP has to again wait out 13 weeks after their last dose to test again. Peer statements on exposures are not reliable. Most people wouldn't say that they were exposed again and we are talking "unknown needle stick" not sexual transmission.  

[Tiredofworry]

I do know that is true about PEP, but so far I haven't heard of anybody who has taken PEP after an exposure to seroconvert later than 6 months.  All the cases in which they have seroconverted later than 6 months (for HIV)  has occured when HCV was an exposure (with or without PEP).  

I don't know if you have read this case, but there was a case of a lady who was co-infected at the same time for HIV and HCV.  This poor lady refused PEP and proceeded to seroconvert after 6 months to HIV.  Eleven months after her exposure she died of HCV related liver failure.

I don't know Teak....I REALLY do hope you are right, and I am not trying to demine your experitise on HIV.  I am just saying that these reports do seem to be saying that simulataneous exposion to HIV and HCV may lead to delayed sero-conversion.

Happy New Year by the way, and my best wishes to you and yours (o:

[peekawho]

You never know if the person is being truthful about no exposures in the meantime.  

[Tiredofworry]

Yes that IS true but I would think that it would be too much of a coincidence that ALL these people would have had repeat exposures after their first.

[peekawho]

Was it hundreds of people?  Dozens? Or just 1 or 2?

*shrugs shoulders*

[Tiredofworry]

I have read about 4 cases.  

[peekawho]

That's miniscule.  In my opinion.  

[alienshadow]

keep on reading thats your problem the more you read the more mess you will find and the more pain you will bring to yourself

[Tiredofworry]

I just know about these four cases.  Don't get so cranky either Shadow  (o:  !!!   I am actually feeling really good right now, better than I have felt in two months.  

I don't think millions of people have been simultaneously co-infected with HIV/HCV (simultaneosly is the key word here).  It has happened in hospitals but I don't think that there is so many cases to be studied.  

Where it probably happens often is among drug users.

I doubt that many drug users shoot up then wait 3months - 1year to see if they got a co-infection, before running out to shoot up again.  

People who shoot up most likely due it on a daily-weekly basis, thus making it impossible to see if they were simultaneously co-infected.  Thus this makes it difficult to say if a co-infected drug user got both the viruses at the same time or at different times.

[alienshadow]

hey i aint cranky im just saying dont read into things so much thats all

[abegnohiv]

So what finally happened this is similar to my case

[LIZZIE LOU]

this post is 3 YEARS old...almost 4