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precum fingering controversy
I posted on this subject and was reassured by the forum that anal fingering with precum contamination is not a risk .I was happy till I read the answer of Dr hook on the same subjectby Edward W Hook, MD, Mar 07, 2008 08:52PM
To: marc9999Let's evaluate your risk and the origins of your concerns. Do you know if your partner was HIV infected or not? Did you ask?
Can HIV be spread by a person who lubricates their fingers
as an intermediate makes transmission less likely than if his penis had delivered the secretions. On the other hand, is there risk? Yes but it is modest. The likelihood of getting infected following a single episode of receptive rectal intercourse in somewhere in the range of 1 in 100. Your risk, if the partner was infected (and I don't think you know this was the case) is lower.
What should you do- get tested, preferably at around eight weeks after your exposure. At that time 98-99% of tests that are going to be positive will be and you will have reliable results.
BTW, this was a relatively risky exposure. Time to get some condoms and use them. EWH
Why the contradiction please explain thanks
To: marc9999Let's evaluate your risk and the origins of your concerns. Do you know if your partner was HIV infected or not? Did you ask?
Can HIV be spread by a person who lubricates their fingers
as an intermediate makes transmission less likely than if his penis had delivered the secretions. On the other hand, is there risk? Yes but it is modest. The likelihood of getting infected following a single episode of receptive rectal intercourse in somewhere in the range of 1 in 100. Your risk, if the partner was infected (and I don't think you know this was the case) is lower.
What should you do- get tested, preferably at around eight weeks after your exposure. At that time 98-99% of tests that are going to be positive will be and you will have reliable results.
BTW, this was a relatively risky exposure. Time to get some condoms and use them. EWH
Why the contradiction please explain thanks
Dear teak , I am trying my best to move on and I diligently reread all Dr Hunter's comments that you quote and they do not deal with precum on finger , they deal with cuts.
Can you forward me any doctor comments on fingering with precum as the only one I found was by Dr hook and he mentions anal fingering with precum as a moderate risk.
thanks for your patience as I am very worried as to why Dr hook mentions it as a risk .I was content till I read Dr Hook comments
Can you forward me any doctor comments on fingering with precum as the only one I found was by Dr hook and he mentions anal fingering with precum as a moderate risk.
thanks for your patience as I am very worried as to why Dr hook mentions it as a risk .I was content till I read Dr Hook comments
Dear Teak thanks for the above Dr HHH threads , but in none was there mention of precum on the fingering question.Do the comments apply on fingering with precum?
Also Dr Hook on the subject mentioned the following
BTW, this was a relatively risky exposure. Time to get some condoms and use them. EWH
Also Dr Hook on the subject mentioned the following
BTW, this was a relatively risky exposure. Time to get some condoms and use them. EWH
thanks Lizzie , its Dr Hook's answer that I copied and posted above that got me worried.
so in your opinion dr hooks could be a mis-statement which I understand can occur
so in your opinion dr hooks could be a mis-statement which I understand can occur
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Oct 09, 2007 10:54AM
There is no measurable risk of HIV transmission from fingering or any sort of hand-genital contact, regardless of healing cuts on the fingers.
Best wishes-- HHH, MD
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Dec 08, 2009 07:43PM
You already know what I'm going to say, as indicated by "I have read this is no risk on this site". Did you think I or Dr. Hook would change our minds for your particular question? Even if one can envision a theoretical risk from fingering, in the 30 years of the known worldwide HIV/AIDS epidemic, nobody is known to have been infected by hand-genital or hand-anal contact.
For more detailed discussions, enter "fingering" in this forum's search function and read through the nearly 1,000 threads that will show up.
Regards-- HHH, MD
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Feb 25, 2009 10:52AM
You asked a similar question in the HIV communty forum 2 years ago, and had a negative HIV test back then, and had an accurate reply about the zero-risk nature of the exposure. The reply is the same this time. Even with an HIV positive partner, nobody in the world ever caught HIV by fingering, regardless of nicks or cuts on the fingers; and the odds the stripper has HIV are low.
You could not have been infected and do not need HIV testing on account of this even. Unless, of course, you don't believe this reassurance and need the additional evidence of a negative test to help you sleep better. If so, have a test in a few weeks. (This is not "code" that means I really think there was some risk. There was none.)
Regards-- HHH, MD
by Edward W Hook, MD, Feb 11, 2010 07:29PM
Welcome to the Forum. You have nothing to worry about from this exposure. For starters, it is statistically unlikely that your partner had HIV. Most dancers and commercial sex workers do not. Furthermore, HIV is not spread through kissing, including french kissing. finally, your insertion of your finger into her anus, and her subsequent sucking on your finger is masturbation and /HIV is not spread by masturbation either. Thus you need not be concerned. As far as your specific questions are concerned:
1. No
2. No
3. There is no medical reason for you to seek HIV testing. If you cannot shake the idea and your concern, then a single test at 6-8 weeks following the events you describe will be negative and will prove that you did not get HIV (I already know that you did not).
4. Nope
Hope these responses are helpful to you. Take care. EWH
There is no measurable risk of HIV transmission from fingering or any sort of hand-genital contact, regardless of healing cuts on the fingers.
Best wishes-- HHH, MD
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Dec 08, 2009 07:43PM
You already know what I'm going to say, as indicated by "I have read this is no risk on this site". Did you think I or Dr. Hook would change our minds for your particular question? Even if one can envision a theoretical risk from fingering, in the 30 years of the known worldwide HIV/AIDS epidemic, nobody is known to have been infected by hand-genital or hand-anal contact.
For more detailed discussions, enter "fingering" in this forum's search function and read through the nearly 1,000 threads that will show up.
Regards-- HHH, MD
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., Feb 25, 2009 10:52AM
You asked a similar question in the HIV communty forum 2 years ago, and had a negative HIV test back then, and had an accurate reply about the zero-risk nature of the exposure. The reply is the same this time. Even with an HIV positive partner, nobody in the world ever caught HIV by fingering, regardless of nicks or cuts on the fingers; and the odds the stripper has HIV are low.
You could not have been infected and do not need HIV testing on account of this even. Unless, of course, you don't believe this reassurance and need the additional evidence of a negative test to help you sleep better. If so, have a test in a few weeks. (This is not "code" that means I really think there was some risk. There was none.)
Regards-- HHH, MD
by Edward W Hook, MD, Feb 11, 2010 07:29PM
Welcome to the Forum. You have nothing to worry about from this exposure. For starters, it is statistically unlikely that your partner had HIV. Most dancers and commercial sex workers do not. Furthermore, HIV is not spread through kissing, including french kissing. finally, your insertion of your finger into her anus, and her subsequent sucking on your finger is masturbation and /HIV is not spread by masturbation either. Thus you need not be concerned. As far as your specific questions are concerned:
1. No
2. No
3. There is no medical reason for you to seek HIV testing. If you cannot shake the idea and your concern, then a single test at 6-8 weeks following the events you describe will be negative and will prove that you did not get HIV (I already know that you did not).
4. Nope
Hope these responses are helpful to you. Take care. EWH
regarding anal fingering with precum...
as for your question, I have read the interchange you had with Teak and I agree with all he said including his first response - "No Risk". I am not aware of any time when Dr. Handsfield or I have stated that the sort of exposure you describe is "really risky" and if one of us did, it was a mis-statement. All of the activities that you describe fall into the categories of safe sex and masturbation, People do not get infected in this way despite the FACT that it is usual for genital secretions of all sorts to get on the participants. As far as our use at various times of terms like "theoretical" or negligible" or "miniscule" (I use that one a lot,) they are synonymous. No scientist can correctly tell you that something is 100% true or certain. DR HANSFIELD
Hypothetical and biologically implausible (because too few secretions can be transmitted on fingers and hands), and never known to have occurred DR HANSFIELD
as for your question, I have read the interchange you had with Teak and I agree with all he said including his first response - "No Risk". I am not aware of any time when Dr. Handsfield or I have stated that the sort of exposure you describe is "really risky" and if one of us did, it was a mis-statement. All of the activities that you describe fall into the categories of safe sex and masturbation, People do not get infected in this way despite the FACT that it is usual for genital secretions of all sorts to get on the participants. As far as our use at various times of terms like "theoretical" or negligible" or "miniscule" (I use that one a lot,) they are synonymous. No scientist can correctly tell you that something is 100% true or certain. DR HANSFIELD
Hypothetical and biologically implausible (because too few secretions can be transmitted on fingers and hands), and never known to have occurred DR HANSFIELD
thanks teak , any reason why Dr hook suggests testing after anal fingering when precum is present?
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