Dear manatee,
You have come to the right place in regard to dealing with PVCs. There are hundreds of postings on this site from individuals like yourself. You can read through these and find assurance as well as suggestions for dealing with PVCs. Let me assure you that PVCs are benign and will not cause long-term harm. Painful PVCs may be due to the 'recovery beat' or the beat after the PVC because the heart has more time to fill with blood and the contraction is more forceful. Why some people perceive them as more painful than others is not known.
The lightheadedness is probably not due to PVCs but I am not sure what is causing it. You could mention it to your doctor on your next visit but I would not be too concerned about it.
I have felt the same thing during exercise (and I get mostly PACs). I have learned to ignore those nasty thumps, and for some dull reason, I am no longer aware of most of them...probably a question of setting your mind to accepting that an occassional thump while exercising means diddly squat.
The rush of adrenaline during exercise or sex can cause an extra flurry of skips, and lead to a feeling of lightheadedness (I have experienced this as well). The use of a beta blocker can help here, however, I understand these drugs also knock down performance both on and off the field.
I've experienced the some of the same symptoms.I have had pvc/pac since 1990, sometimes worse, sometimes better. You definately start to ignore many of them, otherwise you go crazy! I have suffered from panic attacks since they started,they also come and go. I do believe though, at times our symptoms can start to feel different. It seems to me when I finally can ignore one particular symptom, another seems to come out, or it comes out differently. I have had the lightheadness, I think it has happened to me when I have been stressed over a period of time, and without realizing that I have been, when it catches up to me, I am run-down and it hits. You seem like a strong person, and if you have been able to take some control over the symptoms you have now, no doubt this symptom you'll be able to deal with also....Feel well!!
wilson-wilson
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Yes Hank I am a "down to earth guy" and I hope to stay that way (here on Earth) for another 47 years! I really want to hear Willard Scott wish me happy birthday!!
p.s. [I said to my wife, "I'm gonna live to be a 100 and be shot by a jealous husband!"]
p.s.s. "Just call me 'Shecky' Wilson!"
But seriously folks...If I didn't use humor, [and most of the time 'self-deprecating' (for all the folks in Loma Linda, the term 'self-deprecating'-IS NOT- "nasty words") these things would've gotten the best of me long ago!
And as Jerry Lewis would say...."Hey Laaaaady"
"Waiter.....check please."
wilson-wilson
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PVC_PAC/
Come by, have a cup of Gaviscon {thought I was gonna say coffee dent-cha}, and a couple hits of Selenium, Magnesium, Potassium pills, and Omega3 Fish Oil caplets and tell us what's on your ectopic beating heart!
I only have a couple of rules:
No messages about, who's on Oprah
(you may, IF: Oprah's gonna tell America why her BILLION DOLLAR heart NEVER skips)
No messages about, grandma's bunions'
(you may, IF: her bunion's on her heart)
No messages about, Weather in FrostBiteFalls Minn.
(you may, IF: you can tell me what happened to BullWinkle in the last episode I missed and what he pulled outa his hat then)
No messages about, the last meeting of "NO-MAAM"
[Men Against Amazonian Masterhood]
(you may, IF: you can tell me what the meeting was about.......
'Cause I was putting REAL messages about our hearts in my Yahoo Group and couldn't make it!
wilson-wilson
if it is meant to slow the heart rate down, I would think that the thumb would be more noticeable? What am I missing about this product? is 25mg per day a good starting dose? My primary care physician suggested to give it a try at 25 mg... it seems to help but now a whole lot - would 50mg do the trick? Any suggestion would be grealty appreciated -
Paola
(1) slow the HR, placing a kind of upper limit to the HR
(2) lower BP
(3) block the beta-adrenergic receptors in the body, including the ones in the PV foci
So the net effect is a slower heart, lower BP and, in principle, if your skips are being generated by foci sensitive to adrenaline, they can make you less prone to skips caused by adrenaline surges. In my case, they worked fairly well to help avoid kicking in PAF due to PV foci when I exercised. I don't think that they will stop skips that are generated as a direct result of PV foci firing, since those foci are always firing. It's just that adrenaline can make them fire much stronger and cause more complicated arrhythmia to erupt.
The side effects of beta-blockers are primarily due to their inability to limit their action to heart tissue.
Of course, all the comments above are my opinions, and since I am not qualified to make medical opinions, should be entirely disregarded.
I've been diagnosed hypothyroid and have spent the last year getting my thyroid replacement medication tweaked and regulated -- to where I am finally feeling pretty good in that respect.
I've had a couple of episodes lately that have me got me a little rattled -- and I'm hoping someone can help ...
This had happened twice now:
On Monday, January 14th, in a nice hot bath (just ready to get out actually) - I had two or three real hard - kind of "clutching" heart beats in a row that were a little painful. It was the weirdest sensation - almost like something twisting or turning over in my chest -- and was centered on my chest directly between my breasts.
Really threw me for a loop and I nearly killed myself getting out of the water in case I had a heart attack and drown in there. [It's funny only in retrospect! ;). I was able to shrug it off fairly quickly that time, because there was no contintuation of any pain ... just those two or three odd, 'painful beats'- and that momentary weird sensation.
Then yesterday, it happened again ... shortly after I'd come from a hot bath again -- I had been out just long enough to get dressed and come out here to boot up the computer. This time it was only one hard, heavy - slightly painful beat - and that same weird clutching sensation - of something turning over in my chest. My anxiety level really soared with this second onset -- coz I could no longer tell myself that this was just a one time oddity ... nothing to worry about.
So now I'm full of questions:
1.) Do nice hot baths normally "bring on" or contribute to PVC's or PAC's?
2.) On Monday morning - January 14th -- I started adding 50 mcgs of Selenium to my morning regimen of supplements that I take with my thyroid replacement medication. (Cal-mag; Vit C; Vit E; CoEnzymeQ10). (Selenium is supposed to help convert T4 thyroid hormone in the body to more readily usable T3 thyroid hormone). Do you think the Selenium could be a cause of the PVC's?
3.) Are PVC's normally a bit painful? I asked that question on the Thyroid Forum and nearly everyone said they experienced frequent palpitations but not with pain. (I was SO glad to find this forum for that very reason). Again though -- the pain I experience only lasts for the duration of those odd beats -- though the anxiety that I'm left with tends to keep me hyper sensitive to my heart beat for a while afterwards.
4.) I've experienced palpitations before -- kind of a wonky feel to my heartbeat ... like a surge and then a pause ... and then kind of a jump in my chest and my heart either calms right down ... or it races for another few beats and then calms.
BUT - I've never had palpitations of any kind before that hurt even a little bit.
Oh ... I'm 47 yr old female - aside from the hypothryoid problem which took forever to figure out - and an age to regulate ... I'm in good health.
Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer
Nancy
http://www.healthwell.com/healthnotes/Concern/Cardiac_Arrhythmia.cfm
http://www.healthwell.com/healthnotes/Supp/Potassium.cfm
For about 3 weeks now I have been taking one (1) Selenium pill, one-half (1/2) Magnesium pill, two (2) Omega3 Fish Oil caplets-three (3) times a day, one-half (1/2) aspirin, one (1) Tbs Gaviscon upon rising, two (2) glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon in the late evening and two (2) Tbs Gaviscon just before retiring, and my PVCs/PACs have reduced by, at least, ninety-nine (99.0%) percent!
[The above reflects -MY- (wilson-wilson's) results, and may not
reflect the results anyone else may, or may not have, following the above statement]
wilson-wilson
ps. I musta been lacking in something from above [wine maybe<G>]. If it [pvcs/pacs] change of course I'LL let y'all know. But this is the first week in 2 years I've had only a couple "SMALL" blips!
What should I do folks. Now my cardiologists won't talk to me for seeking a second opinion. Is there something out there that will prevent PVC's and calm a person down. I have asthma and I believe Beta Blockers are out. I am taking Klonopin & Celexa which is not the best choice. Bottom line...........IS TAMBOCOR REALLY DANGEROUS?????????
Don
My problem is that about every three weeks I get what can only be described as a 'flutter' in the throat and a bit of a 'jump' in the area just above my waist. It is not painful but causes me to stop for a minute. Sometimes I look around thinking what can I do if I have a heart attack. I am going to go to the doctors but came across this site so thought I would post this question. If I am in the wrong area could someone please advise. Thank you.
Ablations (rf) are now commonly used to treat a wide variety of arrhythmias, particularly those with identifiable foci (overactive cardiac tissue which send out signals interfering with the normal pacemaker system). In the case of "benign" PACs and PVCs, the usual approach is to leave them alone, UNLESS, they really bother you (which translates to a question of risk vs benefit). I would judge that as a rule of thumb, if skips only occur occassionally, then forget it...however, if there are many skips (let's say 6+/min as an example), then a case might be made. Check carefully through the archives of this forum, and you will find at least several examples wherein the doctor has suggested an EP evaluation for ablation for people afflicted with "troublesome" PACs/PVCs...the reasons are probably that the Cleveland Clinic is one of many such clinics that simply has a lot of experience with the ablation procedure and can claim a better risk/benefit ratio.
Tambocor. It is an antiarrhythmic agent of the 1C class. It's primary effect is to decrease the intracardiac conduction in all parts of the heart with the greatest effect on the His-Purkinje system. It's primarily used to decrease the automaticity of cardiac tissue, and is applied mostly to cases of PSVT and PAF. It is not recommended for patients with milder forms of ventricular arrhythmia, eg, PVCs. Like other antiarrhythmics, it has some pro-arrhythmia activity as well... The biggest no-no with this drug, is that it should never be used in people who have had a myocardiac infarction since it increases their mortality, or in people with chronic AF since it increases the incidence of ventricular tachycardia or ventricular fibrillation.
It has some side effects, typically including dizziness and vision disturbances. It is not the cat's meow, nor is it the world's deadliest poison...it's just another antiarrhythmic drug.
I have used it with some success (at the lowest dose) to reduce the number of PACs (as recommended by my cardio). I discontinued it's use, because I was uncomfortable about the dependence upon a drug for the rest of my life for a condition that's bascially benign.
What I really want is just a drug that calmes my nerves. If I am nervous I tend to get some palpitations and pvc's. I am taking Klonopin & Celexa for anxiety and depression. Klonopin is addicting so that is no long term choice.
Does anyone have an idea for a drug to relax me like Tambocor did but is safe to you with asthma?? I have tried Toprol & Inderal in the past but they are beta blockers and usually have problems with asthma. Tambocor might be giving me trouble with my muscles now. Any ideas for a drug (not addicting)??
Well I hope I wasn't too long on the post but my hands just couldn't stop typing.
Don
to hear from those who have to share this terrible condition.
Why me huh? Well I am 28 years old and was diagnosed with Atrial fibrillation and PVC's. I have been terrified for the last year
unknowing of what was going on. Through GOD I've come to except my condition for what it is. I'm always interested in talking to people and learning new things. I've been under a great deal of
stress for the last two years. I've got 15% heart damage detected on a stress/echo test. I've been faced with family death,financial disaster, and seperation from my family do to
work. Me and my wife are happy now and i'm not going to let this destroy that. I have a wonderful little girl and one on the way. This is a terrible problem to have i know when i recorded my pvc's on the monitor there were pvc's every other minute for the whole length of my wearing the holter moniter.I felt all of them some really painful some not. Mya-fib attacks were so bad I almost had a strokes while driving myself 20 miles to the hospital. That was before I got on beta blockers "lopressor"
which is a very good and highly recommened drug if you fit the bill. I would really like to return to "normal" but for now we all have each other. Let's keep people informed here. We should be there for each other. I know it's hard but keep your head's up high and smile.Go enjoy things you use to take for grantit.
And maybe you'll see a new light.
Discuss this option with your cardio. It could change your life.