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saliva in the eye

I know I'm ignorant about many issues concerning the transmission of hiv but indulge into my fear for a moment
Some nights ago I sat in bar next to a african prostitute and during our talk I felt several times some spit landing in my eye(which I think is  not so unusual during close conversation).
I read on many sites that hiv in saliva isn't contagious while kissing but what about when it enters the fragile membranes of the eye?
I know its wrong to judge but the girl did belong to a high risk group so lets presume she was hiv positive,what are the changes of me contracting hiv by spit in my eye?

Many thanks and hoping for several responses
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Your question was answered. I have nothing more to say.
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Why irrelevant?I don't understand.
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Home > February 28, 2006 - Volume 20 - Issue 4 > Human bites: a rare risk factor for HIV transmission
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AIDS:
28 February 2006 - Volume 20 - Issue 4 - p 631-632
doi: 10.1097/01.aids.0000210621.13825.75
Correspondence
Human bites: a rare risk factor for HIV transmission
Bartholomew, Courtenay F; Jones, Avion M

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Article Outline
Author Information
The Medical Research Foundation of Trinidad and Tobago, 7 Queen's Park East, Port of Spain, Trinidad, West Indies.

Received 4 March, 2005

Accepted 4 May, 2005

In a paper published in 1993, Richman and Rickman [1] had concluded that 'transmission of HIV through human bites is biologically possible but remains epidemiologically insignificant, and as yet, not well documented' [2].
We report a case of a child, who at the age of 3 years was bitten on the middle finger of her left hand by her father in September 2000, causing bleeding at the site. He had multiple sex partners in the past and had a history of dental caries and bleeding gums for years. He was known to have diabetes. He was first discovered to be HIV-antibody positive in June 2004, 3 years after the bite. His CD4 cell count was 4 cells/μl. No viral load assay was done. He died on 17 September 2004.
The child's mother was HIV-antibody negative when tested in June 2004. Sexual intercourse had been infrequent over the past 7 years because he was impotent as a result of his diabetes. Recalling the incident of the bite, the young child was brought by the mother to the clinic of the Medical Research Centre, Port of Spain, Trinidad, for testing. Her HIV antibody assay was positive by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay and Western blot, her viral load was 20 909 copies/ml and her CD4 cell percentage was 23%. There was no history of sexual abuse or blood transfusion. The cause of the child's infection is believed to be a direct result of the bite from her father.
The first suggestion that the transmission of HIV by a human bite was biologically possible was in a paper by Wahn et al. [3] from Dusseldorf in 1986, who reported that a young child had died of AIDS at one year of age. There were no risk factors for the child's infection other than a bite on his forearm by his younger HIV-positive brother approximately 6 months before he died. It was suggested that the likely route of virus transmission was the bite from the seropositive younger brother.
In August 1987, there was a brief case report of a 26-year-old healthcare worker with no risk factors for HIV infection, who in early 1985 had a fight with her sister, an HIV-positive intravenous drugs abuser since 1980. During the fight, which caused bleeding in the mouth, she was bitten on the leg by her HIV-positive sister. Stored sera from the bitten sister was found to be HIV-antibody seronegative on 10 August 1983 (before the fight), but she was discovered to be seropositive on 12 January 1987. It was believed that the most likely route of her infection was the bite from her sister [4].
In 1996, Vidmar et al. [5] reported the case of a 47-year-old man, who, during late-stage HIV infection with a high HIV-RNA count, had a grand mal seizure in May 1995. A neighbour was bitten when placing his fingers in the man's mouth trying to prevent obstruction of his airway. The bite resulted in a small crack and a shallow wound on the left index fingernail. There was blood in the epileptic patient's saliva from a bite wound on his tongue as a result of the seizure. He died 13 days after the incident. Serum taken from the bitten man on the day of the incident was negative for HIV antibodies, p24 antigen and HIV RNA. However, he seroconverted 54 days after the incident.
Andreo et al. [6] in 2004 reported a case of an HIV-positive 31-year-old man who bit his mother on her hand during a seizure in November 1999. Blood was present in his mouth at the time of the bite, and the mother needed a suture in her hand. She was a 59-year-old widow who had had no sexual intercourse for the past 10 years. Forty days after the bite, she was found to be HIV positive by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay and Western blot. A sensitive/less sensitive immunoassay of the blood sample confirmed a recent infection with HIV [7].
Apart from the brief case report of 1987 [4], which gave no indication of the stage of infection of the source patient, all the other transmissions of HIV from human bites were from patients in late-stage disease [8,9].

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References
1. Richman KM, Rickman LS. The potential for transmission of human immundeficiency virus through human bites. J Acquir Immun Defic Syndr 1993; 6:402-406.
Cited Here...


2. Pretty IA, Anderson GS, Sweet DJ. Human bites and the risk of human immunodeficiency virus transmission. Am J Forensic Med Pathol 1999; 20:232-239.
Cited Here... | View Full Text | PubMed | CrossRef


3. Wahn V, Kramer HH, Voit T, Bruster HT, Scrampical B, Scheid A. Horizontal transmission of HIV infection between two siblings. Lancet 1986; ii:694.
Cited Here...


4. Anonymous. Transmission of HIV by human bite. Lancet 1987; ii:522.
Cited Here...


5. Vidmar L, Poljak M, Tomazic J, Seme K, Lavs I. Transmission of HIV-1 by human bite. Lancet 1996; 347:1762.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef


6. Andreo SM, Barra LA, Costa LJ, Sucupira MC, Souza E, Diaz RC. HIV type 1 transmission by human bite retroviruses. AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses 2004; 20:349-350.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef


7. Janssen RS, Satten GA, Stramer SL, Rawal BD, O'Brien TR, Weiblen BJ, et al. New testing strategy to detect early HIV-1 infection for use in incidence estimates and clinical and prevention purposes. JAMA 1998; 280:42-48.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef


8. Fox PC, Atkinson JC, Wolff A, Baum BJ, Yeates C. Salivary inhibition of HIV-1 infectivity: functional properties and distribution in men, women, and children. JADA 1989; 118:709-711.
Cited Here...


9. Tereskerz TM, Bentley M, Jagger J. Risk of HIV-1 infection after human bites. Lancet 1996; 348:1512.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef

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This article has been cited 4 time(s).

Collegium Antropologicum
HIV-infected children in Croatia - Medical care versus ethical and social issues
Kniewald, T; Tesovic, G; Bilic, V
Collegium Antropologicum, 30(): 121-130.




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Irrelevant.
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What about this examples;
Home > February 28, 2006 - Volume 20 - Issue 4 > Human bites: a rare risk factor for HIV transmission
Text sizing:A A A

AIDS:
28 February 2006 - Volume 20 - Issue 4 - p 631-632
doi: 10.1097/01.aids.0000210621.13825.75
Correspondence
Human bites: a rare risk factor for HIV transmission
Bartholomew, Courtenay F; Jones, Avion M

Free Access
Article Outline
Author Information
The Medical Research Foundation of Trinidad and Tobago, 7 Queen's Park East, Port of Spain, Trinidad, West Indies.

Received 4 March, 2005

Accepted 4 May, 2005

In a paper published in 1993, Richman and Rickman [1] had concluded that 'transmission of HIV through human bites is biologically possible but remains epidemiologically insignificant, and as yet, not well documented' [2].
We report a case of a child, who at the age of 3 years was bitten on the middle finger of her left hand by her father in September 2000, causing bleeding at the site. He had multiple sex partners in the past and had a history of dental caries and bleeding gums for years. He was known to have diabetes. He was first discovered to be HIV-antibody positive in June 2004, 3 years after the bite. His CD4 cell count was 4 cells/μl. No viral load assay was done. He died on 17 September 2004.
The child's mother was HIV-antibody negative when tested in June 2004. Sexual intercourse had been infrequent over the past 7 years because he was impotent as a result of his diabetes. Recalling the incident of the bite, the young child was brought by the mother to the clinic of the Medical Research Centre, Port of Spain, Trinidad, for testing. Her HIV antibody assay was positive by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay and Western blot, her viral load was 20 909 copies/ml and her CD4 cell percentage was 23%. There was no history of sexual abuse or blood transfusion. The cause of the child's infection is believed to be a direct result of the bite from her father.
The first suggestion that the transmission of HIV by a human bite was biologically possible was in a paper by Wahn et al. [3] from Dusseldorf in 1986, who reported that a young child had died of AIDS at one year of age. There were no risk factors for the child's infection other than a bite on his forearm by his younger HIV-positive brother approximately 6 months before he died. It was suggested that the likely route of virus transmission was the bite from the seropositive younger brother.
In August 1987, there was a brief case report of a 26-year-old healthcare worker with no risk factors for HIV infection, who in early 1985 had a fight with her sister, an HIV-positive intravenous drugs abuser since 1980. During the fight, which caused bleeding in the mouth, she was bitten on the leg by her HIV-positive sister. Stored sera from the bitten sister was found to be HIV-antibody seronegative on 10 August 1983 (before the fight), but she was discovered to be seropositive on 12 January 1987. It was believed that the most likely route of her infection was the bite from her sister [4].
In 1996, Vidmar et al. [5] reported the case of a 47-year-old man, who, during late-stage HIV infection with a high HIV-RNA count, had a grand mal seizure in May 1995. A neighbour was bitten when placing his fingers in the man's mouth trying to prevent obstruction of his airway. The bite resulted in a small crack and a shallow wound on the left index fingernail. There was blood in the epileptic patient's saliva from a bite wound on his tongue as a result of the seizure. He died 13 days after the incident. Serum taken from the bitten man on the day of the incident was negative for HIV antibodies, p24 antigen and HIV RNA. However, he seroconverted 54 days after the incident.
Andreo et al. [6] in 2004 reported a case of an HIV-positive 31-year-old man who bit his mother on her hand during a seizure in November 1999. Blood was present in his mouth at the time of the bite, and the mother needed a suture in her hand. She was a 59-year-old widow who had had no sexual intercourse for the past 10 years. Forty days after the bite, she was found to be HIV positive by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay and Western blot. A sensitive/less sensitive immunoassay of the blood sample confirmed a recent infection with HIV [7].
Apart from the brief case report of 1987 [4], which gave no indication of the stage of infection of the source patient, all the other transmissions of HIV from human bites were from patients in late-stage disease [8,9].

Back to Top | Article Outline
References
1. Richman KM, Rickman LS. The potential for transmission of human immundeficiency virus through human bites. J Acquir Immun Defic Syndr 1993; 6:402-406.
Cited Here...


2. Pretty IA, Anderson GS, Sweet DJ. Human bites and the risk of human immunodeficiency virus transmission. Am J Forensic Med Pathol 1999; 20:232-239.
Cited Here... | View Full Text | PubMed | CrossRef


3. Wahn V, Kramer HH, Voit T, Bruster HT, Scrampical B, Scheid A. Horizontal transmission of HIV infection between two siblings. Lancet 1986; ii:694.
Cited Here...


4. Anonymous. Transmission of HIV by human bite. Lancet 1987; ii:522.
Cited Here...


5. Vidmar L, Poljak M, Tomazic J, Seme K, Lavs I. Transmission of HIV-1 by human bite. Lancet 1996; 347:1762.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef


6. Andreo SM, Barra LA, Costa LJ, Sucupira MC, Souza E, Diaz RC. HIV type 1 transmission by human bite retroviruses. AIDS Res Hum Retroviruses 2004; 20:349-350.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef


7. Janssen RS, Satten GA, Stramer SL, Rawal BD, O'Brien TR, Weiblen BJ, et al. New testing strategy to detect early HIV-1 infection for use in incidence estimates and clinical and prevention purposes. JAMA 1998; 280:42-48.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef


8. Fox PC, Atkinson JC, Wolff A, Baum BJ, Yeates C. Salivary inhibition of HIV-1 infectivity: functional properties and distribution in men, women, and children. JADA 1989; 118:709-711.
Cited Here...


9. Tereskerz TM, Bentley M, Jagger J. Risk of HIV-1 infection after human bites. Lancet 1996; 348:1512.
Cited Here... | PubMed | CrossRef

Cited By:
This article has been cited 4 time(s).

Collegium Antropologicum
HIV-infected children in Croatia - Medical care versus ethical and social issues
Kniewald, T; Tesovic, G; Bilic, V
Collegium Antropologicum, 30(): 121-130.




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Saliva neutralizes the virus as you were told, even if blood is present. Your irrational obsession with HIV indicates a need for mental help.
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Why mental help?

I'm asking valid questions.Why can't saliva mixed with blood no cause hiv?

I began to worry when at 3 weeks after the kissing(me with damaged gums)
I began to experience nightsweats which  now almost 2 weeks after that incideint continues with a rare day in between when there is no nightsweating.I didn't feel sick(not tha much appetite after the 1 night of severe sweating.
And 3 weeks is the average time for seroconversion

Thank u and please an answer.

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Seek professional mental help for your HIV obsession/prostitute issues. Please direct any further questions to a mental health professional. This forum cannot help you further.
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I really don't want to be disrepectful,

I'm just asking about a real issue.I understand saliva is not contagious but what when mixed with blood,even small particles?
I'm not talking about just french kissing but french kissing with a gum damaged a bit on the inside.All that soft tissue inside the mouth can't be a transmission route for hiv?Certainly when there might be a bit of blood involved from a hiv positive person.Everybody constantly has some sort of small cut in their mouth and we can all bleed tiny,small particles.
Or bitemarks;Is it so stupid to ask if someone planted his tooth(teeth) in your chest(not deep I admit but enough to cause a small wound) can transmit hiv?Afterall the tooth(teeth) is planted directly inside the skin and this saliva together with some particles of blood.

I know that saliva is not contagious but I'm giving what happened with some blood(tiny yes but nevertheless blood) in the mix or damaged skin.





Thank u and please a reply
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Please,a reply from someone?
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Even mixed with tiny particles of blood?
And what about a small bite by teeth,teeth go straight into the skin so isnt that dangerous,hasn't there been reports on that?
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You have already been answered

Saliva is not infectious at all because of the many different proteins and enzymes it contains.It actually renders the hiv virus inactive and therefore unable to infect.Your safe.No risk and no testing required.
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Please,I do not want to irritate  the members but can u please give me an answer why that what I descriped is or isn't dangerous.

Thank u
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Thank u for the respons joggen but why do u say "not an hiv issue"?As I wrote,I did and do feel remorse but I swear my questions are real and do ask u for an answer about them.

Thank u
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Not an HIV issue. But I'm starting to see a pattern here. If associating with prostitutes repeatedly triggers HIV anxiety for you, then I suggest that you stop doing so.
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Vance,Lizzie,nursegirl,...?Please
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Again,I am so anxious,can I please have a comment
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Can I please have a comment
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Hello everyone,

I'm a married man who made a stupid mistake and is afraid he might have been infected and infected his wife.I know my fear is real and cannot be dismissed as just guilt towards my infidelity.Yes,there is guilt,ofcourse but it is nothing compared to the fact that not only  I might have infected myself but someone who is not the blame for my stupidity.
Since a day or 3 I began to have quite severe nightsweats and that is what made me panic and posting this.

About 3 weeks ago I made out with a transgender male prostitute(somewhere in a country with a high hiv prevelance amoung that group).
There was no anal (to afraid for that) and he gave me oral with condom.
My fear lies in the fact that the french kissing was passionate and from what I learned on this site saliva is not contagious but what worries me is that just a few hours prior to our making out I brushed my teeth and felt clearly a wound on my gum,It hurted when I brushed,not that I began to scream ofcourse but clearly there was a cut or abbrasion somewhere inside my mouth on my gum.

So what worries me is that his saliva mixed with small tiny particles of blood or some tiny particles of my blood or from the both of us with eachother.We did go on for some time.
Also he gave me a hickey in my neck, scratched me on the back with his nails and gave"love bites" on my chest which afterwards showed a very small but visible wound.

I know that outside of it's host hiv is unable to infect but the mouth,certainly with a wound,how small it might be is not really outside.It does has a large quantity of weak membranes.So the inside of the mouth mixed with,altough tiny particles of blood, cannot really be  the same as contact on the skin which is strong and in the open air can it?

So can I be infected from the hickey, the scratches,the small bites(with a small wound also there his saliva immediately entering my body,with or without particles of blood),or the deeply french kissing?

Thank u all and waiting for an answer



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No risk at all saliva is not infectious and this has been proven time and time again in scientific studies.  You do not need to worry about this.
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What is the opnion of the other member and to getitright77 and others;  what if their would have been tiny particles of blood in the saliva?

Hope for a respons
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Saliva is not infectious at all because of the many different proteins and enzymes it contains.It actually renders the hiv virus inactive and therefore unable to infect.Your safe.No risk and no testing required.
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