whoz telling the truth!!

[ray_ray]

both the expert doctors of this forum say that the risk of hiv transmission in asymptomatic herpes is high even when lesions are not present..However other expert doctors of other forum give another view..plzz check this out..whoz telling the truth?? this is so damn confusing..


http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Fatigue/Archive/Infected/Q139452.html]

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/Hepatitis/Q182474.html


This discussion is related to Genital Herpes and HIV transmission.

[ray_ray]

CDC usually gives a higher assessment of risk..it also says that its transmitted by kissing..now imagine urself..y wud they give such an estimate, they shud rather give 1 in 10..

[bbb777]

To your point ray_ray, I "think" the 1/1000 - ish #'s are even what the CDC uses and many consider that organiization to be very conservative in their views.  

[ray_ray]

mr aldog, who knows how many of these 23 percent already had stds and who knows how many unprotected and heavy encounters he had wid dem, after all he was a porno actor..this 1 in 1000 risk is based on many studies not just one..so plzz dont make everyone panicky by saying all this..what we r talking abt is an actual issue that has come our way with what the docs here have said..plzz keep it to the topic..

[aldog]

My searching leads me to one conclusion, Either you got it or you didnt !!   keep trying to rationalize a percentage of risk, but the fact remains, Test after a month or so and see! The Porno HIV SCARE OF 2006-7? The Actor whom had recently contracted HIV infected 3 of 13 of his partners since his unknown contraction date. 23% of the women he was with, most likeyly one-time interactions, no doubt Hot and Heavy, but one-time shots none the less!! So whatever Variables came into play, the risk with that particular man was 1 in 4,, far from 1-1000 for Vaginal and 1-500 for Anal.. The stats are an average. Some lucky people can no-doubt have sex exclusively with HIV-ridden partners and not catch it. Where as one healthy woman with no STD's to her knowledge, can get it with one round! Unfair huh?

[LIZZIE LOU]

then pay your money and  question the doctor yourself.

[ray_ray]

teak this talk isnt about a no risk issue, its more about the authenticity of an information given by the doctor

[Teak]

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[ray_ray]

teak cmon man we are discussing two opposite views that have actually come our way..we rnt sharing our persona lowl risks..and btw people i dont think it was a typo and even dr hunter has endorsed it in one of his threads and u got me right as this was precisely what i was referring to..moreover we need to get one thing cleared i.e. if hiv can be transferred  more efficiently to a person who is not having herpes outbreak or has no lesions or anything but just a dormant herpes virus..many of my friends have herpes without symptoms and even though they practice protected sex but then the base is not covered by condom..even many ppl might not know that they are affected by genital herpes and if this is true then are the still susceptible of getting HIV without open lesions..this is debatable as the post i sent of dr bob says otherwise and if this was true then many ppl who have herpes widout symptoms might be contracting hiv...this needs to be cleared..

[Teak]

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[bbb777]

Here's a link to a Dr Hunter thread on the topic:

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV-Prevention/Genital-Herpes-and-HIV-transmission/show/1142188

[bbb777]

I'm very much inclined to agree. I mean if it meant what it says (if it were not a typo) that issue would have to be much more prevalent in exposure risk responses from the Docs.  But I would still like to have the author (Dr Hook) respond.
Thanks for your help

[Vance2335]

Yeah it was a typo based on common sense.

[bbb777]

That's a pretty scary typo with major implications. You seem very certain that it was a typo but I wonder if it is possible to get Dr Hook to respond to this?  I mean, he posted it

[Vance2335]

Yes HIV was meant to be HSV..

[bbb777]

You can find thee original thread by searching the "HIV Prevention" expert forum with "HIV HSV Hook" and I believe the original thread was Dec 23 2007

if it means what it sounds like and ~20% of people have HSV then that would seem to change the HIV math. But I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding this or that there wasn't a typo. I mean I never see it mentioned when someone posts a concern re HIV risk when using a condom even though a condom can leave genital skin exposed

[bbb777]

I lifted the quote below out of a Dr Hook post and  posted it myself a while back to inquire if this meant what it sounds like and the responnse (not on the expert forum) was that HIV in not transmitted by skin to skin. Here's the Dr Hook quote:

"When persons with HIV have herpes outbreaks, there are increased amounts of virus present in the herpes lesions, making them more likely to be transmitted to others.  Transmission of HIV does certainly occur in persons who have otherwise intact appearing skin."

Maybe it was a typo (HIV should have been HSV?)

[Vance2335]

DR.HHH has never said that HIV is trasmitted from skin to skin contact and he never gives absolutes like you are saying..

[ray_ray]

u know what if u read over here dr hunter has said that if a person who has hiv and herpes transfers herpes through skin to skin contact, he also transfers hiv..this thing is bothering me sooo much man, i am getting panicky..and not just this they have said that even if you dont have any blisters or anything but u do have virus of hsv 2 hidden inside ur body, u can still have hiv...man this is so  strange, i am getting panicky...

[Vance2335]

Too many details to go into overall but the regular posters here do not give false advice. Advice given is taken from many things...education, personal experience, Dr's recommendations and scientific studies.

[JMoon83]

I agree man, that doesn't really make sense. The virus is transmitted by blood or semen entering some form of broken skin. Skin does not absorb the virus, and asymptomatic herpes is just that ... no symptoms, which is not broken skin.

I'm new to this site, but I've already heard people saying that HIV cannot be contracted via oral sex, which conflicts with the information on the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention website run by the Department of Health and Human services. I've also been told that HIV can be transmitted to a receptive partner without ejaculation. I'm finding the advice highly questionable.

However, I am not an expert, but until this can be explained I'm just going to apply the rule of common sense.

[Vance2335]

HIV is transmitted from unproteted sex...herpes or no herpes. Simple as that.

[ray_ray]

me too did it but i am shocked to hear this..how cud hiv be transmitted in a herpes patient whoz having no symptoms..

[Vance2335]

I trust the Dr's on this site more then Dr.Bob. But we do not comment on other websites and what they say.